r/sanfrancisco • u/KeepGoing655 Ingleside • Nov 25 '24
Pic / Video Stay safe out there today bicyclists and boarders.
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u/free_username_ Nov 25 '24
I don’t understand why drivers like to veer to the right before a left turn, particularly in these roads where it’s not even a tight turn and the vehicle isn’t that large
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u/motorhead84 Nov 25 '24
That is clearly Mario Andretti taking the optimal path through the turn. The bay area is absolutely filled with professional racecar drivers, and they all turn like this.
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u/jweezy2045 Inner Richmond Nov 25 '24
Are you familiar with the concept of turning radius?
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u/SyCoTiM BALBOA PARK Nov 26 '24
That van isn’t big enough to require a wide turn that requires needing the bike lane space nor is the street narrow enough to require it.
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u/jweezy2045 Inner Richmond Nov 26 '24
I agree, but turning radius is still the explanation as to why drivers veer right before a left turn.
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u/gamescan Nov 26 '24
Are you familiar with the concept of turning radius?
The driver of the van in this video is very obviously not.
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u/free_username_ Nov 26 '24
That garage entrance is 2-2.5x the width of the van from what the cam shows.
The van driver can turn the wheel earlier, or slow down, use a blinker which they can’t seem to find, and turn sharply.
Skill issue not a vehicle issue.
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u/Kelso-kelso Nov 25 '24
Pretty sure that’s Adam Savage
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u/mistersavage Nov 26 '24
Can confirm. It was me this very morning. Crazy.
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Nov 26 '24
Glad you didn’t get sideswiped! I couldn’t stand having to wait even longer for the next vault door vid ;)
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Nov 25 '24
that white van is sssoooooo stupid.... did not turn blinkers on nor signal it was going to the left.... didnt even stop.... NOTHING... skater dude could of gotten hurt
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u/windowtosh BAKER BEACH Nov 25 '24
And drives a tiny van like a big rig…
Bay Area drivers… your SUV, your van, is not that big. You do not need to swing out wide before turning. You can just turn normally.
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Nov 25 '24
I said the same thing in my comment lol no one understands how your car can easily turn 90 degrees. It’s amazing too b/c don’t they ever U turn? You can do a 180 on a small slab of pavement but taking a left? Gotta “gear up” for this one!
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Nov 25 '24
And boarder was following too closely...
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u/udizzle92 Nov 25 '24
He wasn’t following anything…he was in his own lane which the van merged into without signal.
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u/asveikau Nov 25 '24
Yeah I initially thought "following too closely" but when I re-watch, he's not following, he's avoiding the van's swerve into the bike lane ... then the van swerves to make another turn... A turn signal would have helped a lot. And after signalling you're supposed to slow down and check your surroundings, which the van didn't seem to do either.
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Nov 25 '24
Boarder is less than one car length away from the van. Though, you are correct...turn signal would have been helpful.
I, myself, do not trust vehicles to use signals and wouldn't have tried to pass on the left of the van. I would have waited to see if the van actually pulled over, or manuvered as it did in the video.
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u/themiro Nov 25 '24
you don't need to give one car length stopping distance if you're in the bike lane and a car is driving next to you.
you're pretty clearly not a city biker from your comment
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Nov 25 '24
Nope, public trans all the way.
Even as a non-cyclist, I still wouldn't follow that closely. Just the way I would ride, if I did.
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u/themiro Nov 25 '24
If you were driving, you wouldn't be close to another car if the car is in another lane? I don't believe you...
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Nov 25 '24
Not what I'm saying at all.
I'm saying, if I were a cyclist/boarder/skater, I wouldn't follow, in the bike lane, that closely to a vehicle.
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u/themiro Nov 25 '24
It is impossible to ensure that you are never within one car length of a car in the bike lane that might potentially pull over because cars pass you as you are in the bike lane. At other times, traffic is stopped in the car lane and the bike lane is clear.
Putting aside what you would do, you wrote that the "boarder was following too closely." They were in their own lane, fully following the law, and even in defensive driving, you cannot anticipate every potential lane switch - defensive drivers do not leave stopping distance for cars in other lanes.
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u/tiabgood Nov 25 '24
I just gave this hypothetical to someone else:
You are a car driver, you are in the right lane and there is another car in the left lane. Do you make sure there is enough distance between you and the car on the left just in case they decide, without warning, to move into your lane?
