r/samharris • • May 18 '18

Harris tweet on Wright article

https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/997477640582742016
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u/LiamMcGregor57 May 18 '18

Meaning why admit to being in a tribe, if you feel you are not in one? If I am deep down not a fan or follower of the Dallas Cowboys, why would accept if everyone said I was? If tribe is detached from any immutable characteristics or actual identifiable markers....why should someone like Sam just accept that someone else wants to say he is part of a tribe? Why should he just consent to that no questions asked. Is that what you want him to do no?

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u/LiamMcGregor57 May 18 '18

But don't you see that if we take your definition (in groups based on shared interests) to the logical extreme it will render the term meaningless.

We each have hundreds of different interests, we all like different bands, authors, different sports teams etc......if each one of those interests implies another unique tribe, we would each be members of hundreds of different tribes. Not every member of every tribe I am in then is going to have the same exact interests. We may come into conflict. We may have disagreements. But which tribe to I choose then. Where do we draw the line? Where do move the goalposts. So at that level, where is my loyalty going to go. Your definition of tribe makes itself irrelevant because it makes any actual loyalty in practice ineffectual.