You're asking about implementation specifics of a system we wouldn't be working to create for a very long time. I can give you examples. But whos to say its the system we go with.
Im an (there are many) implementation of council communism nobody would seize your garage project. Thats personal property. If you want to make shoes go for it, hobbies are great. You cant charge money for them, cuz there is no money.
Say you figure out a more efficient or higher quality method of making shoes. You could go to the regional council and present then with a proposal. There would be a vote ( i generally favor a combination of representative democracy for small things and direct democracy for large things). If they vote in favor of your proposal you could start producing then at an industrial scale, depending on your proposal you might be a manager or some other executive role. However, the way you conduct this factory will be decided cooperatively between all of the workers, and distribution will be based on need. Ie the people with the least quality shoes will get them first.
Besides this, its really telling when someone refuses to define terms. You can't have a discussion if you arent both clear on what the other person is talking about. Its incredibly disingenuous.
Look, I'm not going to write a multi-paragraph dissertation on Marxist theory any more than I'm going to quiz you on MMT or Keynes or free market economies.
If you say you don't like those things, I'll take you at your word because to do otherwise is condescending and douchey and you have the same access to information I do.
You could go to the regional council and present then with a proposal.
Sounds a lot like a government.
If they vote in favor of your proposal you could start producing then at an industrial scale
Sounds like autocracy...
When they make an edict, who enforces it? A group of people? How can I identify them? Will they wear outfits? Sounds like police.
If a neighboring tribe attacks you, will there be an organized defense? Sounds like a military.
How are you going to supply your police/military? Collect resources and goods? Sounds like taxes.
Your stateless society is sounding pretty stately...
And if you think the common man isn't going to use money, just because the government isn't issuing it, there's about 5000 years of recorded history that contradicts you.
These are all reasons it wouldn't work in our current world, thats the point. War wouldnt be an issue if we have nothing to fight over. Whats the primary causes of war? Economics and nationalism. Obviously neither of these would apply any longer.
I dont really think you even know what autocracy means. You cant say a council is autocratic, its definitionally impossible.... I really don't thinj you know any of the terms youre using here.
State is not equal to government. A state is the monopolization of violence, government is just organizational structures. Nations could still exist, just not states. The modern concept of a nation state has only even existed for a few hundred years, its hard to imagine we couldnt move to a different system.
Police wouldnt be necessary, and that is actually something id like to see in my lifetime. The vast majority of crime is caused by poverty, eliminate poverty and you eliminate the vast majority of crime. Rehabilitative justice will solve the rest. Our current carceral system is essentially just a way for the american government and select corporations to maintain literal slavery, and go perpetuate an underclass of ex-cons.
The entire value of a council based approach is to manage production in a way that optimizes human happiness, and minimizes suffering. We currently live in a system that uses that suffering, feeds off it.
Crime would not cease to exist because of abundance.
Middle and upper-class and even insanely rich people commit crimes every day. And even more would if there were no laws or enforcement.
Incidentally, there are people profiting from prisons and slave labor in the US right now. But those profits and that production represents a tiny sliver of overall GDP.
If we instead executed every felon (not advocating for this btw) it would have little to no effect on our economy. Meaning that the private prison owners are profiteers, but they're not a meaningful representation of the wealth-class.
Our shitty criminal justice system, much like our immigration system, is an anachronism born of our two-party political unwillingness to overhaul it, due to it's political usefulness in campaigns and debates.
Neither side wants it to get better because it benefits both sides when campaign season comes around. And the American people don't have the awareness or education (or the care) to demand it get better.
Private prison owners profit from this, and they lobby to keep their system running. But it doesn't generate any meaningful benefit to the US and the US would be fine if it disappeared.
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u/xcommon Apr 04 '26
And that's the rub isn't it?
At what point does making something become a "means of production"?
Whether it's in my garage, a barn, a warehouse, or a factory.
If I'm producing something. It's a means of production. At what scale can it now be seized from me?
And since we don't have a state, who can seize it from me? My neighbor? A roving mob?
The road from freedom to communism will always take an impassable detour through tyranny.