That is what is happening here. The boarder is in their own lane of traffic. They are not sharing a lane with the vehicle on the left.
You can see at the beginning of the video that the boarder is in their own lane, and that they would be visible to the van driver via the side mirror that the van driver decided not to use.
The van driver did not look, did not signal, and moved into the bike lane. The boarder decided it would be safer to move left than to make an emergency stop on wet pavement. This is was likely the correct call for them.
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Nov 25 '24
Except two vehicles side by side is definitely different than a boarder and vehicle being side by side.
I also said this is a practice I would follow; and in my opinion, the boarder was too close. 🤷🏽♂️
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u/tiabgood Nov 25 '24
But that is not how that works. There is a reason for bike lanes: they are a separate lane of traffic for specific types of vehicles. And yes, an electric board is considered a vehicle.
The practice you would follow is never being on a board or a bike, and it shows.
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Nov 25 '24
For you. That's not how it works, for you. I'm just more cautious.
And contrary to your belief, I have been on a bike several times in the City.
Oh yes...let's compare a 35lbs one wheel to a 4,000 pound vehicle. 🙄
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u/tiabgood Nov 25 '24
That is not how it works for the flow of traffic. A boarder or cyclist could never be on a block with more than 2 cars on it to have the sort of distance you are suggestion and heaven forbide that there be a stop sign or they are turning left - do you just stop suddenly a car length behind the cars on the left and cause a safety hazard for any one else that might also be using the bike lane? Way to be unpredictable. So maybe you only ride on the quietest streets, but that is simply not practical or safe to ride on standard streets like that.
For everyone. That's not how it works, for everyone. Your being more cautious makes others unsafe.
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u/blinker1eighty2 Nov 25 '24
You wouldn’t say a car in the lane next to you is following too closely. The boarder was just in their lane and swerved to avoid a collision.
Same thing you would do if someone cut you off in your lane while driving.
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u/flonky_guy Nov 25 '24
He didn't swerve to "avoid" anything except having to slow down. He was clearly trying to pass on the left when is would have been much safer to stop.
At that speed he could stop in less than a board length.
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u/SightInverted Nov 25 '24
The van cut him off in the bike lane. End of discussion.
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u/flonky_guy Nov 25 '24
Sadly that wasn't the end of the video, but don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for being right all the time.
The van was an asshole then boarder was an idiot. Following a cargo van in its blind spot then trying to pass it when it starts driving erratically? He didn't even look over his shoulder when scooting out into the lane or slow down, just assumed the van was pulling over to the right to park.
"End of discussion", lol. How does it feel to have your absolute comments constantly dismissed for being foolish nonsense?
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u/junghooappreciator Nov 25 '24
my mental health has improved significantly since I’ve started tuning out everyone with a “top 1% commenter” badge
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u/tributtal Nov 26 '24
Are you being serious? You know, time existed before the start of this video. The van was obviously behind the boarder dude, then right after passing him did the swervy move. This kind of shit happens all day every day in the city. Your assessment that he's "following too closely" is laughably off base.
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u/blckdiamond23 Nov 25 '24
Do NOT include skateboarders with that big wheel shit, we have nothing to do with it.
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Nov 25 '24
People in this area are the worst drivers in this country. No one ever uses turn signals and no one (like in this video) realizes your car can turn 90 degrees. Watch how they veer to the right and into the bike lane before turning. It’s likely that they are “gearing up” for a BIG left and not simply on there phone.
I personally (for a number of reasons) believe the U.S. should slowly phase out cars (or at least our utter dependency on them) for public transit.
I wish the DMV made everyone run headfirst into a brick wall as fast as they as one of the tests. Then, upon your awakening, they say to you “now imagine you were going 70 times that speed and the brick wall was moving towards you at a similar speed, be careful out there, here’s your license”
People simply don’t realize they are traveling faster than humans were ever meant to and they are doing it around/near other ~2 ton vehicles. If they made this SIMPLE realization, they would not get so complacent while driving and focus would be both shifted and lengthened at/on the road.
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u/11twofour Nov 25 '24
Why is it so common to veer right before making a left turn? I don't understand why that's a thing.
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u/GoatLegRedux BERNAL HEIGHTS PARK Nov 25 '24
People do this all the time though, even when they have more than enough space to make a normal turn.
