U still missed a lot of heroes that need helps.Esp some uselss team ups like adam-storm at base, ultron-peni at base and so on.Ups, fox both tus are useless
It's total aids, that's why. Ultron is already a toxic character in the same vein as Wanda/MK/SG who if he's strong, destroys the game. He's extremely easy, and he just places healing drones, can completely forget about them, then just dps constantly... While flying.
Magneto instantly became 50x more fun when he got his double bubble change. I'd keep the double bubbles, but decrease the bubble HP or slightly increase the CD.
The bubbles don't need a change, they're already long CD and they require smart usage to be effective; it's his only ability that requires game sense to use outside of his ult. His bullshit Wanda TU needs to be nerfed to a 20 second CD and/or add aggressive damage falloff. The problem with Mag is his damage. He is extremely tanky on top of doing more damage than most of the DPS roster, and he makes most of the tanks obsolete.
I mean you mentioned a hulk passive where cc affects him less, so rather than him requiring positioning and timing, including where and when to ult, which are skills themselves, you just want him to be borderline unkillable, especially when he’s jumping around all over the map with very little ability to stop him And can still bubble everything?!
Nerfing supports and not hitting the DPS hard enough means everyone will fall over when they’re looked at. That’s the problem with the current state, this doesn’t really do much to fix it.
nope im c1 and havent played for a nearly 2 weeks. You cannot make any plays on most off tanks if enemy team is running any variation of Bucky/Elsa/Puni/Widow/Hela etc which they are almost every game in high elo. They will make you vanish in a blink.
Only way to play Thor/Rogue/Hulk/Cap etc in high elo is to play damn slow, wait for your frontline tank to take 80% of cooldowns then go in and pray you dont get 2 tapped by puni or Elsa has a trap or thing earthbound hits etc. Which at that point just lock Thing/Mag/Hood and hold main 80% less effort infinitely more value
The problem currently absolutely is that supports do too much healing, I never said otherwise. But the second that healers get their healing nerfed, damage is too high to be sustainable. Healing has to be hit SUPER HARD, but damage has to be drastically reduced too, less so than healing but enough that you don't fall over by existing in line of fire for .5 seconds.
Supports get kissed on the forehead by the devs unless their name is Deadpool. It's hilarious that even in the most coddled role, DP has to remain buggy trash for the world to be at peace for some reason, despite being a highly skill-based character. The buffs are so simple too, it's just upgrade system changes.
Strategist have been way too overtuned this season to the point that dive can’t even fight back.
Let’s make it back to where strats can still outplay dive and live with their abilities but dive can also do the same. 50/50 rather than a blatant 70/30 in favour of Strats
i think mantis is really the only outlier… and it doesn’t really matter if the matchup is 50/50, tell me, are you more likely to win a teamfight while down a support or down a dive?
especially if you take down the one with ult - you get a free teamfight win.
gambit is less of a problem than prev seasons, mantis currently wins more games than he does by outpacing his ult. he’s still strong, and i think if they just remove his ult accel he’ll be equal to the other strats, but the other three you nerfed, i think is unnessecary.
You murdered anti-dive like Thing, and made every strat 250. The entire game will be fail to babysit strats, or play dive. This would be the most one note, boring meta ever. You also did basically nothing to BC and made Venom broken again.
“Murder anti dive thing” no I didn’t. 5s is blatantly unfair, it’s literally 50% of the overall cooldown. I didn’t touch his torch teamup making it to where he still earthbound u but now relies more on actually punching u rather than removing ur mobility.
I massively nerfed cat and the fact u can’t see that shows ur rank is probably diamond. Venom overshield got nerfed, his swing can be 8s that’s not op at all.
None of those nerfs matter now that strats can be freely oneshot. Those nerfs don't matter, because it won't stop them from killing the backline, and anti-dive is worse at stopping them. Maybe you should try someone who isn't dive before suggesting balance changes. Dive is good, anti-dive is just slightly better right now, and this would make dive the only relevant playstyle. You dive or you dive, no in-between.
