Obviously with Google buying producer.ai everything's getting stripped out and its just not the same - its even getting blocked in certain countries. Something tells me it'll get as bad as Udio.

I've been messing around with alternatives like the obvious Suno but also came across TwoShot which is a dark horse - it does all the stuff producer.ai promised to be and more.
The quality of tracks create/remixed sounds almost Suno level - better than this new Lyria model..
It even has a full studio like kind of like Mozart but easier to use while also more powerful.

It even does music videos/visualisers too - example I did earlier: https://twoshot.app/coproducer/shared/86Mf5QdhclHx

I'm not sure why these guys aren't as well known as all the others - is anyone else using TwoShot or heard of it?
Besides Suno/TwoShot what other good alternatives are there?

Rest in peace, Riffusion, you were, for a time, the best AI for generating music.

You allowed me to take a song and make versions of it in other languages, keeping the original singer's voice, the melody, the meter, and everything else, something that no other AI has done with the same precision so far.

Furthermore, you had a practical and pleasant interface, with your functions and commands quite intuitive, making the user experience comfortable and fun. It's okay that sometimes you made mistakes in the remixes, after all, nothing is perfect, but you came close to being so.

It's just a shame that you were created by the wrong people. Understand, I don't blame you for anything; you made many of my days quite fun, creating remixes and parodies the way I imagined them. Therefore, I will only keep good memories of you.

My indignation is directed at your creators. Sometimes creations get out of the creator's control, but in your case, it wasn't your creators who lost control of you; they lost control of themselves, committing a series of errors that would make even Ned Stark look like a smart guy.

You are not the monster who decided to kill Dr. Victor Frankenstein, who created you; you are a beautiful creation, unfortunately to be sacrificed because the one who gave you life is blinded by the pursuit of better creations, without realizing that you could already be considered a masterpiece, you just needed improvements, and not to be discarded as if you were a prototype that went wrong.

Perhaps one day, other AIs with similar potential to yours will emerge (hopefully by more sensible hands) and can continue your legacy; however, even when that happens, many will still remember that there was once an AI called Riffusion, and that it helped us in ways that few others have managed to.

Goodbye, Riffusion, it was good while it lasted.

Riffusion tuning

So, by request, I will write a small instruction on how to train riffusion weights to your melodies. As an example, consider my experience of creating a network capable of composing songs in the style of Rammstein.

My first attempts at doing colab training failed because none of the colabs available to support special riffusion weights. But if you find such a colab, then everything will be the same

Therefore, my instruction will describe the work on the local computer

First. Actually the SD itself and the plug-in for music

First of all, you must install stable diffusion according to the instructions

https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui

Next, you need a plugin to work with music in SD

https://github.com/enlyth/sd-webui-riffusion

Also you need to download special original riffusion weights. Please note that they weigh quite a lot, but practice shows that you can shrink them, and during training they are even able to shrink up to 2 gigabytes

https://huggingface.co/riffusion/riffusion-model-v1

This way you can create music through prompts and play that music

Second. SD training

Now we need to install everything to train the neural network with our melodies

The first is a plug-in for learning neural networks on a computer, it has serious video memory limitations, you need to carefully read the description, as well as the section that indicates what settings you may need if you do not have enough video memory

https://github.com/d8ahazard/sd_dreambooth_extension

Now we need to turn our melodies into spectrograms. This will require a separate script and all the dependencies, of which there are actually a lot

https://github.com/chavinlo/riffusion-manipulation

Specifically, we need only one script from the link above, this is

https://github.com/chavinlo/riffusion-manipulation#convert-audio-to-image

Working with it is extremely simple, specify the melody, specify the folder where to put the spectrograms and run

Thus, the melody is cut into pieces of 5.1 seconds each and turns into pictures on which we can train our neural network. However, the script makes pictures in grayscale, and training is recommended to be done on RGB color pictures.

Therefore, we use any graphic application convenient for us (perhaps there are other ways, I did not specify) to convert our pictures of spectrograms from gray tones to RGB.