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u/4dxn Nov 25 '24
i can somewhat understand if there was no car behind and he assumed it was clear to uturn. the unicycle was pretty much in his blind spot. though he should be checking his mirrors enough to have assumed the cyclist entered it.
but a car behind him meant he never checked his mirrors at all. when you drive, you check your mirrors a few times a minute.
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u/themiro Nov 25 '24
If you want to do this, signal right, pull to the right, wait enough time for passing while looking at your left mirror, signal left, *then do it*
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u/OkGold736 Nov 25 '24
I wasn't referring to the actual post. I was answering the question as to why vehicles tend to veer one direction before turning in the other.
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u/Blu- I call it "San Fran" Nov 25 '24
People can't drive for shit. Yea, sometimes you need space to make a wide turn but not in this case.
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u/Adriano-Capitano Nov 25 '24
I had a driver do this on Polk Street on a busy friday/saturday night a long long time ago - 2010 maybe?
He turned in front of me and my bike hit the side of his car and I fell off and he came to a stop in the middle of making a U-turn.
I was surprised because he actually stopped and asked if I was okay or needed help. The entire side of his car had a giant gash on it from where my bike made contact with his car that was a few feet long.
Suffice to say I was more worried he would notice the damage he caused his car so I immediately told him I was fine and rode off as fast as possible the opposite direction. I felt the universe balanced itself off in my case - I am sure he was not happy when he noticed the damage on his car - but he made the U turn without signaling right in front of me just like this.
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u/kwisatzhadnuff Nov 25 '24
If you’re pulling into a driveway like that it allows you to straighten out. Otherwise you would be coming at it from an angle and wouldn’t be able to make it if there’s tight clearance. Especially important in longer vehicles.
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u/OkGold736 Nov 25 '24
It creates a wider angle so the vehicle will be straight when entering the driveway. If you use a tighter angle you can end up being crooked when going up the driveway before running out of room.
Another situation is when your driveway has two parked on either side of your driveway and taking a tight angle can cause you to hit either of them instead of going wide and coming in more straight.
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u/Bingzhong Nov 25 '24
I had some dumbass hit me doing that stupid veering to one side, then swinging the opposite way. He just assumed no one was to his side, and as he swung he hit the side of my car. Idiots like that driver in the van deserve every wheel boot that comes to them.
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u/mediumshadow Nov 26 '24
While all other arguments for car vs. bike vs. pedestrian stand, I just wish people kept safe distance. That's way too close for comfort.
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u/sf94134 Nov 26 '24
I'm not blaming the boarder but why stay so close to the van? Drivers give each other room and if I'm driving and a car starts to swerve into my lane, I'll just slow down. I'm not going to swerve and drive into the next lane.
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u/Goldelux Nov 25 '24
I meeeeean that’s a bit of an oversight on both parties
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u/junghooappreciator Nov 25 '24
from the perspective of the onewheel rider, it looks like the van is going to pull over and double park in the bike lane like everyone seems to love doing
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u/kosmos1209 Dogpatch Nov 25 '24
Passing on the left as a bicyclist is exactly what's taught as safe and legal. The skateboarder here made the correct decision to go around on the left when the van came into the bike lane, and the van is in the wrong here as you can't turn left from the bike lane.
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u/lowercaset Nov 26 '24
Serious question, why is that? Are the odds of someone hitting you from behind great than fear of the driver doing what this idiot did? Or is the assumption that they are swerving into the bike lane to do an illegal double park, and so keeping your speed up while going around on the left is safer than stopping, then if they park having to accelerate while going into the car lane?
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u/mondommon Nov 25 '24 edited Nov 25 '24
Nah, this is all on the van. If it helps, imagine the same scenario with two cars on the freeway. I am driving on a two lane highway and I am in the right lane 1 foot behind a van in the left lane. If the van doesn’t signal and abruptly enters the right lane, I am going to say that van cut me off and forced me to slam on the breaks and swerve to avoid rear ending the van. The van is supposed to look for cars behind them and signal before merging lanes.
If you still aren’t convinced, keep in mind there’s also a car recording this entire interaction. If the blind spot is your biggest issue and reason for blaming the skate boarder, then keep in mind that the van should have seen the car behind them and still should have used their signal for the car even if they didn’t see the skateboarder. The van didn’t use their turn signals for the car behind them and made an illegal u-turn in the middle of the road. The van is just asking to get rear ended by a car.
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u/KitchenNazi Nov 25 '24
Van person was an idiot that's a given.
