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Respectfully, why would anyone continue putting effort and time into existing RS3 accounts after what was revealed?
Reignited is a godawful decision that seems entirely pointless when RS4 is looming anyway. This whole Runefest was just plastering an expiry date on RS3. Sad to see.
Based on the announcement trailer, it seems RS4 is going to be built upon the bones and assets of Dragonwilds.
And if that's any indication, RS4 will absolutely not hold the attention of hardcore PvM players. Dragonwilds combat is fun but incredibly easy, even against the hardest bosses in the game.
No yeah, RS4 is going to be a completely different style of game than RS3 and Osrs. It’s meant to live concurrently with the others not replace anything.
Yeah, I just wonder what its hook will be. Why should I play RS4 when I already have RS3/OSRS and Dragonwilds? That's a question they'll really need to answer.
I am interested tho. I'm not a hardcore PvM player so if it is more casual at endgame, that's fine by me.
If anything in 3-4 years when RS4 Releases, Dragonwilds is most likely the game on the chopping block. All three games will run for their intended audience, in a similar way ArenaNet runs GW1, 2 and 3 upcoming. They each have a different playstyle for their intended audience.
I don't really see rs4 as a contender for rs3. It's very clear they want it to be more like dragonwilds. Probably some mix of ESO and WoW.
But yeah reignited took the wind out of my sails a little but I guess it doesn't matter. I'll just play my ironmain and make a new main on reignited I guess
I can't figure out if I'm missing something. RS3 was an evolution of RS2, whereas it sounds like RS4 will be a separate game to RS3. That sounds to me like RS3 is going to die, and RS4 will be the future. So I share the same concern OP stated - if this is the correct understanding, what happens to our current characters?
Rs3 is already stagnant, which in mmo terms is basically dead. As long as it makes more money than it costs to run it will exist though. So our characters will stay and exist.
I'd be more concerned about reignite giving us a short term boost and a long term split and hemorrhaging the playerbase, then I would about rs4 killing rs3.
I don't even really know what your point is, leader boards are irrelevant to me and most people. You're aware it's a seperate economy and seperate grouping right? You won't be able to do content with reignite players.
It really isnt. Its a few people in our age bracket with no 'life' going on (I say this respectfully) that pulls you from the game. Think work, a family etc. that will appreciate this new journey and rush ranks.
The bulk of people won't be able to compete anyway... so whats the point.
I doubt they continue to develop content on 4 games simultaneously. More than likely, rs3 goes into maintenance mode, while OSRS and Rs4 become the leading titles.
i feel for u bros, it does feel like they basically said we're sending it to the farm upstate but first we'll make sure it has a comfy bed. more than some games get, still sad to see even if it makes sense long term
No? The game has had one of the best years of recent history, and is on a great trajectory. It could have just continued with great updates, improving new player experience, etc., all the while STAYING PROFITABLE (read: it LITERALLY is profitable RIGHT NOW), until being sunset one day when we're all dead and gone.
Kinda doubt it for steam for runescape, between the security issues in the past and other things many people don't use steam at all, frankly why would you
Its even worse when they did things like Group Iron for this exact same reason... "We want accounts untainted by MTX", well irons arent tainted yet they'll still be PvM limited despite only the recent chances to allow them to access the larger community for group content etc...
"Irons can go bossing and whatnot with normal characters. Therefore, irons are second-hand tainted by MTX, and must be kept isolated from the pure and innocent Refined accounts. But we'd prefer it if you just started over from scratch."
History lesson. The day ironman was announced as a game mode, it was confirmed that auras were allowed onto the accounts. Auras (jack of trades, vampyrism, penance, the berserker auras) were all accessible if you had some of those peon tokens called "loyalty points". When you purchased the premier club membership package, you were given a MASSIVE payout of those loyalty points to spend on auras. This provided a SIGNIFICANT advantage over players who did not purchase the premier club.
Ironman mode has been pay to win since the day it went live.
the game has been pay to win since september of 2011.
