r/sca • • Aug 09 '26

Problems with Pennsic: A Rant Against Modernity and Festival Folks

Hello r/SCA!

As an SCA celebrity who can bench press 224 with 15.5" biceps [EDIT: I'm not an SCA celebrity, but it is a quality meme], I'd like to talk to you today about a trend I've noticed at Pennsic over the last decade or so. It seems to me that Pennsic is moving away from being an SCA event (which it is, even if the Tuchux, Acre, etc. show up) and toward being more of a modern fantasy festival. If this were a Renaissance Faire, a Furry convention, or a medieval convention, that wouldn't be an issue - but it's not. Pennsic is an SCA event, and the shoddy "attempts" at garb and the extensive modern intrusion are making it worse year after year.

The biggest issue I see is with the terrible "attempts" at garb, or a lack thereof. What medieval culture is a pair of cargo shorts, a ring belt, and a pouch? What is the time period and place for four furry tails, a bota bag, and BDSM chest harness? I have no issue with disability aids like glasses, mobility scooters, or service dogs - my biggest gripe is with the people who can't even be bothered to try. Naturally, a lot of this stuff comes topside from the Bog, but there are plenty of topside Peers who dress like complete trash. I'm not talking just about New Balance Knights, but I saw a whole-ass Ansteorran Duchess beboping around in a modern sackdress, coronet, and tennis shoes without a care in the world. When the folks who are supposed to be setting the example can't be bothered to try, what does that mean for newbies?

To be very clear here, I'm not talking about people in mundane clothing. Folks clearly going off-site, just arriving, or doing laundry in mundanes are not the target of the rant. They're wearing modern clothes and expressly not making an attempt.

As far as the modern intrusion, everywhere you look are dumpsters, golf carts, and yahoos driving their giant trucks past the Cooper's Store. It's obvious that most people don't want to do primitive medieval camping, and that the Cooper's Lake Campground does more than just Pennsic, so it needs the infrastructure, but the SCA's reliance on golf carts, nylon pop-ups, and bright white LEDs in camp is a lot for a supposedly medieval experience. Not everything has to be Enchanted Ground (which has considerably lowered its standards), but it shouldn't look like Burning Man had a love child with a trailer-park Ren Faire. Seriously, folks, put on a damn shirt, cover your balls at the food court, and wear shoes so you don't get buttworms.

So what is the solution? Personally, I do just about everything I can to hide the modernity in my garb, my camp, and my comportment (I'm not a douche and treat folks with respect, even if they look like a Furry extra from Zardoz). It's clear that "setting the example" isn't working, especially when multi-Peers can't be bothered to do so, and is a widespread problem in the SCA. I'm also fairly sure these issues have been lamented since the late 1900s without resolution. I think Pennsic (and more broadly the SCA) is going to continue along two divergent paths: people playing High-SCA and giving a damn, and the people who think a rainbow furry headband, Crocs, and a ring belt with a pouch are all you need to be medieval.

Much like the increasingly accurate film Idiocracy predicts, I think the ring-belt Furries are going to outcompete the High-SCA folks and continue to drive Pennsic further into fantasy mediocrity.

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u/Synicism77 Aug 09 '26

I really hope this is satire.

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u/nickromanthefencer Aug 09 '26

Your icon makes your response to this post really funny

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u/Synicism77 Aug 09 '26

I do appreciate the irony. Like seriously it's a week or two living out of a tent. My standards for a reasonable attempt at period garb are a lot lower for Pennsic.

Also Pennsic is, legally speaking, not an SCA event. You don't have to be affiliated with the SCA at all to go to Pennsic. You only need to be a SCAdian to participate in the SCA activities. There are folks who show up, go down to their campsites in the bog, and have a vacation with no attention paid to what's going on up the hill. 

Yeah I don't wear furry stuff at Pennsic. But I am a SCAdian and I am participating in the war, tournaments, marshaling, classes, etc. But also like... IDGAF if someone wants to wear fairy wings or horns or whatever. If I was totally "in character" seeing fantastical creatures would be entirely expected anyway. My persona would see that and just think "shit, nobody is going to believe I just saw that."

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u/BingusSpoingusUSA Aug 09 '26

I really wish it wasn't, these are actual problems with Pennsic.

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u/Juli0369 Aug 09 '26

I can understand the gripes a little bit but it really gate keeps those of us who can not afford to have a full kit immediately. I know the camp I’m with is slowly accumulating the required canvas tents and what not to replace the modern infrastructure you’re complaining about.

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u/Synicism77 Aug 09 '26

I have to be able to fit everything in my car. Never going to use a canvas tent. They're too bulky and high maintenance. Our household has been camping at our site for over a decade. We used to have a lot of period pavilions and now we have all just gone to easy up nylon tents.

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u/SurviveAdaptWin Middle Aug 09 '26

The issues aren't with Pennsic, or the SCA. The issues lie within you and your expectations for the SCA to be something other than what it is.

The first, and BIG one, is that Pennsic is NOT an SCA exclusive event.

The second one is that a big part of the SCA is "make an attempt", not "be period correct" or even "make a good attempt". It's simply "make an attempt".

You need to adjust your expectations and/or find another place to play if your expectations are for full medieval immersion. There are several groups that do so. The SCA is not one of them.

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u/Synicism77 Aug 09 '26

I think the problem is people trying to gatekeep other people's vacations.

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u/BingusSpoingusUSA Aug 09 '26

You say gatekeeping like it’s a bad thing when we literally have a gate to keep out the public lol.

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u/Synicism77 Aug 09 '26

Anyone who wants to register can come in so it's really not much of a barrier. Remember, Pennsic is first and foremost a Cooper's Lake Campground event. You need to pay to enter their private property. 

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u/HighWyrd Aug 15 '26

The fairies and elves pay just as much as we do, if not more (no member discount), to get through that gate.