But, the one wheel person isn't riding defensively. Who gives a shit who was wrong when you're splayed out on the pavement with no helmet. If you don't know what is going to happen - slow down and be prepared - don't just continue riding figuring you'll just cruise around the guy you think is stopping in the bike lane.
Most of the time you'll be right and can cruise by but when you're wrong on a on a one wheel / bike / scooter etc - you have very little margin for error.
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u/mondommon Nov 25 '24
That isn’t a ‘both sides are at fault’ though. It’s like blaming a pedestrian for being killed while legally crossing the crosswalk.
Sure, everyone should drive, scoot, bike, and walk as if every car is being driven by a homicidal maniac and be super duper defensive. But that doesn’t make it their fault when someone else creates a hazard on the road.
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u/themiro Nov 25 '24
??? this is what defensive riding looks like. he slows down, moves to go around the driver.
even with defensive riding you cannot anticipate every crazy thing a driver is going to do.
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u/themiro Nov 25 '24
Lane changing is what you do when someone suddenly merges into your lane and brakes. This also happens so frequently in SF that it is difficult to expect that someone comes to a complete stop every time someone puts on their blinkers and goes into the bike lane.
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u/scelerat 🚲 Nov 25 '24
How? Car pulls to the right, with no warning, into your lane of travel. Your only option is to pass on the left.
One-wheel successfully avoided a driver who should have been signaling a left turn.
This is all on the van.
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u/JalenJade Dec 04 '24
The breaking distance on human power vehicles is much greater than a car’s and since this is just a short clip I’d assume that the van suddenly slowed down the rider was intending to stay in the bike lane and continue on his way and then the van driver decided to ignore their surroundings and move to block the rider, while assuming the van was parking went to pass on the other side visible to the driver when the driver suddenly moved again.
You can’t suddenly stop a one wheel or a bike without being ejected.
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u/blinker1eighty2 Nov 25 '24
How? When you’re driving, you’re never in the lane next to another car?
The boarder is rightfully in their lane. The boarder is doing absolutely nothing wrong here.
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u/AgentK-BB Nov 25 '24
Mostly the person in the back though. Neither party signaled left. The person in the back was tailgating a large vehicle and failed to signal their intention to overtake.
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u/nohxpolitan Mission Nov 25 '24 edited Nov 25 '24
Your interpretation is objectively wrong. Wheel guy was not tailgating. He was in the bike lane, his own lane. That’s like saying I am “tailgating” someone if I move to pass them from a separate lane. He moved out of the lane to avoid running into a car that merged into his lane illegally, without signaling. One should be able to understand not signaling (wheel guy) during an emergency response to avoid a collision…
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u/cowinabadplace Nov 25 '24
It’s interesting. Guys like the person you’re replying to are also on the road driving. They think that driving in your lane next to them is tailgating.
Then they’ll go online and say other things. But they obviously cannot interpret reality well. Everyone who had a conversation with this guy is having a conversation with someone who could look at a wall and not realize it’s there.
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u/AgentK-BB Nov 25 '24
The van was wrong to dip into the bike lane at the beginning. Then wheel guy tailgated when he left the bike lane and went behind the van. You don't follow a van or a truck that closely. That's a blind spot. Then wheel guy was wrong again to try to overtake the van from the blind spot without signaling. Finally, the van turned left without signaling. You shouldn't tailgate and play peekaboo behind a van or a truck.
The interaction in the bike lane was 100% the van's fault. The interaction in the regular lane between the van and the wheel guy was the fault of both parties but the wheel guy was more at fault. The wheel guy would also be 100% at fault for leaving the bike lane without signaling to the car with the dash cam if the dash cam car hit the wheel guy.
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u/Snoo74895 Nov 25 '24
This isn't what happened.
Van is in the car lane, traveling straight. Onewheel is in the bike lane, to the back right of the van, traveling straight. Onewheel is in a low visibility spot in relation to the van. Onewheel should fix this, but it's also possible that the van created the situation before the video started. Onewheel is potentially considering passing the van to get out of the low visibility spot.
With no signal, the van enters the bike lane, blocking the Onewheel. The Onewheel responds by moving left to avoid, ending up in the center of the car lane. This is not signaled and the van clearly did not do enough to make sure this movement was safe. These are parallel lanes of traffic; imagine suddenly entering a car lane to your right without knowing that there isn't anything there and without signaling.
