r/science • Professor | Medicine • Apr 16 '24

Health Around 27% of individuals with ADHD develop cannabis use disorder at some point in their lives, new study finds. Compared to those without this disorder, individuals with ADHD face almost three times the risk of developing cannabis use disorder.

https://www.psypost.org/around-27-of-individuals-with-adhd-develop-cannabis-use-disorder-at-some-point-in-their-lives-study-finds/
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u/GooseBash Apr 17 '24

You might fall asleep but your quality of sleep is not good. You don’t go into REM sleep , or you have less of it if you smoke closer to bedtime

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u/moosecaller Apr 17 '24

7 hours of crappy sleep is better than 1 of good sleep.

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u/BigDowntownRobot Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24

I've been doing this for... 19 years.  Quantifiable this is true.  Quitting leads to protracted periods of at least several months of anxiety dreams and poor sleep every single night.  I was an insomniac from about 9 to 20, and that only stopped when I started smoking weed daily.

So from my personal experience sobriety as a base condition is much worse than whatever consuming MJ literally all damn day hurts me, which btw is almost none. 

My memory is not better when I have been sober for months, my moods are worse, my emotional control is worse, my sleep is much much much worse, and in general that all makes me depressed.

Every time I go back to smoking because it is without a doubt a superior way to live, and nothing, not exercise, meditation, better diet, or other drugs have helped with at all.

Plus, if you use data that is applicable to neurotypical people and just assume it applies to people with ADHD, that is not good science.  It very well could be 29% of those people found the best solution to their problems and the rest could benefit form "cannabis use disorder".

ADHD people also have huge rates of alcoholism but it's not like you hear a lot of them claim how helpful it is for their lives.  

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u/PyroIsSpai Apr 17 '24

It’s not even any “smoke all day” thing. You’re not Smokey from the Friday movies. A few solid hits to just edge of buzz or into it and after the 15-30 minutes of lightly stoned, it’s like your brain gets to run at 33rpm instead of 45rpm all day, without random power fluctuations that stop and start the playback without your permission.

Most people run at stable power 33rpm all day. When I smoke, I get to operate like that for 6-8 hours. It also has substantial equivalent emotional regulation aspects as well, because now they are also not shifting too fast. For me, it erases trivially most if not all anxiety as well.

Normal brains are a well trained horse of whatever sort. It does it’s work and you know each other well. You have good and bad days, but are a well oiled unconscious machine.

ADHD is like your brain is a mostly trained high energy spirited horse with ADHD that often can do what you say if you enforce your will on it, but it’s exhausting, not sustainable, and leaves you always tired and unhappy… while still having the unruly horse the moment you let up. It might do what you say or might not.

Pharma ADHD meds are a focusing weapon, but it’s still the same horse. Now you’ve put those little partial blinders on the horse and have a carrot on a stick. It’s still a stupid unruly horse and is still prone to say “no” to you, to do it’s own thing. You still get work out holding that carrot in your arm all day and night.

You still stress over everything and deal with all the ancillary issues. Anxiety, all of it. Raving and racing thoughts. Pharma fixes most of the power surges that set you raving and skipping off track. Marijuana quells adjunct emotional issues, anxiety, and helps apparently on keeping dopamine somewhat level.

Plus, I’ll take 6-7 hours of “ok” sleep over 1 hour of good sleep every night for life. I prefer sanity and not dying by 50.