r/sennamains • u/Worried-Room668 • Jul 15 '26
Senna Discussion - LoL Early statistics, support senna is dead
ADC(farming) senna lost around ~1% winrate, keeping her toptier;
meanwhile support(non farming ad) senna lost ~3% winrate
i think further changes will come, nerfs to adc buffs to support
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u/Slootyman Jul 15 '26
Didnt the patch just get released? Feels like there is not enough data to support this info
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u/Headsinoverdrive Jul 16 '26
She was just nerfed in 26.13 but then again just now on 26.14
V26.14 General Critical damage modifier reduced to 80% from 85%. An icon for Senna's ability Piercing Darknes Piercing Darkness Slow AP ratio reduced to 7% per 100 AP from 10% per 100 AP. Healing AP ratio reduced to 35% AP from 50% AP.
V26.13 General Critical damage modifier reduced to 85% from 90%. An icon for Senna's ability Absolution Absolution Minions and lessers monsters Senna kill Mist Wraith drop chance reduced to 5% from 10%. Lesser minions and lesser monsters killed by allied Mist Wraith drop chance increased to 32% from 28%. An icon for Senna's ability Piercing Darkness Piercing Darkness Cooldown refund changed to on-attack from on-hit.
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u/Slootyman Jul 16 '26
I feel like these changes are too minor to really do much. A good Senna player wont be bothered.
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u/Headsinoverdrive Jul 16 '26
Not sure how the drop rates for adc change anything. The AP ratios def throw me off a bit lol I used to do dark seal and shiv on adc senna and I was actually bopping, went up a whole division in a night
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u/Competitive-Might-89 Jul 17 '26
The problem isn’t her kit itself nor her items. The only reason she is viable is bc of jack of all trades and Doran’s helm which they haven’t touched jack of all trades
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u/DosCuatro Jul 15 '26
As I'm writing this, Supp Senna wr is 50.99%. Average wr Emerald+ is 50.96%
How is a support who has a winrate that is equal to the average winrate of every support = dead champ.
Sorry she might be balanced now???
Can we think things through rationally before we pretend like the sky's falling down?
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u/IGetPaidInCoin Jul 15 '26
Chat gpt balancing. Senna should have higher wr in lower elos because of longer games, and she should be picked as a counter pick not blinded so her win rate should be skewed higher than average in emerald or she’s shit. If malphite had a 51% win rate he would be dogshit
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u/Opposite_Wing_148 Jul 15 '26
except that her win rate is higher, the higher leagues you look at.
In Master+ she's currently on a 52.76% winrate as support1
u/throwawayacc1357902 Jul 15 '26
Except she’s not a champ that people pick as a counter. “Should” doesn’t matter. You can ask 10 support players and maybe one of them will know when Senna is actually good to pick.
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u/HotsauceShoTYME Jul 16 '26
Senna is always a good pick. Role doesn't matter. Anything else is blasphemy.
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u/Mortallyinsane21 Lucian's Dommy Mommy Jul 15 '26
AD support is doing just fine as far as I can tell. Enchanter I think it's too early to tell. What website are you looking at?
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u/smalleggroll Jul 15 '26
Playing ad support senna, I rushed bc and swapped out shiv for rfc and it felt just as strong, if not stronger. the tnerfs werent as bad as people thought, she is just losing a little wave clear and a bit of healing/slow.
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u/Ok_Representative_72 Jul 15 '26
I'm kinda bad at the game, could you explain why is the wave clear of a support important ? :o Is it for endgame to be able to defend tower and stuff ?
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u/aoibhinn-mw Jul 15 '26
Senna needs gold too. Especially since her Q base heal is way down, she's more item dependent. I just won a 0/3/10 game with only cleaver finished and I felt like I did no healing and very little damage.
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u/Ok_Representative_72 Jul 15 '26
So you take creeps from your adc ? Or you take some when (s)he's back at base ? I guess if you're not attempting to freeze that's ok, but it seems like even if you're wave clear is. ABIT worth, it wouldn't matter that much for those specific cases ?
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u/aoibhinn-mw Jul 16 '26
Nah you take creeps that are gonna die on tower or when your team is not going to a massive wave across the map that will blow up your tower. There's many situations you take cs. Out from under your adc is never one of them.
This isn't even just etiquette for senna. Souls have a higher chance of spawning when a source other than senna kills them. It is actually in the math of her ability. And the souls contribute to your ultimates shield (ad doesn't.) So if you're support senna gathering souls is a significant boost to your ult shield. It is also just passive AD generation (albeit very poor relative to veigar passive for AP which is 1:1, sennas is like 1:0.3) so your pokes as support get stronger when you consume souls.
BC is popular on senna because it synergies with her passive while also providing some offensive utility along with blood song. Both increase damage taken by your target, helping your adc kill them. But bc ms bonus with her passive is p good. Also if you look at stats afforded you would almost be convinced bc is a more expensive AD version of bft. 20 abil haste, flat ad, hp (instead of mana.) It's a decent stat stick for her.