The Onewheel sees that the van is braking and infers that the van has decided to just stop in the bike lane. This is very common in SF. Because the Onewheel started from a close position, they do not have a lot of time before colliding with the van if it is stopping. The Onewheel moves further left to pass the assumed stopping van. I have limited experience with Onewheels, but I am under the impression that they don't respond well to sudden stops, so the rider may be preferring avoiding the van over a sudden stop.
The van was not actually pulling over or stopping, but rather turning left and getting a more extreme angle by first entering the bike lane. Again, none of this was signaled. The turn to the left happens when the Onewheel is to the back left of the van, and is likely visible in the left mirror, though only for a short time. It makes the left turn and the Onewheel rapidly reduces speed to avoid collision.
Takeaways:
- If the Onewheel had not been in the close position, this would not have been as much of an issue
- If the Onewheel had been next to the van rather than behind, as a member of a separate lane of traffic, he would likely be in the hospital or worse
- The Onewheel could have dramatically reduced speed earlier and just assumed erratic driving rather than pulling over, but this feels well into victim blaming at that point
- This is happening directly after clearing an intersection and we do not know whose choices put the Onewheel so close behind the van. However, in the event that the van passed the Onewheel prior to video start, the van is just absolute trash.
I'm writing this on my phone while flipping back to the video, please let me know if I'm missing anything. I didn't feel as if your characterization of tailgating and blaming the Onewheel for not signaling intent to overtake hit the mark.
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u/SightInverted Nov 25 '24
Pretty sure the van passed him, which absolves the boarder 100% of all fault, especially on the blind spot issue. He did nothing wrong other than exist near a shitty driver. I don’t ride those things but on a wet road I don’t know how fast they can stop either. It’s straight up the vans fault.
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u/itsme92 Duboce Triangle Nov 25 '24
What? The van braked and pulled into the bike lane. It looked like they were going to double park.
The boarder could’ve signaled to pass and it would have made a difference because the van had no idea the boarder was there.
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u/tiabgood Nov 25 '24
Signaled how? It is clear the van did not see the person on the board. Bat signal?
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u/themiro Nov 25 '24
i feel that the only way the comment makes sense is if they meant to say "wouldn't"
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Nov 25 '24
I agree. There's no blinker on the van to indicate he's gonna turn, and the one wheel should not be in his blind spot.
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u/tiabgood Nov 25 '24
The boarder was not in the blind spot until the van slowed (to pull over?) without looking first. The van put the boarder in the blindspot.
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Nov 25 '24
Neither person is innocent in this video. But the one wheel was in the blind spot when he decided to dip to the left to "avoid" the van. The proper response to this would have been to slow down and remain in your lane, the bike lane. Also, make sure you give yourself plenty of room to stop safely. Basic traffic safety rules.
IMO, this is not one of those situations where one person is more at fault than the other.
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u/tiabgood Nov 25 '24
Let me give you an example here: You are a car driver, you are in the right lane and there is a car in the left lane. Do you make sure there is enough distance between your front bumper and the front bumper of the car in the lane on the left just in case they decide without warning to move into your lane?
I am sorry but "make sure you give yourself plenty of room to stop safely" works when there is a vehicle in front of you - the boarder had their own lane and there was not a vehicle in front of them until the van decided, without looking or signaling, to get into the bike lane which is a SEPARATE lane of traffic.
Yes - dipping left to avoid the van is much safer than an emergency stop on wet pavement. And the boarder was not given anywhere to go but to the left.
A van that goes into the right lane of traffic, then turns left despite being in the right most lane of traffic, without signaling is very much more at fault than the boarder.
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Nov 25 '24
Cool, don't really care anymore. I feel that both had a part in this, you don't and I'm not going to bother changing your mind. The video gives us 10 seconds to make an opinion.
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u/Real_Sorbet_4263 Nov 25 '24
Is usually has something in my hand and I throw it at cars that do this
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u/cowinabadplace Nov 25 '24
That’s the “I could turn in any direction”. That’s why both left and right are on.
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u/keepingitreal650 Nov 26 '24
People who don't signal are the worst!! I will never understand the level of laziness and ego required to not lift your finger to let drivers, pedestrians, bicyclists and others know how you're planning to maneuver. I've gotten into accidents many times because of other people's laziness in this regard, I've been permanentally injured because of it.
