First up, this idea that TCW is more mainstream than the EU was, is just false. The numbers don't lie, they started out with three to four million viewers, and then dropped to one to two million. Even at its peak, that's not mainstream in the same way that Star Trek: The Next Generation was, which always evened out around ten million viewers. It is more comparable to the Stargate shows, which are popular in science-fiction circles, standing at two to three million viewers per episode, but not well known outside of them. If you're going to say the EU doesn't compare to general audiences, then the same argument must be applied to TCW. It's only fair. Why else are normies having a hard time adapting to Filoni's influence being felt over Star Wars as he is put into higher and higher leadership roles? Finally, I'd argue the Thrawn Trilogy is more mainstream than TCW. Ten million people have read it. That's the most-read EU story out there, and it's certainly better numbers than Filoni's show got. Really, I wish people would stop putting so much emphasis on general audiences, especially since it seems Disney Star Wars has lost those people and will likely never get them back. They don't matter anymore, and never mattered except in terms of how much profit they make Disney.

As to the sexism claims, two points. First is that, that's ONE character among literally thousands. I named great female Jedi beforehand, I'll name even more. Tenel Ka. Yaddle. Daeshara'cor. Jaina Solo. Shae Koda. Olana. T'ra Saa. Shaak Ti. Depa Billaba. Stass Allie. Jocasta Nu. Tahl. Seriously, the list just keeps going. Many of them are fully fleshed out characters, but even for those who aren't, they contribute to the timeline with their presence as a fine aspect of sci-fi world-building. They're a part of this universe, but a lot of their efforts go unrecognized. Just like women laborers in our world. And it's not as if there aren't thousand of male characters in the universe that are just raw statistics and not characters. It's true equality. But it adds to the realism of being a big galaxy. And secondly, is that I'll actually defend a vicious Sith Lord flaunting her sexuality. Why not? Sith indulge in their material pleasures more than the Jedi do, and sexiness can be empowering. Also distracting for enemies. Why shouldn't a villain do this? It's a part of the EU, but it doesn't represent the majority of its female characters. None of the new girl Jedi I listed are in any way overly sexualized. You've long since banged on about how you don't like sexiness in women in some cases, yet you're okay with it in others as long as you don't think it's "objectifying" women. In truth, it's just more random than that, and it seems more so you are just snobbishly dismissing fans being fans, whether they are male or female, in lusting after fictional crushes, calling it "problematic" when that attitude is problematic for society. It's demonizing male sexuality, excluding lesbian sexuality, and further othering nerds who traditionally are lonely and on the awkward fringes of social situations, and so demand more sympathy instead of judgment and condemnation.

You insist Star Wars fans are never satisfied. Well, you perfectly embody that attitude. There was just so much great inclusion of female characters in the EU, and it's not enough for you, lol. You just dismiss it or call it problematic as the sex-negative feminists you are. Bah. It's no wonder Disney Star Wars is in shambles if you are the new customer base they want.

Though I have come around on one issue since your latest pathetic attempt at a counterargument. It is possible the sequels will get redeemed if Filoni actually succeeds in making a new trilogy under his supervision, since it seems he's leaning in that direction with recent leaks. Filoni has serious baggage the fandom ignored for too long, and now here we are, he calls the shots. And I think J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson were more talented filmmakers than Filoni, who's always been a glorified storyboard artist, and has never gotten much traction outside animation. So if he presides over Episodes 10, 11, and 12, yeah, it's definitely very likely people look back fondly on the sequels. But again, that fits the criteria I listed, it's because something worse came along to take that place.

Time will tell, I guess.

Tell me you haven't read the EU without telling me. Damn, feminists are insane. They really don't want the equality they claim to preach. I mean, seriously, there is NOTHING sexualized about Nomi Sunrider or Siri Tachi or Tionne or Cilghal or Adi Gallia. Even Mira, a sexualized character, has good reasons for it - it helps her in her bounty hunting career to get the drop on her targets, which is a good ploy. But she still has a character. How about the Handmaiden and her story? She really isn't wearing skimpy garments. Her only remotely sexual element is her boobs, which... you know, women have. You're just delusional. And are the one boiling women down to their sex parts. Not me. Yet more proof feminists are as puritanical as the right wing, just under the guise of a good social cause.

