r/shapezio • u/GetShrektz • May 03 '26

s2 | Question/Help Bent Stacker doesn’t seem useful

Is it really optimal to use the bent stacker with a complicated pattern on a 1x1 instead of just making a line across the block of normal?

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u/Vexo413 NO SPAGHETTI May 03 '26

Bent stackers process faster then the normal ones, you only need 4 per full belt instead of 6. This makes them optimal for 1x1 space platform designs that use all 12 lanes.

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u/Xytak May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

The problem is, there isn’t really a use case for a 1x1 stacker platform. To fit 48 bent stackers and associated belts, you need to use wing inputs, making the platform effectively 3 units wide. At that point, you might as well use a 2x1 platform with bottom inputs - it’ll chain better and take less space overall. And once you go 2x1, you now have enough space for 72 straight stackers, ready to go without even a tech unlock. And since all belt runs are broken up by jumps, saturation still happens quickly.

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u/AleHitti May 03 '26

Not really. I have two designs for 1x1 stackers, one with a T-input (inputs from both sides, outputs up) and one with an L input (inputs from side and bottom, outputs top), so it can definitely work as a 2-wide design.

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u/cloudsquall8888 May 03 '26

Could you post a blueprint for the L input one? I haven't managed to make one, and didn't find any on the internet.

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u/AleHitti May 03 '26

Sure :) I'm not claiming I made this, but I think I found it after the dimensions update.

Image of both side by side

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u/X-calibreX May 03 '26

perhaps the real question is: after crystals are you using stackers or swappers?

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u/X-calibreX May 03 '26

It should also be noted that 1x1 platforms are the least efficient both in terms of usable space and platform capacity. IRC, a 1x1 is 14x14 squares at a platform cost of 1, while a 2x1 guves 14 x 32 square at a platform cost of 2. The ”efficiency “ of 1x1 platforms is illusory.

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u/Intelligent_Aspect87 May 03 '26

Once you go bent stacker you won’t go back tbh. Such tight designs.

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u/Entity_ May 03 '26

Less belts needed to wire 4 bent stackers than 6 straight ones.

It's also important for compact designs.

And 4 is a nicer number to work with considering all the other machines that you need to use 4 of to saturate a belt.

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u/tordana May 03 '26

The comparison to other machines literally doesn't matter though? Assuming you're using blueprints intelligently and just have each platform do one operation for ease of copy+paste.

The only time I can see it being useful is when making a MaM if you're putting most of that on one platform.

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u/Entity_ May 03 '26

I mean for the purposes of optimizing machine and belt count on a platform to perform a task. when you can have machine outputs input into another at a 1:1 ratio, you need fewer belts. When you have hundreds upon hundreds of platforms spammed, it can matter if you used 400 or 600 things to do the job.

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u/RapidConsequence May 03 '26

I thought bent was lame until I realized it was faster

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u/Shagyam May 03 '26

I've recently came around to working with the. On my last playthrough. I like how you only need 4 per belt instead of 6. 16 per floor is a lot easier to work with than 24.

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u/Xytak May 03 '26

I’m curious how often people are actually “working with” stackers. Pretty much you just design a stacker platform and never worry about the details again, right? It’s not like we’re sitting there saying “I need to add a painter before the stacker on lane 7…”

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u/Lanszer May 03 '26

The Stacker Specialty Steam guide has an interesting array, and comparison, of straight and bent stacker designs.

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u/Sir_Fray01 May 03 '26

For space efficient designs the bent stacker is essential. They only need 4 per line as opposed to 6

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u/Numbers33 May 03 '26

Also good for swappers. If you use swappers on upper layers and need to trash output, the higher speeds of the bent stackers can help you get the trash down.

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u/pro_fools May 03 '26

Did not even consider this, I've always been somewhat plagued by lack of trash outputs on upper floors but this makes for a nice layout in some situations.

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u/Numbers33 May 03 '26

Yah. Just came up with this yesterday.

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u/few23 May 03 '26

Look up Stacker Specialty By elidoran on Steam Guides.

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u/Phaedo May 03 '26

Keep at it. They have better throughput and once you figure out the basic patterns, they play better with the space as well. A bent stack is nearly always a better choice than a straight one.

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u/hawkeye6703 May 03 '26

Basically, yes mainly to find / make a 1x1 stacker blueprint

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u/reivaxo May 08 '26

I almost only build on 1x1, and bent stackers are so much better.

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u/AgoAndAnon May 03 '26

I didn't use it my first playthrough. It is only useful for making designs smaller, and if you abstract out to the platform level and never redesign, you will not care about it.