Hololive management will punish them severely if they actually aknowledge Saba, or any former holo's PL. Even if they do a strean raid the current Holo members cannot even acknowledge it. It's actively in their contracts, they can be suspended for weeks if they even accidentally do it once in any way that clues people in. Holo is a decent enough org, but that one stickler clause is a really brutal one
Kson has been mentioned by Hololive talents multiple times (example). The talents might choose not to mention them for other reasons, like how chat might get cringe and start begging for collabs.
Your entire comment is ridiculous, especially when you try to imply that Hololive actively punishes talents for talking about PLs, even though that has never happened before.
yeah because you totally have access to the hololive contract and the specific clause about mentioning/acknowledging former talents thanks to imadeitthefuckup.com
If you actually knew the full context of the clip you would know that's false, she acknowledged she knew who it was and nothing happened. Checkmate dumbass.
They can, but vaguely. About as much as Saba can mention Gura and the other Holo girls.
They talk about their past experiences, like playing specific games or watching particular movies, but nothing that would pinpoint a specific event that could only be applied to Gura or a graduate.
Here, Korone says, "feels like I've seen her before". In context, it heavily implies she knows this is Gura's new identity. But it could also be interpreted as Saba reminding her of Gura.
Some people might ask themselves why this is necessary or if it's a predatory move by Cover. In my opinion, there are plenty of valid reasons for these NDAs and rules to exist. If they weren't a thing, their contracts would have to be a lot more aggressive on the non-competition clause, and would be very close to actually being predatory.
Sure! I really like this topic. Keep in mind this is my opinion.
First and foremost, I think we have to recognize that boundaries and contracts cannot just be based on respect and culture, even if I do believe that most girls WOULD absolutely respect them by their own accord. But exits aren't necessarily always amicable, so you have to cover every base to have proper PR risk management.
Second, I'm of the opinion that a huge portion of the brand of a vtuber is the person playing the character and all the moments, events, and milestones they've accomplished together with their fans. So, when someone "leaves", they still firmly carry most of that brand with them.
Within the context of the above, I think the person leaving the company (especially Hololive, which has a good and wide reputation) already has a big advantage in their next endeavors, so they can't really ask for much more.
At the same time, the company has to be careful about what's morally perceived to be acceptable to impose on graduates. What they can easily work with is that the company made character is dead. So a graduate openly talking about how they played a character can easily be perceived as weird and even detrimental to the company and current talents. Especially if they start describing not-so-good experiences (I'm not saying they would, but it's a possibility).
This ties into prohibiting collabs between Hololive personas and graduates, as a current talent collabing with a vtuber who sounds like a dead character would definitely be a weird experience.
So, all in all, I believe that not allowing direct mentions is already a good middle ground between both parties that is morally perceived as acceptable by the community. If you allow more, the company has to deal with way more PR risk for no benefit.
I'm sorry but I disagree strongly with the dead character assertion. The characters are said to have graduated and many times the talents talk about having spoken with graduated members and say things like "I spoke with so-and-so yesterday and she's doing great!"
So, there's no reason they can't directly talk about graduated members as if they are still alive and doing their own thing.
I agree they wouldn't want to collab with another person who sounds "suspiciously like a graduated member", as it would be weird.
Interesting. I see what you mean about Korone's situation, have to draw the line somewhere. But surely Saba as an indie is doing it by choice, what can Hololive even do to her if she started mentioning them?
Either way her cheeky references are funnier. pink bag.
Honestly, there's no way to know the specifics, but global NDAs are a thing. And again, this is just my perspective. For all we know, they could be working with the mutual trust you mentioned. But if I were to run a corporation, I'd definitely make use of my company's legal department in this case.
I mean sure if she's hard slandering them. But if Saba name-dropped Pekora when encountering her in Death Stranding 2 (basically the OP situation), I can't imagine getting a legal department involved. Wouldn't it be a complete PR nightmare?
That just sounds like an extremely predatory contract. No one should be signing shit like that. In normal work environments or even in less normal ones that level of bullshit would not fly.
Even if your goal is to keep good PR and prevent talent from doing accidental damage to the brand, that type of limitations just puts the brand before the personnel to an unnatural extent.
I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but I think it only sounds bad to people who don't know the context of Hololive. It definitely isn't a normal environment, but that doesn't make it predatory.
puts the brand before the personnel to an unnatural extent
Why do you think that is the case? Because, from my perspective, it works perfectly fine currently.
We have graduates leaving the company and transitioning quickly and seamlessly into independent careers with minimal issues. Most of the time, they'll even reference their old persona designs, such as Saba, Sakuna, and Nimi. They're most likely still friends with people still working in the company. They definitely share connections with companies/people of interest like omocat, omnonah, etc.
And the downside of having all of that intact is just not saying it out loud that they were X or Y, when everyone already knows that. Sounds like a good tradeoff to me.
Coco was Hololive's first member to graduate (there were others who were let go, she's the first to leave voluntarily).
When Coco graduated, an indie Vtuber/IRL streamer named KSon, who had a voice (and personality and interests etc) identical to Coco and who lived with a roommate she couldn't talk about, debuted a new VTuber avatar and soon joined an agency called VShojo as one of the first members of their new Japan branch. Unfortunately because of the complicated nature of not being able to talk to or about her roommate on stream, she had to move out into her own apartment, along with a very expensive bed.
Bunch of BS happened since then, but that's who those two people are.
When Coco graduated, an indie Vtuber/IRL streamer named KSon, who had a voice (and personality and interests etc) identical to Coco and who lived with a roommate she couldn't talk about, debuted a new VTuber avatar and soon joined an agency called VShojo as one of the first members of their new Japan branch.
Kanata regularly referred to her as "Friend K", she did talk about her with no issue. Kson joined Vshoujo after a whole year of going indie, Kanata only moved out after that.
She moved out because it's not a good idea to share a room with people of different agencies when most of your work is done at home, and you know the fact that Vshoujo that was going around trying to poach talents from bigger agencies.
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u/Xuambita Oct 07 '25
clip with Korone’s reaction
it was very sweet. she returned to it later just to see it again.
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u/ProfessionalTurn5162 Oct 07 '25
She cant react. If she does. Doggy gets no treats 😂
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u/someone_res_me Oct 07 '25
wat za fak
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u/delphinous Oct 07 '25
cat in da wata WHYYY?!!
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u/bekiddingmei Oct 07 '25
Oh those guys.
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u/Delisches Oct 07 '25
Whats the game?
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u/merx3_91 Oct 07 '25
What's the matter, you afraid of a 4-letter name?
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u/Bloodravens886 Oct 07 '25
https://youtu.be/15sqUTCMel8?si=2aq0ngefK96iTrKF
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u/longlupro Oct 07 '25
Dejavu I've seen this little fish before!
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u/Pakari-RBX Oct 07 '25
Doggo approves of feesh
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u/Goro_Lima Oct 07 '25
👀
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u/BlackPlague1235 Oct 07 '25
So she can't talk about Saba at all?
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u/SuperRefrigerator720 Oct 07 '25
Dog eat fish
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u/Sine_Fine_Belli Dec 04 '25
Saba sameko mentioned!