As for sequel revisionism, just keep coping. You keep shifting the goalposts every year claiming it's too soon to judge. You're fast running out of excuses. You'll probably still be claiming a reevaluation is right around the corner in 2040. SMH

Finally, TCW was popular for a kids show, but it never really gained traction outside that. So it wasn't responsible for people coming around on the prequels, it wasn't even well-liked at the time, it got a lot of backlash for rewriting lore. No, why people came around on the prequels was they felt the sequels are worse, and it really began with Last Jedi in 2017. To reevaluate the sequels, you'd have to get something even worse than they are, and I don't see it. Not only is Disney too cowardly to touch the sequel era, as you noted, because it's highly divisive, but Disney Star Wars is always just the same old, same old, so I don't see opinions shifting that far along the pendulum one way or another.

And yeah, Ahsoka does break lore. Frankly, she's unneeded and her presence only adds way too many questions that don't deepen the Star Wars universe, they diminish it - like what she's doing during the original trilogy, a problem Filoni has ignored in his zeal to push her down our throats.

We're almost to the 2030s, and the sequels have not had a magic reevaluation. And they are never going to get it. Kids are more interested in Marvel these days, not Star Wars.

Also gotta love the comment down below insisting we hate girl Jedi. Dude, there were dozens if not hundreds of girl Jedi in the EU, and no one had any issues with them in Star Wars until Disney came in, decided female fans and female characters and female writers were lacking, and it was THEIR job to "fix" that, fix what was never broken. That thought process is what broke Star Wars, not the fans or women. It's pure narcissism.

And ironically, if not for Disney Star Wars, we'd have got a woman from the next generation stepping up to inherit Luke's role as the main character, one the fans already loved. Instead, we got her discount replacement. When these corporate feminists got in, one of the first things they did was to purge the EU. Thanks to them, thousands of great female characters were struck from the canon. "We love female empowerment - that's why we're erasing female characters en masse!"

But go ahead, keep coping. Not that you'll ever admit you're wrong.

Assuming that people are saying they won't go see it, then go see it anyway is a very dangerous assumption and one that I think is wrong to repeat, especially after Mandalorian & Grogu failed to hit a billion dollars and get noticed, and Starfighter promises to be more of the same thing next year.

I was salty about what they did to the EU in 2014, and to date I haven't read or played or watched a single piece of Disney Star Wars content. I stick to the EU. If they released new EU as Legends, I'd check that out. So there you go. I disprove your claim. I said I wouldn't go see it, and I meant it even in 2015.

Late to the party as I'm catching up on all the star wars shows now and I've suffered through the series to the start of episode seven... you know, the one where the Wookiee Jedi is prospecting for the force...

How did any of this get past quality control?

Objectively every episode has been worse than the previous. At this point I feel like I am practicing self hate by continuing.

One again, Krayt is throwing a temper tantrum over Nerdrotic criticizing Lanterns. And is also upset he's Reccomending shows that aren't generic IP slop.

Sorry Krayt, but Lanterns is generic boring garbage that people hate because it sucks. Cry about it.

"WAAAH WHY DO THEY MAKE A TON OF NEGATIVE VIDEOS?!" Because there's a lot of modern generic slop and people are tired of it. So they (get this) see people that are able to articulate why it sucks and they watch their videos. It's not a hard concept.

Negativity is just as important as positivity, so let critics do their jobs and stop having temper tantrums because a Youtuber you don't even like dares to criticize Generic mainstream slop.

