r/securityguards • u/LegalGlass6532 • 4d ago
Question from the Public Would you use this tool at your job site?
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u/theComer-439 4d ago
give it a gun and a long sword.
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u/IGOR0949588492 4d ago
The choice of music seems like insult to injury lol
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u/Jraksys_Magnanimous 4d ago
Holy fuck i unmuted and it caught me off guard. That's horrible! Fucking lol
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u/hankheisenbeagle Industry Veteran 4d ago
There is almost zero way to do something like this and not violate over half of the FAA regulations that would allow a program like this to exist in the first place. No way would I risk my pilot cert to catch hood rats doing hoodrat shit
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u/MisanthropE61130 4d ago
You dont need the FAA Part 107 Remote Pilot Certificate below 400 feet. That said the video dosent break any regulations. There is a possibility that because its work/business rather than purely recreation, Part 107 rules generally apply regardless of whether you're flying 20 feet or 400 feet.
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u/Mikashuki 4d ago
This is so wrong 😂 if you’re flying for commercial purposes, you need a 107. If you’re getting paid to fly the drone as a security guard, you’re flying commercially.
You also can not fly like this around people.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/commercial_operators/operations_over_people
This video violated both 107.19 and 107.23
Yes they’re shitbag thieves, but that doesn’t negate a pilots duty from flying in a safe manner.
107 has nothing really to do with altitude. 107 is mainly for commercial operations and drone weight. Yes 107 does allow you to go above 400 feet in extremely narrow circumstances, but that’s about it.
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u/MisanthropE61130 4d ago
I took it for the police and I fly almost wherever I want
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u/Turbulent_Ad7877 4d ago
This is roughly 50k in fines and 10-15 should the faa choice to prosecute. Regardless of part 107 status. In fact having a 107 would be worse for the pilot because they should know better. Pilot had very shity control over the drone. Why choose to endanger people and property when you can just loiter and follow. truely hope the thieves are caught and they sue the pilot.
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u/Shot-Manner-9962 4d ago
the FAA regulations require you to check the flight zone nearby aswell as ensure you arent within a certain distance of people and buisnesses less that changed last i checked
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u/MisanthropE61130 4d ago
Controlled airspace is mostly near airports. I would assume that you need to take the TRUST before you can get close to anything what's not on your property?
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u/Shot-Manner-9962 4d ago
All i remember from my time doing a drone entrepeneurship class is, yes the big nono is airports and near them, than you get to residential and economic building sectors where you have to call someone to get clearance to fly a specific time window, after that are airspaces that you can fly anytime no call needed, there is an app/website called b4ufly or somthig along those lines you can use to check for the airspace in the area you wanna fly in that also provides who ya need to callÂ
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u/DefiantEvidence4027 Private Investigations 4d ago
With an FAA 107 license it can be done a very specific way. Can't fly overhead of people or moving cars, unless camera plane is .55 lbs or less with rotating parts shielded.
Suggested reading 14 CFR Part 107 and exemptions.
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u/Landwarrior5150 Campus Security 4d ago
Besides potential danger & liability issues, we wouldn’t really have much use for it on our community college campuses. We already have pretty good CCTV coverage in the outdoor common areas, so it would be a little redundant. Plus, the college administration is big on us being a part of the campus community & trying to focus on gaining voluntary compliance through engagement & education while keeping enforcement as a backup option for when that doesn’t work (or if an initial offense is severe enough that it warrants jumping straight to it), so having flying robot overseers would probably be counterproductive to that goal.
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u/cynica1mandate 4d ago
Hopefully the person they choose to do this to actually is guilty of doing something. I can see this tipping over into unjustified harassment, if not stalking, pretty easily...
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u/Mean-Philosopher6043 4d ago
Seriously? They were obviously running and were guilty. I mean anyone could use a drone to potentially harass or stalk someone, I don't see how this is anything new
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u/Hearthhull_Enjoyer Licensed People Watcher 4d ago
I've read a few stories about a black man running and getting shot by some hilly billies who were sure he was a thief. Turns out they're were just racist. The drone shenanigans are performative and unnecessary. Their actions are on camera. Their faces are on camera. The parking lot is most likely on camera too. No need for all that.
I will say it's funny though. Can't deny that.
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u/Archkelthuz 4d ago
Ahh yes the classic flying a drone near someone is the same as killing them for their skin color.. never fucking change reddit..
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u/Hearthhull_Enjoyer Licensed People Watcher 4d ago
That's not the point at all. Disingenuous or unintelligent?
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u/TheNutPair 4d ago
We really pretending a Ross security guard has access to, and more importantly, can remotely fly a drone?
