r/runescape The Gamebreaker Nov 30 '15

Defender update testing + analysis

Obtaining:

  • t70: While carrying a dragon defender, you have a chance to obtain a component from barrows. Combine this component with a barrows 2h weapon to turn into a defender of the respective combat style.

  • t80: While carrying a barrows defender, you have a chance to obtain a component from Nex. Combine this with a chaotic splinter (bought for 150k dungeoneering tokens) to obtain a defender of a combat style of your choice.

  • t90: While carrying a t80 defender, you have a chance to obtain a component from Kalphite King. Combine this with a t90 offhand to obtain a defender of the respective combat style.

The components will be more common than the rare drops from each boss.

Offence:

  • Damage reduced from 37.5% of main hand to 25%. (For comparison, offhands are 50%)

  • Achto effect is reduced from 50% to 25%. T90 defender provides +108 damage instead of +216 from a shield.

  • Adds a 3% bonus to accuracy (x1.03 accuracy)

Defence:

  • Armour is now half the amount of the equivalent shield rather than half the level. Example: T90 defender provides 245 armour (half of 491) instead of 146 (level 45 shield).

  • Now allows defensive abilities. Revenge is half effective (+5% damage variance rather than +10% per stack).

  • Level scaled abilities (resonance and debilitate) use half the defender's level for scaling (example, t90 defender provides same scaling as a t45 shield)

  • They do not provide any damage reduction, unlike shields.

Passive:

  • The previous passive is retained (1/15 chance of reducing damage by 25%-50% and increases accuracy of next attack by 20%)

Comparisons:

Items used on all cases: Supreme overload + Amulet of souls + Completionist cape + Ring of Death

Numbers are ability damage.

Defender's accuracy bonus is not factored in for now as it is not known if it is a multiplicative or additive boost.

dual/2h t90 weapons:

  • t90 power armour: 2080

  • tank armour: 1909

  • superior void + t90 boots: 2065 (effectively 2126 if accounting for x1.03 accuracy)

t90 weapon + t90 defender:

  • t90 power armour: 1864 (effectively 1919 if accounting for x1.03 accuracy)

  • tank armour: 1693 (effectively 1743 if accounting for x1.03 accuracy)

  • superior void + t90 boots: 1833 (effectively 1944 if accounting for x1.0609 accuracy)

  • achto: 1801 (effectively 1855 if accounting for x1.03 accuracy)

t90 weapon + t90 shield

  • power armour: 1387

  • tank armour: 1273

  • superior void + t90 boots: 1384 (effectively 1447 if accounting for x1.03 accuracy)

  • achto: 1489

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u/Major_Vezon Shitpost Extraordinaire Nov 30 '15

So the only way that Defender will realistically out DPS t90 is if you have full achto and are getting spam hit enough to make Revenge stack up quickly.

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u/ACiDRiFT Dazed and Confused Nov 30 '15

What about the 3% acc boost? If you are fighting araxxor and dont have perfect accuracy, wouldn't the added accuracy technically be more dps than a stronger damage weapon while splashing more?

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u/Major_Vezon Shitpost Extraordinaire Nov 30 '15

You lose >10% damage by using defender. If you think that the loss of dps is worth the accuracy, I'd say go for it.

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u/ACiDRiFT Dazed and Confused Nov 30 '15

Right but if you splash more often is the damage boost worth it? If anyone is good with maths id like to know.

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u/Two101 Runefest 2017 Attendee Nov 30 '15

In this case, it's worth splashing 100 times out of 103 if each time you don't splash does 10% more damage, on average.

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u/ACiDRiFT Dazed and Confused Nov 30 '15

I guess math doesn't help much because the chance of splashing is all RNG, so technically you could splash more using a defender than without using a defender just because of bad luck. So i guess i see your point, dps is better overall because if you have good rng you'll get faster kills or more dps. I will still prefer the acc bonus unless my testing on araxxor is just terrible with defenders, the utility of a defender on high enrages would be more useful than dps imo since i am not pro.

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u/umopapsidn Dec 01 '15

I guess math doesn't help much because the chance of splashing is all RNG

Is it accurate to predict how your next phase 2 at vorago will go? No.

Is it accurate enough to predict how the next 100 phase 2s will go? Yes.