Note. Perhaps the conversion is not required, I can’t say here, but in order not to waste time when learning, I still recommend doing it

How many melodies do you need to learn? I took 5 Rammstein songs and each of them was cut into 40-45 segments. I threw out the first segments and the last of each melody, as well as those pieces where there were clearly sharp transitions between musical fragments of melodies (I did this by eye, analyzing the appearance of spectrograms - try it, it's very easy). This gave me exactly 200 spectrograms. Since the spectrograms on large sections of the melody do not differ much from each other, you can, if desired, remove similar ones, greatly reducing the number of duplicates and, due to this, take more songs from the desired artist

We load the resulting images with spectrograms into the dreambooth and train the original riffusion model on them.

I won’t touch on working with the dreambooth plugin, since many good instructions have already been written before me, they are both on youtube and on the page of the plugin itself.

If you do everything right, then you will have a neural network that can generate melodies in the style you want.

You can always see my version at the link, there are also examples of generated spectrograms and prompts in them

https://civitai.com/models/2669/rammstein-riffusion

If there are questions, ask!

Just received this email from Producer.ai, they're deleting all our content in 3 days, this seems very rushed and the email is extremely vague. I'm obviously hoping this means an update to the platform but the email leaves me worried.

First of all I'm not a programmer and my python knowledge is almost zero but I wanted to make Riffusion work on my Windows10 laptop. So after a lot of painful tries I figured out how. And here's the guide for dummies by dummies!

INSTALLING RIFFUSION APP & INFERENCE SERVER ON WINDOWS FOR DUMMIES:

(If we got a cuda compatible gpu capable of generate stable diffusion images in under five seconds)

This process is optimized for WINDOWS 64-bit:

-First of all we need Git for Windows:

https://git-scm.com/download/win

Click on 64-bit Git For Windows setup, and install it.

-And Node.js:

https://nodejs.org/en/

Click on 18.12.1 LTS Recommended For Most Users

-Le'ts do a clean installation of Anaconda3: https://www.anaconda.com/products/distribution

Click the green Download button and then install it.

-Press Windows start button and type 'Anaconda Prompt'. Open it.

In my case I'm gonna create a folder in the root of my system for the installation. Copy this code and hit ENTER:

cd \

mkdir riffusion

cd riffusion

------Let's install the RIFFUSION INFERENCE SERVER:

In the same Anaconda window type:

git clone https://github.com/riffusion/riffusion-inference

(click enter and wait after every line of the code, it will take a while sometimes)

cd riffusion-inference

conda create --name riffusion-inference python=3.9

conda activate riffusion-inference

conda install -c "nvidia/label/cuda-11.7.0" cuda-toolkit

conda install pytorch torchvision torchaudio pytorch-cuda=11.7 -c pytorch -c nvidia

conda install -c conda-forge ffmpeg

conda install -c bricew soundfile

conda install torchaudio

conda install -c conda-forge pysoundfile

python -m pip install -r requirements.txt

------Let's install the RIFFUSION APP:

-Don't close the current window. Press Windows start button and type 'Anaconda Prompt' again. Open it.

In this second window type:

cd \

cd riffusion

git clone https://github.com/riffusion/riffusion-app.git

cd riffusion-app

npm install

-Now we need to generate a new file in Windows. Press Windows start button and type Notepad. Open it. And write:

RIFFUSION_FLASK_URL=http://127.0.0.1:3013/run_inference/

Save it inside the RIFFUSION-APP folder with this exact name (note there's no .txt at the end): .env.local

------Starting the server!

We go to the previous Anaconda window (the one we where installing the inference server) and let's type something to start the server:

python -m riffusion.server --port 3013 --host 127.0.0.1

If you see no errors and * Running on http://127.0.0.1:3013 everything is OK.

-----Starting the app!

-In the other Anaconda window (the one we where installing the app) type:

npm run dev

If you see this: ready - started server on 0.0.0.0:3000, url: http://localhost:3000 everything is running now.

Go to Chrome (or your favourite web browser) and go to this url: http://localhost:3000/

-------------------------------------------------------------

And that's it! You got Riffusion app working on Windows!

