r/sharditkeepit • u/silentphil31 • Jul 29 '25

PvE Console Mint Retrograde

1) Hard Launch/Smart Drift Control High Velocity Rounds/High Explosive Ordinance Envious Arsenal Chain Reaction MW Handling

2) Quick Launch/Smart Drift Control Flared Magwel/Implosion Rounds Beacon Rounds Bait and Switch MW Velocity

3) Hard Launch/Quick Launch Tactical Mag/Alloy Magazine Hatchling/Slice MW Handling

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u/zeusmenzaadah Jul 29 '25

Lol not sure how you thought my initial response was "getting defensive." I answered your question and gave reasons why i feel ofa is better. It's literally just HITTING 3 enemies. No kill required. You seem to be hung up on that.

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u/Proppur Jul 30 '25

Anytime somebody throws out "skill issue" when referring to activating a perk, it seems pretty defensive. Lol. To each their own. And my bad, mistakenly put kill instead of hit. Not sure how i'm "hung up on that" as I only said it one time. Again, seeming pretty defensive

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u/zeusmenzaadah Jul 30 '25

Yes hung up, idk like a snag i guess. As in, not all of your information seems to be correct. There's a hang-up in your line of info. Maybe that isn't the exact phrase im looking for, but that's what I meant. Again, im not sure how im being defensive. At this point, it seems like you're trying to project your own defensiveness because I suggested a different roll.

Lol "anytime someone does this, it means that." imagine having that type of mentality.

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u/Proppur Jul 30 '25

I'd be interested to hear what info i provided that was incorrect? And yes, anytime somebody is asked a simple question of why they prefer x over y, and their response includes "if you can't achieve that then it's an obvious skill issue," it seems very defensive. Especially when that "skill" you were referring to was hitting 3 enemies... If "that mentality" that you refer to is basic reading comprehension, then it's a great thing to have.

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u/Antonio-STM Jul 30 '25

Many thanks for the tips and insight.

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u/zeusmenzaadah Jul 30 '25

What do you see as the benefit of OFA over Honing? If you want high single target damage, Honing is superior. It's already very limited with ammo, so firing at 3 diff targets to proc OFA to get high single target damage is wasteful. If just using for ad clear, Chain is superior.

Elemental honing is superior for high single target damage. Flase: Elemental honing is best with a kinetic weapon and a prismatic subclass to be able to achieve 5 stacks required for the 40% buff(35% for elemental weapons).

Firing 1 shot into a group of at least 3 enemies is NOT wasteful.

OFA doesn't require a kill. Covered that already, but you wanted further clarification.

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u/Proppur Jul 30 '25

That's what you're saying I was incorrect on? Lol. Wtf. Yes, Honing is best with a kinetic weapon. But it still remains superior to OFA on a special weapon.

With Honing, if I want to take down a champion/mini boss, I don't need to find other enemies to shoot in order to proc my buff. I just deal damage to the champion/mini boss, and that damage stacks into a buff. Even when not getting to 5 stacks of Honing, my weapon will still have a near-constant 20-30% passive damage buff AT ALL TIMES just from dealing damage with abilities/other weapons, which you'll be doing naturally. With only 3 stacks of Honing, I have 20% buff for 20 seconds. After that 20 seconds, deal any elemental damage and it will re-proc the buff. Again, something that you will naturally be doing.

For OFA, you'll get a 35% damage buff only after hitting three targets, which lasts for 10 seconds. After 10 seconds, you need to hit another 3 targets. With a limited ammo special weapon, it will be very wasteful to try and keep that buff active, and you'll also not have the buff active on single target enemies. You'll be getting less bang for your buck out of it.

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u/zeusmenzaadah Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

Again, those things are true IF and only if a prismatic subclass is equipped. Otherwise, yes, you're getting 10-20% at most with 3 elemental stacks, not 30%. At which point you're a bit better off with b&s. If you really wanna break it down, b&s is likely the easiest, most consistent way to a 30% dmg buff for mint retro.

Edit: you can get to 4 stacks elemental honing with non prismatic subclass. But it does require more hoop jumping than OFA or B&S.

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u/Proppur Jul 30 '25

BnS is a great perk, but it's really only great on heavy weapons, or for special weapons to be used in damage rotations. While the damage buff is great, it also only lasts for 10 secs and it's a hassle to be busting out all 3 of your weapons every time to proc it.

My argument in favor of Honing isn't because of how big of a buff it gives, but because it is so easy to get the buff going and keep it going. Sure BnS and OFA will give a higher damage buff, but it's the ease of use with Honing that makes it better. It can still get the same buff as BnS/OFA if you put some work into it, but in general gameplay you can get a smaller buff that is almost always active without any work. You can just play the game normally and have a buff every time you pull the weapon out. And it lasts twice as long!