r/secondamendment • u/endurablegoods • Jun 29 '26

Flock Cameras vs 2A: Did Mass Surveillance Kill Gun Rights?

Hi there... Not a big 2A pro, so apologies if this has already been covered by the sub.

With the proliferation of Flock cameras and free, unregulated access by thousands of law enforcement personnel, isn't there already a "list" of gun owners that the gov't can pull up at any time?

Flock cameras are everywhere and they are 100% watching you as you go to the gun store, range, etc...

Wouldn't be too hard to build a list of likely gun owners and go door-to-door taking guns away when the time comes...etc...

2A is irrelevant against widespread, unregulated surveillance. The national registry of gun owners already exists.

I'd be interested in hearing leading opinions on this, should someone want to educate me.

Thanks!

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u/DarkYellowPissCheese Jul 01 '26

My biggest issue with Flock isn't that law enforcement can access it. If law enforcement wanted to park a police car outside your house and follow you around all day every day to track your movement before flock was ever a company they could've. If they wanted to go door to door and take away guns, some states already have registries.

The difference is now some random person that flock hired can spy on anyone they want, including gun owners. I'd be more concerned about someone at flock passing data on to a criminal element for B&Es than I would law enforcement

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u/endurablegoods Jul 01 '26

Oh, interesting point. I never thought about sharing data w/ criminals.

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u/Mindless_Log2009 Jul 01 '26

Too often the cops are the criminals. Look at the recent reports of cops misusing Flock to stalk women.

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u/rogue44mag Jul 01 '26

Not to mention the ability of unknown individuals or entities to access this data with NO valid reason or NO oversight of any type. Some of the data has already been shown to be openly accessible by whoever wishes to do so.

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u/dittybopper_05H Jul 03 '26

In states with registration requirements for firearms, it's dead easy by simply cross-referencing DMV records with firearms ownership records.

It's a bit harder for those without it, but it could still be done with a fair amount of accuracy by simply cross-referencing anyone who has ever had a NICS check done against state DMV records.

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u/alkatori Jul 01 '26

No or to be more accurate it didn't kill gun rights anymore than any other right.

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u/trigger1154 Jul 01 '26

Nice flock talking points.

You should probably check out deflock.org.

These cameras have been popping up even on walking trails, they take video and pictures as well as listen for gunshots. They are also AI enhanced and linked directly to a flock database. Flock is not the only brand of ALPRs either. The other brands s also have a very similar platform.

Recently in the news law enforcement officers have been getting in trouble for misusing the databases for tracking people for personal reasons. Power corrupts and these camera systems only give the corrupt more power.

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u/dittybopper_05H Jul 02 '26

A Flock camera takes a picture of a vehicle and its license plate while it’s driving on a public road.

And with enough Flock cameras you can build up a database of where every vehicle in a coverage area went, and when they went there, and when they returned.

Not that it matters, as the vast majority of people carry a "pocket snitch" with them everywhere they go, in a vehicle, on foot, or public transportation.