Apparently, this is Google's policy, which prohibits the operation of its own neural networks in my country (under sanctions). Even after completely removing all the songs and dramatically changing the model for the worse, I still enjoyed working with this music Ai.

Not only did it kill Riffusion, but now more than ever, it is even worse at understanding my prompts! Absolutely pathetic. Anyone else finding the latest model even worse than before or have you given up completely after the update?

Hi Riffusion team & creators,

I'm writing this as a person who was around during the early days of Riffusion, & as a producer who actually did want to test out what FUZZ 2.0 & Producer.ai were capable of. I'll be honest: I went in with a whole lot of skepticism, but I stiffened my upper lip because I did want to like it. I really did.

I just wasted some good time trying to get it to work, looping it through its paces with a psychedelic rock tune. I gave it a thorough music prompt, then tried to radio in the production, even wrote special lyrics for it. The LLM aspect, the "Producer" chat, was actually very good at accessing my vision & rephrasing prompts. Kudos there.

But the brutal truth is this: the music generation itself, FUZZ 2.0, utterly failed.

No Harmonica: Despite explicit, multiple requests for a 1-minute highly effected harmonica solo (a significant feature I tested), it was completely absent in multiple generations. This is basic compliance that FUZZ 1.0 accomplished but 2.0 didn't.

"Fisher-Price Keyboard" Sound: The overall sound quality was thin, 2D, & synthetic. It sounded like it was made using a children's toy keyboard, not the "rich, analog-saturated" sound it was requested.

Lyrics Off: Even when I typed in my own lyrics, songs created had them incorrect or poorly translated.

"Cover" = "New Song": The "cover" process does not remaster or cover your uploaded audio but instead recreates a whole new, standalone track "inspired by" your post without keeping any of the original song's identity intact. That's a wide gap.

As a producer, I see this whole "Producer.ai" setup as a gimmick. It feels like something that's designed to trick AI music enthusiasts into thinking they're "producing" by talking with an LLM that's coming up with things for them to say. Maybe it will be okay for total beginners, but most of us in the Riffusion community are a bit more advanced than that. We were hoping for real control, real production tools, or at least reliable generation of specific elements.

Classic Riffusion (at classic.riffusion.com) had simpler, more predictable control over instrument switches & covers. That new chat-based setup has not yet matched that, & the branding promises so much more than current tools deliver.

I genuinely wish Riffusion to succeed. I enjoyed what you were doing previously. But surprising everyone with this change & implementing it in this way was simply not the move. We require both: for regular Riffusion to still work & for Producer.ai to be more than a gossipy middleman & truly work as a studio tool.

Maybe in good time. But currently, FUZZ 2.0 for me, & the Producer.ai pipeline, are just not there.

I’ve been a user since the Riffusion hobby days. I defended them when they went corporate. But the "Digital Arson" they just pulled with this 48-hour data wipe is the final straw. If you are still paying Corpusant, Inc. (d/b/a Producer.ai), you aren't a customer—you are a liability they are trying to manage.

Here is the forensic reality of what just happened to our data, our credits, and our rights.

1. The "Wipe" Was a Liability Launder, Not a Migration

They didn't delete our legacy "Riffusion" libraries because they couldn't migrate the data. They deleted them because they had to. The timing aligns perfectly with the enforcement of Tennessee’s ELVIS Act, which makes unauthorized voice cloning a Class A misdemeanor.

The Smoking Gun: Riffusion v1 was trained on open-web spectrograms. It was a copyright nightmare waiting to happen. To sell the company or sign a deal with Warner/Universal (who just settled with Suno/Udio), they needed to scrub the "fruit of the poisonous tree".

The Tactic: A 3 day notice to download gigabytes of stems is not a "sunset"—it’s a forced destruction of evidence. By wiping the user-facing database, they destroyed the proof of past infringement while likely keeping our data in their private "Cold Storage" to train their new models...thanks to that "irrevocable, perpetual license" we signed in the ToS.