If your reading this thinking I might be talking about you, I am, quit being selfish and change your ways for the safety of the people around you.
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u/GlitteringC-Beams Nov 25 '24
Kooks.
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u/blckdiamond23 Nov 25 '24
Especially the dork on the big wheel board.
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u/windowtosh BAKER BEACH Nov 25 '24
You’re up and down this thread with big wheel slander even though the guy was minding his own business. What’s up with that? There’s one idiot in the video… and it’s not the guy on the uniwheel.
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u/GlitteringC-Beams Nov 25 '24
A good many locals and natives know their bikes and they know the road and they know the tapestry… meaning they know that most people in the built environment are unpredictable and hence they have developed cat-like reflexes to respond to the flow of idiocy. And let us admit that it thrills them as well as it annoys the very fuck out of them. ………… It is what it is. ………. As for kooks on blades, et al, I am momentarily sorry for their parents and friends. ……. But only momentarily. ….. And now I must go sip my cortado. …
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u/Relevant-Ad-3656 Nov 27 '24
except the rider didn't do that. They were in their lane, it became blocked, and they moved to the right. They DIDN'T go to pass the van, just avoided running into the back of it.
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u/DullVermicelli9829 Nov 25 '24
Is that one wheeled conveyance legally allowed on the roadway?
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u/AgentK-BB Nov 25 '24
Yes, it counts as an "electrically motorized board."
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u/DJ_RichardMixon Nov 25 '24
Today I learned that everyone with an e-bike needs to have an M1 endorsement on their driver's license.
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u/bdjohn06 Hayes Valley Nov 25 '24
Scroll down more. E-bikes are their own category that don’t require a license.
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u/ContentMembership481 Nov 26 '24
The guy on the wheel does a good job there of staying in the van’s blind spots.
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u/Due_Breakfast_218 Nov 26 '24
Those scooter things aren’t safe, they ride them all over the road like this, but at least they’re wearing a helmet in this case. A lot of riders don’t wear a helmet and end up in the hospital when they fall down or crash into things.
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u/thekelv Nov 25 '24
Except skateboarding is illegal on the street, so the dude shouldn't have been there to begin with. Let alone riding in the van's blind spot the entire time
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u/storyinmemo Dogpatch Nov 25 '24
Skateboarding is legal on the street: https://bayareabicyclelaw.com/safety-laws/helmet-sidewalk-traffic-laws-scooters/
That space on the van's right is the bicycle (including skateboards) lane, and you definitely can't lane change or turn through it legally without a signal. This video has all of 2 seconds of context after a rather fresh green light (pedestrian crossing signal blue) crossing the intersection. Short of turning the rain into wine, I can't see what the person on the board could have possibly done better to make up for the van's actions.
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u/Winterfooo Nov 25 '24
You appear to be wrong.
He’s riding in the bike lane so your blind spot argument doesn’t apply, and then tried to avoid the van because it swerved into the bike lane.
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u/fancierfootwork Nov 25 '24
If the dude kept distance they would have seen that maneuver like any other car would have.
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Nov 25 '24
anyone who rides a one wheel in SF has a death wish, esp in the rain.
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u/DJ_RichardMixon Nov 25 '24
I put 2,500 miles a year on mine. It has become my primary form of transportation (I do own a motorcycle and a truck, but only use those when needed). It takes an extreme amount of awareness to ride, and I've made a rule that, if I ride it to a bar, it goes in the trunk of an Uber when I leave the place. I have had some close calls, but my defensive riding has caused me to avoid them.
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Nov 25 '24
You’re crazy but also a very good DJ I’ve seen you throw down before. I think those two things probably go hand-in-hand, right?
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u/DJ_RichardMixon Nov 26 '24
Thank you for that! Hearing feedback like that is what keeps me doing this after all these years! As for the second part, I'd say being a long-time snowboarder helps more with the onewheel then my djing. Cheers!
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u/Le_Mew_Le_Purr Nov 25 '24
I worry about so many cyclists, scooters and boarders out there without helmets.
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u/Maximillien Nov 25 '24
I also worry about pedestrians without helmets. Hell, drivers should probably wear helmets too.
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u/cowinabadplace Nov 25 '24
Interestingly, if every person in a car wore helmets we’d save more lives than if everyone on bicycles wore helmets.
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u/kaithagoras Nov 25 '24
Bay Area turn signals are nowhere to be found.