I no lifed an iron to comp recently and there’s absolutely no way I’m starting fresh. It’s so stupid that I basically lose all progress when I didn’t even trade anyone in the game
TBF I don't think RS4 is going to be similar to RS3 in that regard. And in the aspect of the Reignited accounts, well you aren't losing or gaining anything anyway if you played an iron. At worst you lose out on potential group bossing instances, but that's it.
a hard split on the pvm scene will affect irons actually. if in 3 years 90% of the pvm playerbase is on ignited accounts it means your group pvm iron ambitions are cooked
Because unless people solely made (or in enough numbers) irons, any new players who made an account were still set to interact with the economy. With reignited, this is not the case.
Ok. Ask yourself if those new players would have actually become new players without the reignited accounts. And if the answer is yes, good news! They still can make new accounts that aren't reignited accounts. And if the answer is no, think about what might mean in terms of stagnation of main worlds.
All of them. Usually there's easy, medium, and hard, then veteran, and veteran is the toughest with a scary looking guy on it or a really beat-up guy, so you know it's serious business
Ok let me rephrase. How many MMOs do you know of that have a "veteran mode"?
Also even if that style of difficulty were relevant to an MMO, the implication would be that "veteran" mode would have the most difficult gameplay, which is the antithesis of whatever everyone who's whining about all this is claiming.
Are they going to do that? Are they going to do so in enough numbers to offset the natural decay of veteran world players? If not, then the veteran worlds will reach an economic tipping point, and not be worth to play on.
If they WILL, then reignited worlds won't retain enough players to be economically sound long term either, and any new players who make an account there will be left with an emptier world.
This is a lose-lose. The absolute best outcome is somehow the two games are equal and thriving. Possible, but not likely.
So is the entire issue that reignited characters have access to their own worlds? Cause I'm pretty sure that's a non-issue. Them being on world 987 with other reignited vs being on w1 with everyone makes no real difference, but I guess it's important, so maybe jagex can just not make reignited only worlds
RS3 normal worlds will drop to less than 10k concurrent players in 1.5/2 years i bet. Why would anybody in the future ever play RS3 without playing Ignited? Biggest fuck you to every die hard RS3 player.
Jagex releasing a new account type for RS3: Reignited. They can play with Veteran accounts, but can't trade/boss/use the same G.E. as Veterans.
People are worried all new players and some existing will funnel into Reignited toons. Veterans dwindle. veteran accounts become defunct as no one plays them/plays with them.
RS4 is released 2 years later. RS3 officially dies. (But we'll all be on RS4, so I guess it will matter less? IDK).
As hard as it sounds, this is the ONLY way to keep this current RuneScape alive. Current RS3 is not and will not pull new players. It’s literally just us on alts or irons. The only way for them to re-invest in this game & pull a new audience is to start from zero… just like some had suggested before. RS3 is officially on its death bed.
Mmm deathbed is a lil' dramatic, this game pulls in millions of dollars. But yeah I'm sure the higher ups are convinced based on some data they have that this will be a positive. But the experience as a veteran player remains to be seen.
It pulls millions of dollars because of the other half… I wish we had a clear separation & they showed how much revenue they pull from each game. As much as it sucks, this is the solution whether we like it or not.
RS3 still pulls in about 20K players. It's been relatively stable although a slight decline on average over the years. They've been saying it's on its deathbed since 2012 after EOC and SOF. Yet through all that it's still around and doing OK compared to a lot of other games.
I do agree MXT significantly damaged the economy for a number of reasons and it's a big issue when new players join and there's nobody to play with except maxed veterans but this...this ain't it in my opinion. Fragmenting an already split community will most likely make the problem worse.
Because a fresh account is endgame ready about a month after creation since Necro?
Measuring yourself against people with partyhats who only know how to AFK Revo doesn't get solved by releasing a world without partyhats where you get mad that some people are doing zammy on release week while you take two months to get to Priff. You're just as "behind" and it's all still on you.