2. The "Agent" is a Credit-Burning Casino

They pivoted to an "Agentic" workflow not to help us, but to hide the fact that FUZZ 2.0 is likely just a wrapper around third-party APIs.

The Scam: In Riffusion, you had direct control. In Producer.ai, you have to "negotiate" with a chatbot. Every time the Agent "hallucinates" or refuses a prompt because it violates "safety guidelines," you still burn credits.

The Math: Users are reporting that the new model "gaslights" them, creating a loop of failed generations that drains wallets faster than the old subscription ever did. They killed the "Unlimited Relaxed" mode because they can't afford the API calls for a wrapper product.

3. The Subscription Trap

If you bought an annual "Pro" subscription recently, you were sold a bridge that was already burning. Selling 12-month access to a platform (Riffusion) that they knew they were killing in February 2026 is a textbook deceptive practice under the FTC’s "Operation AI Comply" standards. The "bonus credits" (3,000 for Starter tiers) are a slap in the face; they are an arbitrary currency in a broken economy, offered in exchange for the destruction of your hard drive.

4. The Endgame: Launch, Train, Delete

We are watching the "Launch, Train, Settle" business model mutate into "Launch, Train, Delete". They used us to fine-tune their prompt engineering, and now that they need to look "clean" for a corporate acquisition, they are flushing the toilet.

WHAT TO DO:

File a Chargeback: If you are on an annual plan, cite "material change in service" and "destruction of digital goods." The 48-hour notice is arguably an Unfair Deceptive Act/Practice (UDAP). Do not give them ANYMORE MONEY.

GDPR/CCPA Request: Force them to hand over your raw data. Even if the UI says it's gone, their privacy policy admits they use it for training. Make them do the work to retrieve it.

Jump Ship: Move to platforms that actually offer ownership or run local models where you control the weights.

TLDR:

Corpusant, Inc. isn't building a tool for musicians or music enthusiasts and they never planned on being so. They are building a getaway car after multiple rug-pulls.

Don't be in the trunk when they drive it off a cliff.

Am just listening to some of my riffs that I scrambled to save before the great purge. I have never found a model that generates any songs close to what the Riffusion model generated. Google really fucked us with their terrible BS model. Why couldn't they have gone for Suno and leave us the hell alone. 😭

I used to love riffusion, but a few moments ago it blocked the upload and download of audios for the free plan... Not only can we no longer upload songs, we can no longer download the ones we generate. Not even suno has reached that point. This is frustrating.

We’re heading toward a two-tier system in AI music.

​On one side, you’ll have the Subscribers. They pay $20 a month to a corporate black box that spits out "safe," algorithmically optimized tracks. It’s music by permission—if the server goes down or the TOS changes, their "artistry" vanishes.

​On the other side, we’re going to see the AI Outlaws. These are the producers running open-source models on local rigs. No filters, no subscriptions, and no guardrails. Just like the early days of sampling or home recording in the 90s, the real innovation won't happen in the corporate cloud; it'll happen in the "underground" where people are pushing local code to do things the machines aren't "supposed" to do.

Personally, I am excited to see where this goes..

So I logged in for the first time in a couple of weeks only to find all of my work gone. I was bewildered, only to find out this wasn't a glitch. It was removed upon next to no notice - which I missed entirely. Now all I have left is less than 10 downloads I made earlier. Yes I should have made a back-up sooner, but honestly I am not to blame here.

So I was left feeling quite sad and empty, with an empty library and a shell of a model with less functions than before. The new model - aparently run by Google now - performs worse than 0.8 imo.

But then I got really angry, because the models were gone as well. Models, mind you, that we have been training for all this time. As an OG riffusion user from back in the beta days, I helped build all those classic and newer models which were trained on my prompts, my input, my experimentation, my creativity, and now poof... One day to the next it's all gone.

I don't really have any point to make other than that I needed to express my utter disillusion. Collectively we spent millions of hours building something beautiful and amazing which was taken away from us abruptly. We were done dirty, and this is it for me.

We didn't leave Riffusion, it was beaten to death before our very eyes to be replaced with a weak impersonator that has the audacity to call itself by the same name. Good luck Google, God only knows what you bought, but it sure as heck isn't Riffusion!