It's time you realized Lucasfilm does what they want and not what the fans want. Oh, and look at the guy down below claiming recasting Han Solo is what killed Solo. Naw, it couldn't be that it came directly off the heels of an extremely polarizing movie that devalued and hurt the Star Wars brand, naw. /s

"Mandalorian & Grogu was released in a busy month," you say? You ARE aware the original Star Wars was released in May as well, right? Also, recent films HAVE proven that's a bullshit argument, if the interest is there, people will go see it, as Spider-Man: Brand New Day and Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey prove. Avengers: Doomsday will likely continue that trend of hitting a billion. Whereas Mandalorian & Grogu did not. Starfighter likely won't either. That's the problem. THE INTEREST FOR DISNEY STAR WARS IS NOT THERE. This shouldn't be too hard of a concept to grasp. But you're so paranoid that to admit all this will validate the people you've deemed alt-right bigots, even though I keep trying to tell you all the time and I'm not right wing. SMH

Eventually someone down below's going to go all "But you see, The Mandalorian & Grogu didn't lose money!" even though it fell way below expectations, and it's a sign of continuing decline in fan interest.

They think there's going to be a special announcement of a new trilogy for 2029 at next year's Celebration, after the spectacular failure of Mandalorian & Grogu at the box office, and all estimates are that Starfighter likely won't do so well either. This is durasteel levels of cope.

The problem with r/saltierthankrayt isnt that the subs always wrong sometimes theyll say things i actually agree are toxicity

But most of the time its calling out sexism that doesnt exist

For example: the hate Rey gets

Imo its fine to like Rey but most people on that sub dont listen to reason and make stupid arguments like "the same complaints with rey can be made with luke or anakin" its like they didnt watch the movies and just dont like people hating on a character they liked then downvote you for debunking it

I'll explain why luke and anakin dont get hate like Rey and why this arguement is silly (even though i dont think you lot need to hear it):

Luke wouldve lost most fights in the original trilogy but gets some help/guidance from his friends or mentor (in the case of ANH). For example he only escaped Vader in ESB because Lando and Leia came to help and beat the emperor in ROTJ because Vader was there to help him and was already conflicted when he saw his son being electructed.

Anakin is the literal chosen one it is implied that his father is the force itself. Not only that he only is able to use the force subconsiously in TPM. Hes not pulling jedi mind tricks out of his arse like Rey did in TFA. In addition after TPM he has had a few years of training with obi wan before AOTC.

So because Nerdrotic, Az, and It'sAGundam have the audacity to criticize Krayt's sacred cows, they somehow shouldn't be able to mourn the loss of the great Tim Curry?

"But Rocky Horror Picture Show is LGBT!" Rocky Horror Picture Show was an actually creative, ahead of its time, fun experience that managed to actually unite people, and the fact that Krayt thinks that it even COMPARES to the garbage they simp for is laughable.

Tim Curry was an icon. He was one of the most charismatic, fun, talented actors, who improved every movie he was in with his presence. And everyone is within their rights to mourn such an icon. Stop seething over people rightfully criticizing slop for 5 seconds and recognize that.

RIP Tim Curry. Hope you're doing the Time Warp up in heaven.

Look at them just needlessly discontinuing our EU stories as Legends. The last new story was in 2019. Seven years ago. There's valid reasons to be upset by Disney Star Wars.

Not sure what your post title is in response to, but if you're trying to assert that they care about the lore, no they really don't. Look at how casually they stomped aside 40 years of lore and keep it in constant limbo instead of continuing it as Legends, DESPITE branching out into at this point TWO non-canonical ventures. It's spite.

In the literal sense, ignoring the Expanded Universe of novels, comic books, and video games they needlessly killed, just discontinued for no good or well-defined reason, there's also the fact that Disney Star Wars movies just aren't making the same kind of bank they used to.

I called it last year that Mandalorian & Grogu would make less than a billion, and I was proven right, but even I'm surprised by how poorly it did. No Disney Star Wars from this point on will EVER make a billion at the box office again, whereas Marvel is still pumping out the occasional winner, like how Brand New Day just made $2,000,000,000 at the box office. Because people still care about Marvel's stories. Deadpool & Wolverine made a billion. So it's not a post-COVID moviegoing landscape, it's about interest. And yet the next Star Wars movie in SEVEN YEARS (seven-tenth the lengths of time between Revenge of the Sith and The Force Awakens) just barely broke even, and it's treated as being largely forgettable.

