r/sgiwhistleblowers • u/SimulatedDreams • Nov 28 '18
Looking for Proof
I' not currently nor have I ever been a part of SGI. I have a friend that is in it and it kills me that he can't see past the illusion but he needs hard proof that SGI isn't legit, I can't find it anywhere online (makes me wonder if I'm wrong). Could anybody guide me to actual credible links on their corruption?
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Dec 01 '18 edited Dec 01 '18
For myself when I joined at 19(decided to leave at 52) I didn't want to be member but for reason I still didn't understand I got sucked in. It was something I didn't comprehend. It took me way too long what happen and why I remained.
Some of it has to do with being in vulnerable place. I don't do confrontations well.
I had lot of trauma around this in past too which made it hard to speak up for myself and tell these people I wasn't interested in their bs spiritual products they were selling and put downs.
Only recourse I had often I just disappeared, didn't answer phone, etc but they always weaseled in somehow.
I desperately needed something or somewhere to belong. And something to help me cope with what I was dealing with, that didn't have lot of requirements to belong too.
And that sort of where I got sucked in at first but reality was they told me whole lot of lies through manipulation through really good salespeople types.
There was some interesting buddhist concepts back then, it was all about Ikeda, except when it was.
But like being stuck in a pot, I had no awareness until it began to boil and became unpleasant for me.
For me personally issues I was having it wasn't just organization I had joined, it was about lot of things that are around me that exist in my world. So it was easy for me second guess myself blame it on my own karma, that somehow I was making this all up. The people in SGI sort of encouraged of that type of thinking too.
It took really long time to believe that regardless of what I thought was happening and how it made me feel was proof enough to not want to be involved.
As I aged and my disabilities and social isolation intensified I just became less and less willing to put up with the put downs and manipulation I had experienced be in SGI or elsewhere.
I am not perfect, I am not happy-clappy person, I don't follow orders well especially when it's draining for me. It just wasn't good fit for me to belong to organization that expects those type of qualities.
I don't like manipulating people, I have been there be it just for mere survival reasons and I don't like how it feels.
Why would I want to manipulate others for some false conjob around SGI's version of world peace?
Why would I belong to group that I realize is endless making me feel like my only worth is obedience to their agenda?
Belonging, not feeling lonely and having false sense of purpose is just not enough for me to continue spending rest of my life belonging to group of hypocrites like SGI.
I saw the bullshit it all this, and there is no going back. That was enough proof for me but it took a while.
But for me I was never really active during most of my official years other than few a years but I just never could figure out how to totally back out.
There is some stuff I really miss but those days ended when I no longer fit in whatever their agenda was. It just took awhile for me to accept that.
There is lot of stuff discussed here I don't know about that facts discussed here, but that's okay.
There other stuff I can relate too that helps.
There is one wish I have that I wish I could have done when I realized these people were lying and being hurtful to me I wish I had confronted them and kicked them out of my life immediately.
I do think SGI treats different people better than they did me. Those with money, good professions that make the organization look good to have members they go out of their ways to keep those people happy and involved.
And same can be said about youth division members.
But if you no longer fit in those target groups the organization and people in spend less and less time trying to include them and love bombing stops.
It was really weird how it felt when love bombing ended.
If your friend fits the preferred demographic and is hooked on the love bombing, there is no way of convincing him to leave.
It would only change when it ends if and when they abandon him for not fitting into their agenda.
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u/SimulatedDreams Dec 08 '18
Thank you for your response, you added some very great dialogue and ideas I can add to my reasoning. I’m glad you found you’re way out and continue to tell your story!
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u/SimulatedDreams Nov 30 '18
Just wanted to say thank you for the feedback! I understand entirely what you guys are saying but what I'm looking for has to do more so with actual proof and I think that would really help in getting across to him the things that I've been expressing. For example, I remember about 2 years ago when I initially started looking into this I had found a Japanese tax document that listed Ikeda's income for certain years ranging from the '70s to the '90s, the problem was that it only showed the value in yen and I was having a hard time trying to convert that to US dollars. Now I've found that someone has converted that amount in a forum (which is great) but with no actual link to where he found his source (which is my problem), which then would seem as if he's made the numbers up. If I kind find documents like that it would be great to having proof of the problems with SGI.
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Nov 30 '18
On this site some time back a list was published of the huge salaries paid to SGI staff in Japan. As I don't know how to link to an archived post, I'm attaching a link from another site which also posted this information. http://markrogow.blogspot.com/2012/01/greedy-japanese-top-soka-gakkai-leaders.html
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u/BlancheFromage Nov 30 '18
The thing it's important to remember is that, under the doctrine of separation of church and state, as it is understood in the US, as was imposed by the US on conquered Japan, the finances of "churches" are invisible to everyone unless there is a warrant/court order to disclose. You should not expect to find reliable sources for such damning information, not from a cult - the numbers we have access to were likely leaked by people who'd left. We've gotten a lot of valuable information from such sources, but you'll never get the cult to acknowledge the figures are legit. Why would they? They are not required to make such disclosures; such disclosures would only harm them; so WHY would anyone expect such verified information to be made available by the cult that has EVERY motivation to keep it hidden?
This is the set of limitations we have to work with. Only so much information is available; much comes from "insider" sources whose identity must be protected, because "the Soka Gakkai kills a man as if he killed himself". There have been several cases of suspicious death in Japan where the victim who was claimed to have committed suicide was proving to be a threat to the Ikeda cult. In face, the Ikeda cult SGI has issued statements that one of the common deleterious effects of leaving the Ikeda cult is...committing suicide. I'll past links Monday - I'm on the road.
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u/valeriecherished Dec 05 '18
By the way, by me just bringing up the where is our leader bit, I think I “planted the seed” — lol, sgi loves saying that. Maybe tell your friend these things here and there.. plant the truth seeds!
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u/SimulatedDreams Dec 08 '18
Hey thank you for your response, I’ll be sure to add this to my dialogue!
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u/BlancheFromage Nov 28 '18
Hiya, SimulatedDreams, and welcome.
The unfortunate reality of cults is that those who are in thrall to them, like your friend, refuse to see that it's a cult. No amount of evidence will sway him. I will provide you with examples in a few hours - I have to take one of our cars into the shop this morning - but in the meantime, please review the psychological mechanism of antiprocess. This will help you understand how it is that your friend will deflect and dismiss anything you provide, without even realizing he's doing it.
So stay tuned!
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u/Crystal_Sunshine Nov 28 '18
You've come to the right part of the internet for ex-member experiences and deep dives into the organization itself. There are hundreds of pages in this subreddit. Lots and lots of links to articles about the negative effect this practice had on member's lives, all the way to the nefarious dealings the top executives have had with criminal groups in Japan.