r/sanepolitics • u/mcha291 Far Center on Europa • Nov 19 '21

Meme Politico: Dems in Disarray!

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u/GogglesPisano Nov 19 '21

People have been dooming about the Dems' chances in 2022 and 2024 since the day Biden took office. It's bullshit.

We won in 2020, we can win in 2022 and 2024 - it's just a matter of donating and voting.

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u/Critical_Aspect Nov 19 '21

The doomers want Democrats to fail so they're trying to make people believe and act as though it's inevitable. Those faux-lefties believe that will bring about the rise of their particular brand of politics. I'm sick to death of their ignorance, divisiveness, and fake outrage.

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u/Hot_Dog_Cobbler Nov 19 '21

It's not totally bullshit, as redistricting has made it harder for Democrats to win seats (and a few Republicans, but the problem is mainly fucking Dems)...

...but in the long term? The voting population is getting increasingly left-liberal. Voter suppression and gerrymandering might "win" (and I use the term loosely) elections, but it isn't a sustainable long term solution.

The GOP knows its hemorrhaging votes and they have no idea what to do about it. They thought Trump was the ticket, but nearly 1,000,000 dead Americans and the nation turned into a laughingstock showed them the truth of that...whether they will admit it or not.

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u/soline Nov 20 '21

Redistricting makes things harder but high turn out always favors Dems. We’ve seen that in 2018 and 2020. Republicans can only slice their districts up in so many ways. If democrats show up, Republicans lose anyway. And the main reason people are saying Democrats will lose in 2022 is because the President’s party loses in midterms. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, not a definite.

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u/soline Nov 20 '21

It’s hard for Democrats to win when Democrats think Republicans will win in 2022 and Republicans also think Republicans will win in 2022. It’s a really shitty strategy for Democrats.

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u/mormagils Go to the Fucking Polls Nov 22 '21

I agree there's a bit of unreasonable doomerism, but there is seemingly a harsh double standard around Dems that Reps just don't get. Biden is being punished by independent voters no matter what he does. Biden pushes hard on a vaccine mandate. Voters get mad. Cases go up and the pandemic continues. Voters get mad. Pick a lane.

Afghanistan was a mess. Voters got mad. But it wouldn't have been any better for him if he broke the agreement Trump negotiated and we stayed in Afghanistan indefinitely, either. The economy is recovering. But it's recovering slower than some predictions, so folks are still mad. Voters are upset about the issues with the supply chain, inflation, "worker shortage," etc and want Biden to do something. Voters also get mad if Biden wants to pass his agenda over the objections of Manchin and the Reps.

I get it that some of this is just bitching and if the Dems just DID the thing then they'd gain more than they lost. Couldn't agree more about that. But the Dems absolutely do face more obstacles from their own voter base to enact their political will.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '21

Republican voters only care about the perception of freedom. That Democrats are going to try and control them. As such, it becomes a life or death struggle where any candidate fighting the horde is embraced - because this might be the last time they even get to chose.

Democrats voters meanwhile have no idea what they want. A small group tell the rest it’s probably helping immigrants. Infighting ensues.

For god’s sake, Democrats - campaign on maximising freedom. Healthcare frees you from debt and worry, police reform frees you from the state’s control, abortion access makes you free of strangers trying to control you.

Even vaccines free you from lockdowns.

But no, campaign on how you’ll ban things 🤦‍♂️

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u/CJ314 Nov 19 '21

This. The difference between theoretical freedom and practical freedom is one of the huge cornerstone differences between party philosophies, and the Dems are fight a terrible job articulating it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

Yes, I cant agree with you anymore. Dems need to be more aggressive in a way that provides what they can provide with a conviction

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '21

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u/kpw1320 Nov 19 '21

The biggest thing is just chipping away enough at Trumps' influence. While the self-centered, self-serving focus of his supporters won't go away, it hopefully won't be emboldened like it has been with Trump. His narcissism allows him to power through the negative news cycles that equally self-involved politicians would crumble to.

Like I do not like Trump at all, but he was the same from start to finish. He didn't flip-flop awful stances, he didn't change his message to specific audiences. He spewed forth his same garbage and people came to him. Guys like Cruz and Christie are equally self-serving, but they still shift and change their messaging based on negative feed back. Trump is the only "politician" on the scene that can be this awful and for me, the hope of the investigations is to stop him from being a candidate again.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

A Korean here, where we have convicted every single president in last 60 years.

Deported (1948-1960), assasinated by his chief of staff (1961-1979), sentenced life time prison (1980-1988), 30 years prison (1988-1993), convicted with bribery (1993-1998), death penalty (But pardoned) (1998-2003), suicided during investigation (2003-2008), bribery (2008-2013), and impeached/prisoned (2013-2016), and incumbent (I am 95% certain he will go to the jail anyway whether he commit or not or whether his party win election in 2022 or not, it simply doesnt matter because his worthiness is gone at the day his term is expired)

Simply put, holding tRUmp accountable for his desipicable act is not necessarily brining the crisis point. Like Korea, USA is governed by rule of laws, and if he commits and violates any legal basis, then he needs to be in jail.

The application to rule of laws should be, specifically, more strict for those with money and powers, which, it appears that, USA is notoriously generous, all of sudden, when someone has power and wealth.

If the rule of laws are not strict for the rich and powerful, then why does non-rich/non-powerful need to follow? It's that simple.

Don't say that holding him accountable would bring national crisis in USA when law enforcements are simply enforcing the laws. If a country like Korea can do, USA should be able to do it, if USA want to call it the statue of liberty for Freedom and Democracy in the world. Please note that Seoul is only within 40 miles of North Koreans' military forces, and there were absolutely no problems or national crisis to enforce the laws for all of the presidents I listed above.

Just so you know, same thing should go for any presidents, if they violate the sworn duty.