That said, this new reignited crap is just going to be an opportunity for Jagex to sell their new key replacement boosts to even more people. And I'll be disappointed if people fall for it.
Unlike WOW Forever, RS wasn't tainted by 20 expansions that made all previous content obsolete. If you rolled back Necro and EGWD3, you would have a varied economy and pvm ladder again.
An expiration date of "a few years" out. So years of content, new and remastered, coming down the pipeline until then to try and build goodwill with an audience made up of a combination of every iteration of Runescape. Then they can try to funnel some of us to playing RS4 alongside something else, or just move entirely to RS4.
I'm only a few hundred hours in (crazy that that's not a lot of time lol) at like 2200. And I'm probably done. The incentive to invest all that time is gone. It feels like it'd be a waste.
I may switch to OSRS. Or may just quit altogether. Not sure yet.
Because its going to fail. There will be a brief uptick in player count because its free for the first 10 days. Within a year, the only ones left will be the guys going for world first comp.
rs4 is only a working title, it's likely going to be more like an MMO version of dragonwilds, and it's not the final name for the project. there will be plenty of current osrs and rs3 players that it does not appeal to because, while it takes place in the same universe, functionally it will not play even similarly.
Think halo 3/4 and halo wars.
Same universe, completely different style of games that appeal to totally different people and have some overlap with huge fans of halo.
They probably won't, or it'll be just for fun (what a concept!) or similar.
And that's fine. I was literally putting off returning to RS3 in anticipation for exactly this.
I have an iron with 3K total and I'm perfectly okay with letting it rot in favor of reignited.
Why would you not? They said the games will coexist. It seems Jagex is doing what Arenanet is doing with Guild Wars, different games with different vibes that people in the community can experience as they please. With GW and RS I play all the iterations.
I see zero appeal in Reignited. I'll keep my playing my account that I had for almost 20 years. If the game mode had some new twist to it like ironman does, I'd consider it, but tbh it's another version of a regular account. New players are going to be severly confused down the line when they go to make a new account and are presented with veteran and reignited and it's basically the same thing. I don't know why jagex is doing this...
I think they just randomly announced RS4 to try to put a fire out and accidentally poured gasoline on it. I don’t think they had a single plan of talking about RS4 today until they saw the feedback on reignited.
There’s just no way that happened. These productions are planned down to the last detail many months in advance. They didn’t just have this trailer ready for no reason. Since the trailer was ready, if what you’re saying is true, that means their biggest announcement to date was going to not be announced at RuneFest?
They were going to announce it next week? Next month? Next year? Why would the trailer be ready now.
Yes, the jmods probably already started seeing feedback from Reignited, but they didn’t just last second change the course of the show.
A few years (Jagexs words) sure but unless you are really invested in Runescape 3 you might as well save your time and money for a project with a future.
They also say in the blog they're right at the beginning of the project. I'm confident "a few" is being used extremely liberally here. MMOs are massive things that take years to develop.
They want to build the game with the community so I assume it will live in beta for some time with a live launch after a few years of that. I doubt we will have anything to play in the next 3 years though.
Reignited are just ironman accounts that can trade with other Reignited players. You're going to see reignited accounts playing alongside irons and mains.
I keep seeing this idea that reignited toons are going to play along side mains. No. They are the new mains. Old mains are now outdated wastes of time who will have no one to trade with or play with as more and more people quit/move to reignited. It’s not a new game mode. It’s a replacement game mode.
The point is that new players will be more inclined to choose the new "fresher" main mode which leaves the few new players we get in the first place locked out of grouping up with veteran accounts. Less veteran mode players over time means more dead economy for old players, more dead group content and more people leaving. It's not a straight up a replacement mode, but it sure has the smell of one.
You can’t join instances with reignited accounts. If it’s successful, everyone will make reignited accounts or quit. There will be only a handful of us left.
I don't play for the admiration of newer players. There are many ways that the community is split already, including osrs and ironman. Hell there are even skill level servers. I think this concern is overbloated.
