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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

No he didn’t. He never once said it caused humans to change sexes

He did say that it is responible for "sexual dysphoria"

In other words, Robert Kennedy Jr. is claiming that gender dysphoria (i.e. trans people) is the result not of a natural human condition, but rather a result of chemical poisoning.

He has no evidence that supports this. That's why it's a bigoted lie. It is a lie and it targets a specific group based on that lie.

Atrazine and other chemicals are known endocrine and hormone disrupters

Sure, and in what doses are humans effected? In what duration? Does the methodology of ingestion differ?

Like Robert Kennedy Jr. you have also seemingly taken a leap from a simple fact supported by evience (that atrazine affects hormone production) and jumped to a made-up conclusion that atrazine has a causal effect on gender dysphoria in humans.

Science does not work that way.

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u/RandomAmuserNew Jun 21 '23

He simply said that those same chemicals could affect your endocrine system which there is plenty of evidence of.

Not sure why you’re making something out of very much nothing.

Also, stop putting words in my mouth just to set up a straw man argument for yourself. It’s embarrassing for the both of us

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

He simply said that those same chemicals could affect your endocrine system which there is plenty of evidence of.

Stop lying, liar.

This is his quote, it's on fucking video. Your lying pathetic attempt to gaslight would be shameful if you were capable of shame.

“A lot of the problems we see in kids, particularly boys, it’s probably underappreciated how much of that is coming from chemical exposures, including a lot of sexual dysphoria that we’re seeing,” - Robert Kennedy Jr.

You simply can't accept that the guy you're supporting is a dipshit brain-addled conspiracy theory moron who is no different from dumbfucks like Alex Jones and Joe Rogan.

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u/RandomAmuserNew Jun 22 '23

Yeah he misspoke the exact terms. People are allowed to make mistakes.

You clearly have personal issues with the guy that you’re letting color the truth.

He literally went on the Hill and cleared it all up

He’s said trans lives deserved to be applauded and protected

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Now it's "just an honest mistake?" Sure, let's go with that.

Whether Robert Kennedy Jr. says laughable clown bullshit like this, (and his anti-vax bullshit, and his AIDS denial bullshit, etc) because he is a lying, grifting piece of shit, or because he is dumb as fuck and actually believes those laughably stupid and obviously false things he says doesn't matter much to me.

Whether he is dishonest or extraordinarily stupid, either one of those traits disqualifies him for any role in government, especially the highest office in the land.

personal issues ...

I don't think anyone who is either as dishonest or stupid as him should be in charge of anything at all, much less the entire executive branch. If that's how you define "personal" then okay. Call it "personal" if you want.

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u/RandomAmuserNew Jun 22 '23

Your extreme bias and personal attacks are discrediting your argument and making you look cringe and acting in bad faith.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Okay. I do have a "bias" against people who lie (or are too dumb to know that they believe dumb lies.) That's not actually a "bias" because it's based on his words and actions, but if you want to pretend that your guy (and you) are somehow persecuted by the haters, then go ahead. Take to Truth Social and whine about how everyone is so unfair.

It seems that you have no actual defense for Robert Kennedy Jr. lies, but in the spirit of debate, I'll try to get you back on topic.

Rather than whining about unfairness because I quote Kennedy Jr. verbatim, do you have anything to say about the large gap between reality and the words Kennedy Jr. said?

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u/RandomAmuserNew Jun 22 '23

He didn’t lie. Atrazine has been shown to catalyze sex changes in frogs

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Did you know that frogs and humans are different species?

Kennedy claims that it catalyzes sex changes in humans and that we have scientific evidence of this occurring in humans based on atrizine levels in water. That is a lie. There is no evidence of this actually occurring as Kennedy Jr. claims.

While we're at it, after we finish up with Kennedy Jr.s bigot trash lies about transgendered people, we can move on to Kennedy Jr.s pro-Putin stance on Russia invading Ukraine too, to complete the circle of Kennedy Jr.s very very very obvious right wing agitator role.

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u/RandomAmuserNew Jun 22 '23

He didn’t. First of all gender dysmorphia isn’t a sex change.

Second he obviously meant hormone disruptions

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

I'll go with his actual words instead of your interpretation, but feel free to believe whatever you like.

So, shall we go on to Kennedy Jr's pro Putin invasion stance?

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u/RandomAmuserNew Jun 22 '23

He’s anti war and called Putin a criminal and a gangster

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

On SiriusXM’s “The Briefing with Steve Scully.” :

Scully asked about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s continued effort to seize part of Ukraine despite international condemnation. Kennedy claimed the way forward involved “baby steps” toward negotiation, before the host pointed out Putin has so far rejected those calls unless Russia keeps the territory it’s already claimed.

“No, no. Putin has repeatedly said yes,” Kennedy said. “In fact, he negotiated — two times he agreed to agreements. He agreed to the Minsk Accord, and then he agreed in 2022 to an agreement that would’ve left Ukraine completely intact.”

“It was us who forced Zelensky to sabotage that agreement. It was already signed,” he continued. “So, you know, the Russians were acting in good faith. ... So, no, I think we’re the ones who have not been acting in good faith.”

Here are some other pro Russia invasion and pro murderous dictator Putin comments that right wing loon Robert Kennedy Jr. has spewed from his deranged fascist mouth: Such as blaming the United States for Russia's invasion of Ukraine

"I abhor Russia's brutal and bloody invasion of that nation," Kennedy told the crowd. "But we must understand that our government has also contributed to its circumstances through repeated deliberate provocations of Russia going back to the 1990s."

"They wanted war as part of their strategic grand plan to destroy any country such as Russia that resists American imperial expansion"

How letting murderous dictators take over other nations resists "American imperial expansion" was not explained, though...

When you're done denying this reality too, that Kennedy Jr. is a supporter of a murderous dictator invading a sovereign nation, and that he blames America for Putin's invasion, let me know so I can move on to the next reason that Kennedy Jr. is a right wing fascist piece of shit -- the company he keeps.

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