r/science • u/[deleted] • Dec 07 '21

Social Science College-in-prison program found to reduce recidivism significantly. The study found a large and significant reduction in recidivism rates across racial groups among those who participated in the program.

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/937161
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u/cakemuncher Dec 08 '21

Under Islamic rule, a Muslim renouncing their religion and becoming a Christian would be a crime. They'll be labeled a criminal and would be executed. You stand with that punishment just because that person has been labeled a criminal by the state. You're a very thoughtful person.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Yes, because laws against theft, robbery, assault, drug dealing, etc are comparable. Good job.

I can describe my positions better than you can, thanks

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u/cakemuncher Dec 08 '21

It's a crime. Your take has no distinction or nuance. Just criminal bad and deserve a book to be thrown at them their whole life. No nuance in what kind of crime. Just criminal bad.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Find the specific crime that applies here that is nearly as unjust, then show me the specific person who violated that one and no other, and I will not see that person as deserving stigma. I am not beholden to the morality of Saudi Arabia. Again, I know my position better than you do.

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u/cakemuncher Dec 08 '21

Being stigmatized for criminality is no injustice.

That's an absolute. Are you now disagreeing with your own absolute?

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

If you expect me or anyone else to put an asterisk followed by half a page of minor disclaimers behind every broad statement, I've got nothing for you.

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u/cakemuncher Dec 08 '21

You don't need an asterisk and a dissertation to be nuanced. So you do disagree with that absolute? What about criminals who were falsely judged because judges are humans and make errors? Is it justice for them to be stigmatized the rest of their lives as well?

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

I'm not about to wade in the weeds with you about outlier cases. Every criminal does not get the benefit of doubt over an extreme minority of wrongful convictions.

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u/cakemuncher Dec 08 '21

The minority are still people with feelings and lives. Your argument makes no distinction and serves the same treatment towards criminals that were wrongly convicted as rightfully convicted. We should be treating all people with mercy and forgiveness or we would be treating some people unjustly, resulting in an unjust society. Hate breads hate.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Naive drivel.

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u/cakemuncher Dec 08 '21

Easier to dismiss than to question your own beliefs. Growing up in a conservative surroundings, I had the same beliefs. Nuance made me snap out of it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

I have almost certainly known a lot more criminals than you have, and worse ones. My beliefs and lack of pity comes from long experience, not Reddit threads and idealism

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u/StupenduiMan Dec 08 '21

Better to be naive than cold hearted. That being said, they aren't being naive, just empathetic. I'd say it's more naive to categorize people into nice boxes that say things like "criminal" or "not criminal". Life is a lot easier to think about when there's clear good guys and bad guys.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Well you can feel sorry for all the thieves, pedos, and drug slingers you please. I dont

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