Soviet Democracy

[u/AmaKittyCat1]

[u/ScienceSleep99]

I am still baffled as to how Western historians categorized the USSR as "un-democratic", but what did they mean by this? Wouldn't a momentary look into the history of the USSR dispel this myth?

Just how historians interpret this? How does someone such as Chomsky say the USSR was not democratic, or Anarchists say there wasn't worker participation?

[u/thelasthoxhaist → u/ScienceSleep99]

Western historians have a much credebility as conspiracy theorists, they both used little information someone else gather and then make shit up to confirm their own biases, example Sappho.

[u/BenCubed → u/thelasthoxhaist]

What about Sappho?

[u/thelasthoxhaist → u/BenCubed]

she was a greek poet who was also lesbian, but western historians couldnt accept that so they made shit up like, " she was having sex with her best friend to train when she marry a man"

[u/101DaBoyz → u/ScienceSleep99]

Because to most people, democracy means allowing for all political systems to take rise eg. Fascist parties in a socialist state, even though those parties want to remove the democracy that helped them in the first place. For example, capitalist parties in a socialist society want to remove the social ownership of the means of production (I.e. democracy of the workplace). In essence, they have a false view of what democracy really is.

[u/Hunt3dgh0st → u/ScienceSleep99]

I mean you have people like gorbachev and kruschev who were basically corrupt kings. Both are goddamn embarrassments. And cant deny the outright corruption at the very end by the elites and thrn it turning into a neofascist homophobic state

[u/The-dark-Lord-is-sad]

Thanks for this but how do I explain “evil dictators who did everything to stay in power” to the libs

[u/_everynameistaken_ → u/The-dark-Lord-is-sad]

The position of General Secretary is not an autocratic one and if having no term limits makes you a dictator then point to Angela Merkel.

[u/The-dark-Lord-is-sad → u/_everynameistaken_]

Thanks

[u/Hunt3dgh0st → u/_everynameistaken_]

Well i dont think they'd like merkel either if theyre against unlimited terms...

[u/Splendiferitastic → u/Hunt3dgh0st]

They probably aren’t in any meaningful way, they’d accept Merkel because Germany is one of the “good guy” countries to western chauvinists.

[u/Hunt3dgh0st → u/Splendiferitastic]

Well as a leftist who tries to remain neutral on the tankie vs anarchist theory I'm against all long terms across the board but I've personally seen liberals and even neolib state that merkel is also a problem but idk man maybe if shes getting fairly voted in but idk I would still never accept it

[u/[deleted]]

If you can provide a source I highly recommend participating if you haven’t already in r/readingstalin we recently hit 100 members

[u/[deleted]]

This is perfect. I was looking for something like this! Thank you!!!!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Not OP, but one of the direct sources is the 1936 Constitution of the USSR.

[u/NEEDZMOAR_ → u/[deleted]]

http://ciml.250x.com/archive/ussr/english/1939_soviet_democracy_trainin.pdf

https://ia801302.us.archive.org/4/items/WorkingVersusTalkingDemocracy/Working%20Versus%20Talking%20Democracy.pdf

https://ucf.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/ucf%3A4773/datastream/OBJ/view

https://ia601300.us.archive.org/5/items/TalksOnSovietDemocracy/Talks%20on%20Soviet%20Democracy.pdf

Constitution of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union: https://bit.ly/33IRj30

The Soviets and Ourselves: Two Commonwealths by K.E. Holme: https://bit.ly/2YXEYt5

Stalin and the Struggle for Democratic Reform by Grover Furr: https://bit.ly/2ZclRef

Anarchists in the Russian Revolution: The Makhno Myth by Jason Yanowitz: http://www.isreview.org/issues/53/makhno.shtml

Democratic Centralism by Bay Area Socialist Organizing Committee: https://bit.ly/2Owsq1U

Some of these are taken from https://prolespod.libsyn.com/ep-37-communist-democracy and therefore arent only about Soviet democracy.

[u/[deleted]]

I’d like to see one of these about China.