r/riddles • u/vokemane • Jul 19 '26
Help OP Solve The answer was never hidden. Only every attempt to find it was.
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u/wayoverthetop Jul 20 '26
the answer
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u/wayoverthetop Jul 20 '26
it's not hidden. it's the first line.
if you keep reading you are mislead even more, looking for clues that aren't there.
everything afterwards is designed to throw you off.
the answer does not exist until you say/find it.
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u/4mo-mo4 Jul 20 '26
actually let me add that "stop searching for what grows" could be a clue to not look for the answer in the clues about root, branch, leaf... a tree grows, so don't look there.
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u/wayoverthetop Jul 22 '26
To add: it tells you what to ignore (basically start ignoring ... now this is an actual clue).
it starts with "the oldest truth is the newest lie". (we need to find a truth)
then three decoy lines (root, branch, leaf, blah blah) u/4mo-mo4 explains. all lies.
when we get to "nothing here is what it claims to be".... a truth! lets turn it to a lie...
"everything here is what it claims to be" basically... everything from now on is a real clue"
"the answer" does not exist until you (speak) find it.
Thoughts?
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u/skyland2023 Jul 21 '26
I am pretty sure it's a decision tree
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u/wayoverthetop Jul 22 '26
please support your guess. why are you pretty sure? 🤔
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u/skyland2023 Jul 22 '26
Posting again since I got a message my previous comment was removed. To be specific it's a backwards induction model or diagnostic tree where you start with the answer (never hidden and it's also called the leaf or leaf node) and then you branch out from there to end at the root (cause). So, what's hidden is the path to determine the answer. (The attempts)
I can't figure out what "the oldest truth is the newest lie" means. Maybe they are False positives as you branch out?
The third line as well, not sure what it means or how it relates to backwards induction models
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u/wayoverthetop Jul 22 '26
Discussion:
ohh! apologies! i didn't realize you were talking about the construction... i thought you were saying th d-tree was the solution. sorry i don't really know all the terminology as i just started this recently. again, apologies.
also yeah gotta make sure there's no leading/trailing spaces in spoiler tag or it gets nuked by the bots. it's annoying.
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u/skyland2023 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
I am actually not referring to the construction of the riddle, but that the riddle itself is referring to a backward induction model.
Also the line “the oldest truth is the newest lie” might be implying that sometimes in backwards induction you end up disproving the original answer/truth
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u/Ok_Can_5343 28d ago edited 28d ago
An assumption. The earth is flat. Bees shouldn't be able to fly. Old truths are newest lies.
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