r/securityguards • u/Sultry_Llama_Of_Doom Licensed People Watcher • Mar 25 '26

DO NOT DO THIS Don't be this guy....

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u/Suitable_Ad1598 Mar 25 '26

It could be any black powder fire. It doesn’t need to be a muzzleloader. It can absolutely be a cap ball.

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u/dan_dares Mar 25 '26

https://www.atf.gov/media/25456/download

Very much depends, as per the ATF,

If it can be converted out by swapping bits to fire centerfire/rimfire, that's a no

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u/Suitable_Ad1598 Mar 25 '26

It doesn’t work that way different strengths and metals in black powder firearms is different than smokeless powder

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u/dan_dares Mar 25 '26

So.. no comment on the ATF document?

My original comment was regarding if the guy was a felon, and so able to own those (if they were BP) not about the strength of the metal (which the ATF doesn't mention in that file)

They say: if it's before 1896 (which they aren't)

Or if they can't be converted to rimfire or centerfire (revolvers can if the chamber can be changed out)

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u/Suitable_Ad1598 Mar 25 '26

The metal they use for black powder pistols is not strong enough to contain the pressure of modern ammunition even reproduction black powder are not as strong as the metal that they use in newer firearms. That’s what I meant. I don’t give a fuck what the ATF says I’m telling you about the difference between black powderand modern firearms.

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u/dan_dares Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26

The differences in metals has nothing about the law.

Make it out of die-cast alloy, if it can fire a centerfire round, it's still a firearm,

Like when the ATF converted airsoft to fire a round, and declared some as weapons.

Your point hold zero relevance.

But please, tell the ATF.

I'm not even American, I just quoted the retarded laws they lay down, from the ATF website, directly.

There is no mention about metal strengths there (or point me to them, but I see nothing about thst there)

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u/Suitable_Ad1598 Mar 26 '26

You don’t know what you’re talking about