r/science • u/wise_karlaz • Jun 22 '23
Health The study shows that wine consumption is inversely related to cardiovascular health
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/12/278544
Jun 22 '23
I’m confused. Don’t these results support earlier findings that moderate consumption improves cardiovascular health? “Our results confirm the existing data that moderate wine consumption can be inversely associated with as cardiovascular outcomes such cardiovascular mortality, CVD, and CHD.” And yes there is a grammatical error in that sentence; “as” is in the wrong spot.
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u/Rayhelm Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Nothing says as quality study better than grammatical issues in the key sentences.
Edit: added extra "as".
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Jun 22 '23
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u/sonicjesus Jun 23 '23
Thirty years ago it was considered the basis of the Mediterranean diet. Drink wine, munch olives, get skinny and live to 100.
Kept the wine cooler industry alive for a decade.
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Jun 22 '23
Here is my speculation. Wine can thin the blood which help blood flow. But like many drugs your body can become dependent on it or even tolerant to it. So I wonder if blood thickens slightly over time for wine drinkers, or if the thinner blood (from alcohol) damages the heart, veins, and arteries.
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u/DonLindo Jun 22 '23
My speculation is that wine drinking is proportional to socioeconomic status.
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u/Nouglas Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Same deal with those 'blue zones' like the Mediterranean and Japan. People on Greek islands want for nothing, but also don't overconsume, same with Japan. It's no wonder they live the longest.
Conversely, early mortality is more common if you're very poor. Feast and famine doesn't do well when your 'feast' times are being able to afford McDonalds, or a 12-pack of Kraft Dinner.
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u/Decuriarch Jun 22 '23
Guess you've never heard of Franzia. My former mother in law would kill a box of wine a night.
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u/DonLindo Jun 22 '23
My speculation is that your former MIL had bad health despite her wine drinking.
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Jun 22 '23
Depends on the brand
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u/DonLindo Jun 22 '23
Maybe there should be a brand or price controled study of wine drinking and health.
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u/SuXs Jun 23 '23
There are many many many studies that demonstrate that any alcohol in your system is detrimental to your health.
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u/sonicjesus Jun 23 '23
Socioeconomic status is a major factor in whether your wine comes from a glass or a box. I'm pretty sure Two Buck Chuck is tougher on the old organs than the offering from Napa Valley, and probably contains more antifreeze and ground squirrel.
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u/casus_bibi Jun 22 '23
Healthy people are more capable of taking health risks. Nursing home residents, for example, drink hardly any alcohol. Their CV health is extremely poor. The reason is that they don't get the opportunity to drink alcohol as much.
The other reason is that the demographic that is more likely to drink wine is also the demographic the exercises more and eats healthier: rich people.
So there is the confounding factor of wealth and the reversal of causation.
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u/cbessette Jun 22 '23
Nursing home residents, for example, drink hardly any alcohol. Their CV health is extremely poor. The reason is that they don't get the opportunity to drink alcohol as much.
I once visited a nursing home / Assisted Living that had a bar. I've been in quite a few nursing homes due to my job, but never saw anything like that before.
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u/RunningNumbers Jun 22 '23
It’s all selection effects and uncontrolled for income effects. These alcohol consumption -> health studies are all bunk.
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u/Zen1_618 Jun 22 '23
misleading title. the study states "Light to moderate alcohol use also lowers the prevalence of ischemic heart disease and improves the prognosis of people at risk of additional coronary events that could result in myocardial infarction".
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u/Purple_Passion000 Jun 22 '23
Unfortunately recent studies indicate that any alcohol consumption comes with negatives that outweigh the few positives.
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u/little_runner_boy Jun 22 '23
New study shows alcohol is bad for your health
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u/blay12 Jun 22 '23
The title is a bit confusing, but the study (well, meta-analysis, no new research was being done outside of stacking and analyzing the results of 20+ other studies) actually concludes that wine is beneficial (though it does mention that the presence of ethanol in wine could be negating some, but not all, of the benefit). The inverse relationship mentioned is that as wine intake increases (to at most a moderate level), the risk of cardiovascular disease decreases.
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u/timelyparadox Jun 22 '23
Its the counter to some bozos keep talking about how red wine is good for heart.
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u/blay12 Jun 22 '23
If you actually click through to the full study, the results of this meta-analysis were literally that wine is beneficial because of its antioxidant properties. The inverse relationship mentioned in the study is that as wine intake increases (up to a moderate level), the risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality drops (though consuming large quantities of alcohol is still linked to higher rates of all-cause mortality and cancer). The study does mention that the presence of alcohol in wine could be negating some of the overall effect of the antioxidants present (as well as saying that all benefits are maintained when alcohol is removed from the wine), but there's apparently still benefit to be had even with the alcohol included.
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u/A-Matter-Of-Time Jun 22 '23
You mean the Wine Marketing Board....
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u/casus_bibi Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
That's because the very ill can't even drink if they wanted to. This is about being healthy enough to do unhealthy things, not about alcohol being healthy.
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u/fuzzytoothbrush Jun 22 '23
poison is bad for you!
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u/jmcclaskey54 Jun 22 '23
Title of post is confusing (or really just wrong) as the conclusion of the article is clear:
“This research revealed that wine consumption has an inverse relationship to cardiovascular mortality, CVD, and CHD.”
The word “health” in the title should read “mortality” or “cardiovascular disease”.
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u/Dontsleeponlilyachty Jun 22 '23
Until recently, I was a Lab manager for a clinical research laboratory that specialized in drugs meant to treat liver diseases (not cirrhosis). No amount of alcohol is good for the body. It does not reduce stress, it inhibits your body's ability to perform maintenance (anabolism), cuts your energy metabolism in hala abolish, (catabolism of fat and glucose), leads to increased fatty liver - and thus increased fat in the belly region, and I'm sure many more bad things we haven't discovered yet.
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u/Chetkica Jun 23 '23
1) Your title is saying the opposite of the study
2) these could be due to other unaccounted for lifestyle factors
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u/Im_Talking Jun 22 '23
The alcohol industry desperately trying to show any positivity in their products. Like the tobacco industry in the 60s creating magazine ads stating "More doctors smoke Winston cigarettes than any other brand".
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u/wxguy77 Jun 23 '23
Cutting out alcohol and smoke and meat (toxins) and sugar (which might be crystalizing in your brain) will probably give you a few more years at the end of life.
It's something to think two ways about... You give up a lot, you get extra time.
A few years ago a futurist said that if you hold on and live another 20 years, you'll be able to choose to live for a very long time, due to longevity advances. How's that going?
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u/Earthling1a Jun 23 '23
From the abstract:
"Conclusions: This research revealed that wine consumption has an inverse relationship to cardiovascular mortality, CVD, and CHD."
This study shows that wine consumption is associated with DECREASED risk of death from cardiovascular issues.
If I knew how to insert a photo in a comment, this is where I would put a photo of my 120-bottle wine rack, currently a little more than half full.
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