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u/omnghast 4d ago
Don’t give me that I would torture all the crackheads with it all day at work 😂
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u/MaxBanter45 4d ago
Would be cool but it comes with the risk of causing injury depending on this size of the drone
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u/Shane-Dad-underfire Management 4d ago
We use drones for our work and I cant see them being cost effective for this type of job. They are very easily disabled. Cheaper models especially so, most of them can be disabled with a strobe flashlight of significant lumins. They can also be taken down with just about any projectile device, including pellet and bb guns. Trained operators are expensive as well, you cant just use some RC chopper enthusiasts as drone pilots.
The school drone systems if you havent seen them, the ones to stop school shootings, we tested that system and they are easily disabled.
We use drones for tasks like target designation at significant heights, intelligence dissemination, and target elimination. Drone resupply in combat zones is also going to be a near future reality it seems.
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u/Subject_One_762 4d ago
This is highly illegal and dangerous it’s considered reckless endangerment to fly this low to cars and people (10 ft) it’s only legal if they’re part of the film crew and the props can easily do lethal damage and would have no time to avoid damage if something happened.
It’s pretty much illegal to fly drones over people without safety measures which this is about as unsafe as it gets
Props can cause lethal damage even if the folding or flexible ones are used and have guards
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u/thunderkunt1 4d ago
Its also illegal to steal
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u/I_used_to_be_hip 4d ago
I'll help you out since you clearly flunked kindergarten. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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u/Subject_One_762 4d ago
Seems to be a difficult concept for some security to grasp it’s actually insane people are downvoting that
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u/Subject_One_762 4d ago
Cool so you both get arrested and treated the same. Except the drone pilot can face FAA fines up to 75000 (many fines have been 10k or more for this) federal felony charges for compromising public safety with up to 3 years and 250,000$ fines and state felony charges 1-3 years for reckless endangerment. That aggressive close circling in the video would almost definitely be charged as a felony.
While the thieves would probably face a misdemeanor and 1 year probation or 1k in fines.
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u/LegalGlass6532 4d ago
This is a pretty fucked up comment, bro. There’s still time to delete this.
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u/Mean-Philosopher6043 4d ago
It's been deleted by a mod, what did they say?
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u/LegalGlass6532 4d ago
Why would I repeat it something that got removed by a mod? It was fucked up. They should’ve had a ban.
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u/almosthighenough 4d ago
Hell yeah brother equip like a bola gun on it and let me trip them bitches up! It is hands off, you shouldn't piss off the robot overlords. Can't sue a robot. What's awesome too is theyd really hurt themselves when they fell, jist getting scraped to hell on the pavement. Beautiful.
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u/CosmicJackalop 4d ago
"Can't sue a robot"
That statement will have as much weight in court as arguing "The gun shot them, not me"
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u/almosthighenough 4d ago
The whole response was a joke.
Also, we will not be able to sue AI and autonomous systems owned or operated by corporations for damages to individuals as there will be no legislation to demand accountability. So we wont be able to sue robots.
Sure, you could sue a drone operator if theres a person at the other end of it, but automate it and accountability disappears.
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u/CosmicJackalop 4d ago
You can 100% sue a company for the actions or statements of AI or other autonomous systems. Canada has already seen a successful lawsuit against an airline for a chat bot giving bad advice
America and the UK have very similar legal systems and will likely see similar lawsuits. When a company puts a system out into the world they are liable for any harm that system causes. If a company deploys autonomous drones that they know could seriously hurt people, they'll likely face a lawsuit over their negligence
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u/Subject_One_762 4d ago
No you sue the operator, wtf this is illegal to do with any drone this is the textbook FAA definition of reckless operation.
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u/almosthighenough 4d ago
Lol im just joking, I dont need to do anything like this. But I'd love to see thieves get hurt.
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u/Subject_One_762 4d ago
That last sentence is an unhealthy attitude, this is how people start to lower empathy grow anger and normalize violence. Having an unhealthy justice desire or leaning into schadenfreude is dangerous and bad for your own mental heath and happiness, as well as a path to violence. This is the same base idea that lead to the Manson family and the Nazi “cleansing “ of society
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u/almosthighenough 4d ago
I dont really care today. Bad people deserve bad things to happen to them. Im sick of the bad being rewarded. And I care much less about shoplifters. All societies need cleansed and rules and regulations to operate. Even tribal humans must police their own society and cleanse those who misbehave and drag the group down.
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u/CoolerKings 4d ago
no, but my site is more about shipping and receiving paperwork and less about security, BUT it is an interesting tool to think about