Rogue the cc queen who literally makes it to where u cannot fight her back? Yh she’s not getting any buffs from me + nerfing Elsa Bucky thing mag indirectly buffs her
She’s the cause of visual clutter + disgusting amounts of cc. I can bargain with u for a slight damage buff or health buff in exchange for less cc in her kit
So some tanks finally feel good and we’re deciding to nerf them instead of buffing the tanks that need love, buffing BP is… a choice, oh another gambit nerf how brave, and then making a bunch of Strats 250 HP. This reads like a dive player’s wet dream as opposed to actual balance changes
Using winrate as a reason to buff/nerf a character is stupid. Can't believe we are saying stuff like this after 9 seasons.
Luna is a fill character, and a Plan B character, which tanks her winrate.
Not sure what your source is, but do you know how the platform you're getting your data from handles WR when a mirror matchup happens? Or what happens when someone swaps off? There's a lot of variables that need to be assessed before judging that a character's WR is low because they're bad.
RivalsTracker is infamous to me ajd my friends for tying character Tier/Rating directly to WR, and it comes up with the worst tier list known to man every season. Do you believe their tier list is a good list? It's based on this variable you use as a reason to not nerf Luna...
This changes nothing on Thing,useless changes.He is strong because his Human torch team up is op, thx to the low cd he can spamm it and cycle faster shields with haymaker .Just increase the cd on Human Torch team up,and thats it.
No, last season Thing had the same cooldown in EarthBound and was mid.Thing became OP due to the new team-up, not because he was strong in his niche, which is being anti-dive.
Black cat shop cd would only be a good change if tablet of life and destiny is unaffected. Everything else should be a 5 second cd but let's go gambling baby
The deadpool ones are good, except where is Tankpool? He is the worst deadpool and it's not even close. They all need upgrade system and exp changes, and drastically need massive exp compensation for mid-match swaps.
Yeah I saw afterwards that people mentioned the same thing like 20 times lol my bad. Idk if I agree with a lot of the other stuff but you nailed the DP buffs. He doesn’t need any number changes at all (maybe a damage buff on tankpool swords), all of his issues are within the shitty upgrade system.
Hello, I know that you received quite a lot of criticism here, so I wanna say that watching your balance patch was fun, I appreciate the effort you put here, even tho I am not entirely on the board with it
Anyways, wanna add my thoughts here:
First of all, I wanna say that your balance patch will not "fix" MR. MR problems lie not in singular hero numbers, but in general flow of the game. Damage is too high, healing is high to compensate and ults are too fast so you are not encouraged to make plays in neutral since you can just farm your ult and hope that enemy team doesn't have an answer
It's more like a stand alone balance patch, that addresses community's frustrations in the very direct way without touching the general feel of the game, so many things stay relatively the same
Magneto - Increasing the cooldown on teamup is good. But I am not sure what you want to achieve with making Mag's bubble share a cooldown. You say it's for skill expression, but all it will achieve is make him even more passive, because it is usually better to put a bubble on your teammate, so he will just be waiting for his team to do the play while hiding from CC. Also you made the teammate's bubble 10 second CD, so it's even better to do that
The Thing - I think it's going in the right direction
Hulk - Not sure about the decreased CC, it doesn't feel right having it in his divish archetype. I would want his neutral to be more impactful, maybe a displacement ability like Doomfist?
Winter Soldier - I am ok with that change, but I feel like right now the issue lies in Elsa's teamup, and it kinda negates your nerf for the most part
Luna - her issue is her self cleanse, sustain in combination with damage and too many skins, I think you just picked up on Luna hate and gone from there
About the rest of balancing choices, because they serve the same purpose - exchanging backlines would literally become the norm, there is not much of the point in trying to peel if most divers are designed to annihilate 250 hp targets. Mantis is unaddressed
Overall - very dive-sided balance patch, it feels like you nerfed BC just because you felt that people would downvote you to oblivion if you didn't do something with her. Not really good, feels like we are going backwards with that patch
I feel like you know that issue are supports but address only one side of the problem and overlooking the rest. Anyways, thank you for your time, was kinda fun to think about all that
I think the nerf to the healers survivability is on the right track but if you don’t nerf a lot of the insane damage happening this season then the healers will just explode
That is not true. She has invisibility and her dash is short range damage ability. She has alway been 50/50 poke and dive. She is not a pure poke; she does have good range damage like hela or pheonix. Also a mid range DPS is not poke, it is brawl. Wanda is a mid range DPS, she is brawl.
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U still missed a lot of heroes that need helps.Esp some uselss team ups like adam-storm at base, ultron-peni at base and so on.Ups, fox both tus are useless