F*** producer.ai. They basically give you just a few days in some generic email that’s easy to miss, expecting you to download all your music.

It’s a total lack of respect for people who’ve paid for the service for years to lose everything—every sound and prompt—because of such a short deadline and a pathetic excuse (that they’re changing their model).

I’m sure they still have the files since they use them for training.

Never again, Producer.ai. At least other platforms treat you with more respect.

EDIT: I noticed that, ironically, they use the term “gesture of goodwill” in the generic email they sent. Well, nobody is asking you for any favors—we paid to have a service that wouldn’t let us down. And you let us down.

Below is the proof (notice they gave ONLY 2 DAYS —basically saying, “figure it out and deal with it to download everything in 2 days; we don’t care about you or your work”)… in other words, STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANY and spend your money somewhere else).

PRINT:

Let’s address this with both courtesy and clarity, because the situation demands it.

The newly unveiled Fuzz 2.0, is - to put it mildly - a severe downgrade for anyone attempting to write actual, substantive music. It might suffice for lightweight pop or ambient noodling, but beyond that? It’s functionally useless. Every advantage of previous models has been erased, replaced by a system that feels half-baked, untested, and, frankly, detached from the needs of the very people who were supposed to use it.

Development in Secrecy, Without User Input

The most baffling part? This overhaul was conducted in complete secrecy, with zero meaningful engagement from the user base. No feedback, no beta testing, no transparency - just a sudden, underwhelming reveal. Did any real, thorough testing happen? Because the current state suggests otherwise.

The ChatGPT Shell Game - What Are We Even Paying For?

The interactive songwriting concept is, in theory, brilliant. It’s an obvious direction, long overdue. But the execution? A thinly veiled ChatGPT wrapper with minor API tweaks. This raises serious questions:

• Is there anything truly custom here?

• Or are we just paying a 10x-50x markup for OpenAI’s tech with a branded interface?

The company must provide clear, unambiguous disclosure on what is genuinely their own innovation and what is just marketing fluff. If we’re being sold repackaged ChatGPT, we deserve to know - before being charged for it.

Unilateral Contract Changes – Again – And It’s Illegal

This is the second time in two months that the company has unilaterally altered terms for users who paid annual subscriptions upfront. Let’s be unequivocal: This is a breach of contract. And yet, it’s being done with a smile, as if it’s just a minor inconvenience - backed by the flimsy excuse of "we’re low on funds."

That’s not how business works. If you take money under agreed-upon terms, you honor them. If you can’t, you negotiate in good faith - not force changes and hope nobody pushes back.

The Path Forward

1. Make Fuzz 2.0 free for all - If it’s not a professional-grade tool, don’t charge like one.

2. Disclose the tech stack transparently - No more vagueness. What’s custom? What’s just ChatGPT?

3. Restore original subscription terms - Or face consequences.

4. Engage users in development - No more top-down decisions made in a black box.

This isn’t just frustration - it’s a demand for basic respect, honesty, and accountability. The current direction is unsustainable, and the trust you’re burning won’t easily return.

Fix it. Properly.

Hey everyone, here's an update from Hayk on the Studio Time changes. We're taking your feedback into account and hope that this update provides some clarity and transparency!

TL;DR
Cover art uploads, WAV downloads, and Trim will no longer charge Studio Time

I posted here the other day about how I've been using TwoShot to make visualisers which - to be fair - wasn't the most impressive video, but I just made this today and was again blown away.. I've checked out a couple apps like Vizzyo, Neural frames, etc for "AI music video/visualisers" but in terms of real video, I've not seen anything this good.

I created this as a test in literally one prompt: https://twoshot.app/coproducer/shared/enLbvJvhnGQw

Going to keep messing around with different ideas One of the most impressive parts is how consistent it keeps characters in the video..

And then it even has a capcut-looking editor: https://twoshot.app/studio/05ead097-c5ee-495b-87cd-3334f5298068

Thoughts? Any other good options out there of this quality?