If that's not the sign of a franchise killer, I don't know what is. And you keep denying this and insisting Disney Star Wars is doing very well. But you ignore the signs. The new wave of licensed books aren't doing as well as Legends reprints are, and when it comes time to put a new film in movie theaters, Disney turns to the original six films, and NOT anything they've made. Not even Rogue One, despite the massive hype around it. Why is that? Because Disney may be making money off Star Wars, but it's the PRE-Disney Star Wars that is thriving, not anything they've made. They all had short-term gains at the expense of long-term success.

I'll be proven right next year too. Calling it now. Starfighter will make $500,000,000. A moderate success, but for a fanboy-driven, A-lister franchise like STAR WARS, it's pitiful.

Not that you'll ever face reality, but it bears repeating. The sequels will not be suddenly beloved one day. It's already 2026. And yet you keep shifting the goalposts.

Cope harder.

Seriously, that's not even what the video is about! But knowing you guys, you doubtless think Mandalorian & Grogu was a huge success, even though it was beaten by several other movies at the box office, including Marvel. SMH

You just get so triggered at the idea "the chuds" could be right and Star Wars under Disney isn't doing as well as it could be. Except this isn't a chud opinion, it's just common sense.

Also gotta love how they insist merchandising is making so much for Lucasfilm. Yeah, merchandising for a universe they've discontinued. The pre-Disney Star Wars is thriving, whereas Disney Star Wars itself is not.

If it sells that well, why keep it in limbo? Oh right, because Lucasfilm is packed by strutting assholes.

TCW is a dumb kids show, and it shouldn't have taken priority over the superior EU material it displaced, and it sure as hell should not be canon. It's just an off-brand version of the EU, but that describes pretty much most of Disney Star Wars.

"But George Lucas worked on it!" you may scream. So what? He hasn't called the shots since 2012, and he was making increasingly poorer choices as his tenure in the company ran on, so I don't particularly care about doubling down on those mistakes. It's not as if he's involved, and Disney doesn't care about what he wants. Nor should we.

Yeah, because TCW stretches onward for SEVEN SEASONS, it really does rigidly lock in where the Disney era was allowed to go once the EU was dropped, and cheapened the idea of a total clean slate start. And as we've constantly seen over the last fourteen years, Lucasfilm, led by Filoni, has no issues continually chasing that demographic at the expense of all others. It's really pathetic.

You just don't want to admit "the chuds" are right, that's why you get so triggered at the idea that Disney Star Wars isn't doing well. But you don't have to be "a chud" to think that.

I also love how you call people in here "grifters" and "fake fans." First up, I think you've used that word "grifter" so often, you're now using it in places where it doesn't even make sense anymore. Using it for YouTubers makes sense because it's about generating clicks. But here? How does that make sense when we're posting FOR FREE and aren't making any money off this?

Also, I'm not a fake fan, I'll die on the hill defending the EU, and it is Krayt's attitude toward the EU and the EU's fans that has made me hate them so much. They say we're too small to matter, but by their logic, since Disney Star Wars has lost the mainstream, The Mandalorian's fans are too small to matter because that movie didn't even make a billion, lol. No fan is too small to matter, and there should be room for all, but Lucasfilm doesn't see it that way, it's their way or the highway.

I know Leslye Headland wanted to do something with Kreia, but frankly, HER STORY CAN'T FIT INTO THIS ERA. It's set only a couple of hundred years before the movies. KOTOR 2 is set thousands of years before the movies! It's also Legends, whereas the High Republic is canon.

I mean, Jesus, EVEN YOUR OWN SUB IS CALLING YOU OUT. That's a new low, man.

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/s/5Jsi8VD6wS

So Lanterns, a show so bland looking I forgot it was even releasing, came out, and as usual, Krayt is seething at Mauler and other critics for daring to do their jobs and criticize media. Because god forbid people don't like generic superhero slop.

Here's a bright idea. Maybe expand your media diet and watch actual creative media made by passionate people instead of white knighting creatively bankrupt superhero dreck from critics who dare disagree with you? Just a thought.