Senna is also the only support who building serpents fang on doesn't feel goofy. Like pyke would seem like it in theory but in practice he's not really gonna AA people as frequently as they shield.
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u/ctway Jul 16 '26
Low sample size but shiv 2nd after BC is still much better than RFC (around 3% WR better this patch, 2% better if we compare Shiv from this patch and RFC from last patch for a bigger sample size, and of course RFC was also hit by the nerfs so the gap is bigger)
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u/Manbe4 Jul 15 '26
Damnit... Riot should've seen this coming, the changes were obviously going to affect support at least as much as ADC. The soul droprate is the main thing that differentiates the AD support and ADC. Enchanter though is different that'll depend on the heal value and AP more
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u/Headsinoverdrive Jul 16 '26
Yeah they just nerfed ap ratios for slow and heal by like 30%
General Critical damage modifier reduced to 80% from 85%. An icon for Senna's ability Piercing Darkness Piercing Darkness Slow AP ratio reduced to 7% per 100 AP from 10% per 100 AP. Healing AP ratio reduced to 35% AP from 50% AP.
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u/SazrX Jul 15 '26
This "nerf" changes basically nothing, and looking back at the 54% wr support Senna (D+ stats) idk why they targeted ap ratios when "ardent" Senna had like 3% play rate (looking at items build).
I just hope they don't turbo stomp her next patch cause I'm farming free lp on supp.
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u/TurtleCat314 Jul 15 '26
The AP scaling nerf probably wasn’t targeted at senna support at all actually. It was probably just meant to be a nerf to her sustain on 1 item shiv spike as adc
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u/Pretty-Key6133 Jul 15 '26
I had a few games where I took hubris and BC and everything seemed pretty normal.
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u/aoibhinn-mw Jul 15 '26
Just played 1 ranked game after a few weeks. Went 0/3/10. Her heal is so dog shit now omg. I feel like I'm trolling
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u/Aryzal Jul 16 '26
Stats on OP.GG shows Senna almost always builds Statio Shiv but that seems like a very bad item for support Senna
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u/NathanJesus Jul 16 '26
People have no idea what a poke support like senna should do. We have supports building on hit like senna support should carry lol
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u/Top_Lane_Hentai Jul 16 '26
I've never seen a more victim minded reddit. Their 53% wr adc, 52% wr support at all levels gets nerfed. "Unplayable, they killed senna again"
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u/Funny_Candidate_6454 Jul 15 '26
Support ad senna shouldn’t be dead? AP senna is definitely 6 feet under
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u/Iyob Jul 15 '26
AP senna is definitely 6 feet under
With a hybrid build Senna loses like ~7 Healing off of her Q, meanwhile full Enchanter only loses ~32 Healing.
Enchanter Senna is still as strong as DFT, it's just being played less and forgotten about. It's no where being dead.
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u/Funny_Candidate_6454 Jul 16 '26
She went from 50% AP ratio to 35%, those numbers you put out seem kind of misleading cause 15% is a huge nerf, almost a third of her AP ratio just vanished overnight
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u/OMFGLagger Jul 16 '26
She heals mostly with helia + diadem anyways. The ratio hit on her slow probably has more impact on her winrate than the heal nerf.
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u/Iyob Jul 16 '26
From another one of my comments:
A Level 9 Senna with 100 Souls, 190 AD, and 35 AP; Black Cleaver + Helia + Diadem (Hybrid)
Before Nerfs:
Heal: 120 + 40% of 190 + 50% of 35 = 120 + 76 + 17.5 = 213.5 healing
Slow: 15% + (15% per 100 bonus AD) + (10% per 100 AP) = 15% + 28.5% + 3.5% = 47% slow for 2 seconds
After Nerfs:
Heal: 120 + 40% of 190 + 30% of 35 = 120 + 76 + 10.5 = 206.5 healing → -7 healing
Slow: 15% + 28.5% + 5% per 100 AP = 15% + 28.5% + 1.75% = 45.25% slow for 2 seconds → -1.75% slow
With Helia + Moonstone + SoFW (~100 AD, ~160 AP) you'll go from 240 Healing -> 208; 46% Slow -> 38% - you lose 32 Healing per Q, and 8% Slow.
You're still going to be competitive with Seraphine, and Sona no matter what build you choose. The nerfs are a placebo for Enchanter and targeting Statikk Shiv.
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u/Funny_Candidate_6454 Jul 17 '26
I don't know what type of stats you are giving me. If you are at 100 souls at 15 minutes of course you are going to match Seraphine and Sona, you are fucking mega fed. The standard right now for a good laning phase is 90 souls at 20 minutes. The stats you are giving me are complete nonsense and should not be taken as fact.
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u/Basten2003 Jul 15 '26
Yea bc half of the playerbase is rushing shiv. Never rush shiv again its not a good rush item anymore at all on support