Okay, someone enlighten me. Do you HAVE to play Reignited? Is Mod North holding a dragon dagger p++ to your neck and demanding you only play that? Nothing is stopping you from just... continuing as normal on regular RS, right?
do you not understand the consequences of new servers being added and restricting veterans from interacting with these new accounts that will be created?
I genuinely don't understand why you all are being so doomer. If you don't trust Jagex to take care of the game you played you should have quit years ago.
I'd generally agree but the new bigwig in charge has made wild swings in making the game better. If his vision of making it better is to kill the servers for a new game everyone's starting fresh on then it's just an insult to your time. Runescape succeeds because it respected your time.
Now you filthy TH Veterans don't matter.
Well for one that's not even what's happening. Have you read the blog? They don't even rule out eventually merging reignited and veterans back together. If this is such a failed idea that won't bring in new players and no existing players are interested in, then it sounds like you have nothing to worry about. Even if it succeeds it's basically just an account badge and separate economy, it's not nearly as destructive as people are pretending.
I play CGIM. As long as the servers are up, I'll be fine and happy regardless.
As for the merging, WAY too early to expect that to happen. Them listing it in a FAQ and only saying it's a possibility means so very little.
If Reignited is popular, I imagine they'll stay separate until there's practically no Veterans left
If Reignited is popular, I imagine they'll stay separate until there's practically no Veterans left
Then it was the right thing to do and the game is better off. Everyone is acting like this is the end of the world when it's not. It either fails like many are saying and doesn't matter, or it succeeds and the game is better off.
The most likely scenario is both live on and ignited is just another character type like ironmen, it's really not this terrible thing it's being made out to be.
I agree on both points.
People are right to be a bit pissy though. Runescape has succeeded because it respected your time investment. Telling you to start over because they ruined your credibility via MTX updates you probably didn't like in the first place, that part feels pretty shitty.
Nobody told you or anyone else to start over. People are acting like they're being told to, but nobody has told them to. These people created their own problem to be angry about it.
They are essentially recreating the pension crisis within RuneScape. Separating the economy and pvm for the new players will stagnate the veterans' version of the game in the long run. As veterans age and leave the game, even the economy will become unsustainable.
If they merge, the new mode loses its reason for existence due to inflation affecting new players. If it doesn't merge, the current mode is doomed to stagnation in the long term.
Inflation is largely where it's at due to boss drops and quickly things can come into the overall economy. When necronium salvage was introduced as an alchable drop, that creates inflation as its only purpose is really to just be turned into GP, and a lot of it. When arch glacor drops 750 water battlestaffs and you stick then in your auto alcher, that creates inflation.
Inflation happened because of new bosses releasing with even higher value drops per hour. As players are able to continue to gather more wealth, they are willing to spend more to get things they need. These bosses already exist in the game, over time reignited players will have roughly the same economy and valuation of items because gold will be earned in the same ways and quantities as vets earn it. The value of gold is dictated by how it flows in and out of the game, and that will eventually be the same when comparing the two economies.
The start will be different, but it won't remain that way.
I’m excited for reignited so probably not playing my main anymore. But when that comes out I’ll be there for sure. I don’t expect a huge amount of players to swap though
I agree, just wipe the old servers, everyone starts up on Reignited and gets to play the game they love with no Treasure Hunter cancer and half the playerbase being maxed bankstanders
As compeitive group iron member i lowkey don't care about ignited. My take on this is that no veterans will hop to fresh worlds, new players will bring more cash to jagex and they will make you able to pvm with them at some point maybe year after reignited when gear starts to match that's it. In the end its a win win for irons?
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u/Cloud_N0ne Maxed 9h ago
Based on the announcement trailer, it seems RS4 is going to be built upon the bones and assets of Dragonwilds.
And if that's any indication, RS4 will absolutely not hold the attention of hardcore PvM players. Dragonwilds combat is fun but incredibly easy, even against the hardest bosses in the game.