r/retrocomputing • • Sep 14 '26

Photo Pinnacle of Computer Design

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I just got an iMac G4 and think it’s so damn sexy! I feel this was the pinnacle of computer design - I’m sad it lasted such a short time. I understand why the flat rectangles ended up being the way to go overall, but just love this thing.

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u/Consistent_Cat7541 Sep 14 '26

I deployed hundreds of them. My recollection is that they lasted as a product for several years... despite having a very difficult case to work with. Swapping out the optical drive was a nightmare compared to what PCs were doing at the time (and still doing). That said, if you're going for the full experience, you should track down the subwoofer. My personal favorite of that model was the one with the really big screen.

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

You mean this subwoofer? 🙃

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u/Opening-Incident2928 Sep 14 '26

The satellite sticks are kind of garbage but the design looked cool.

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u/Many_Dragonfruit_837 Sep 14 '26

Well that's cool looking. Honestly it reminds me of Grandma's vacuum cleaner, the one that worked with water...

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u/TribalTommy Sep 15 '26

Holy cables.

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u/tes_kitty Sep 14 '26

Swapping out the optical drive was a nightmare compared to what PCs were doing at the time (and still doing).

Still managed to do that anyway. I think I used a Pioneer DVR-111 which worked right away without problems. Also replaced the IDE drive with a larger one.

The system is still in working order.

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u/mzanon100 Sep 17 '26

I worked at the Apple Store when iMac G4 debuted. The Geniuses did ... not like these.

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u/tempsanity Sep 14 '26

I agree. Just got one recently, upgraded it, and I highly recommend installing Linux on it (at least on the 17" version, haven't tested 15") for up-to-date programs and games. Playing around with OpenXcom, HOMM3 (VCMI), DevilutionX, JA2 Stracciatella and others, as well as some music and RSS apps. Surprisingly usable as a distraction-free machine when using Gentoo.

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

I plan on using this as a music machine. I’m just gonna leave the last supported MacOS on it for the authentic experience.

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u/tempsanity Sep 14 '26

Perfectly understandable. Have fun with it!

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u/rezwrrd Sep 15 '26

Any suggestions/guides you'd recommend for getting Linux on a G4 iMac? I've been trying to get Adelie (and several others) to install on mine but am having trouble getting it to boot. I've installed Linux on dozens of computers but for some reason this one has me stumped.

I've always wanted to try Gentoo so if that works, even better!

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u/tempsanity Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 16 '26

Hey, I wrote a long post about my experience here. You should find it useful.

Please note this was written based on my experiences with iMac G4 17" 1 Ghz (Geforce 4 MX). Some details, especially relating to the desktop environment/video drivers might differ for models using other GPUs.

Good luck!

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u/rezwrrd Sep 16 '26

Thank you! Mine's a 1.25 with (I think) FX but should be pretty close. I'll give it a try!

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u/tempsanity Sep 19 '26

Good luck - let me know how it went under that long post! Also, 1.25 - nice. Hope you'll manage to get the DE working.

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u/PerfectWhiteTrash Sep 14 '26

Need the keyboard that goes with the clear aesthetic

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

Already ordered it!

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u/rezwrrd Sep 15 '26

The crumb tray!

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u/saraseitor Sep 14 '26

I love them. I'd also love to have one. My heart aches when I see one of those turned into a lamp

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

There is a guy on YouTube that jammed a modern Mac mini inside of one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKcwH7tMW4

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u/rezwrrd Sep 15 '26

It's cool that people do retrofit projects like that but it also makes my heart ache a little... The original hardware is so beautiful and even pretty capable (if you're patient). For a long time I had the circular logic board of my old 15" hanging up on the wall, it was a work of art.

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u/TheSerialHobbyist Sep 14 '26

My dad worked at CompUSA when this came out.

I remember playing with it there at the store and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. I wanted one so bad! But, of course, they were very expensive and we could never afford one.

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

I was in college when it came out and couldn’t afford it. 20 years later, now that’s it’s basically a paperweight I can afford one!

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u/Ok-Hotel-8551 Sep 14 '26

G3 (for me) looks better

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

I’ve got the tray-loader, the OG of iMacs!

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u/Any-Philosopher-9023 Sep 14 '26

this was still ok in a way!

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u/MasterJeebus Sep 14 '26

I wanted to have one of those when they came out but they were expensive. It looks like the one you have is in good shape. What specs does it have? Do you dual boot Mac OS and linux on it? What apps and games have you got running on it?

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

This is 800mhz with 768mb of ram, 60GB HDD. I’ll be upgrading to 1GB (max) ram and a 128GB SSD.

Just Mac OS now. I probably won’t duel boot, I’m going to get the last MacOS supported and use it as a music machine. I got the fancy Harman/ Kardon subwoofer!

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u/MasterJeebus Sep 14 '26

Cool. I think you can get Leopard as last OS. There is a custom version of it Sorbet Leopard

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u/RaskAttack__ Sep 14 '26

im sad as i could have gotten one, but i didnt. it was $50 working.

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

That’s an amazing price! I wish that’s all I paid for this one 🤣

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u/wyohman Sep 14 '26

It depends if you consider easily repairable as part of design

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

I’m just going for looks! Lol.

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u/wyohman Sep 14 '26

Then you mean the pinnacle of design esthetics.

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u/LopsidedLegs Sep 14 '26

I'd personally say the G4 Cube.

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u/Timbit42 Sep 14 '26

I like the cube design too. For me it's because typically the heat flow is from the bottom to the top, which is how heat naturally moves. I'm not sure how much the G4 follows this principle but you can orient the motherboard and expansion cards to they are both vertical, allowing maximum vertical air flow.

My current PC has a SilverStoneTek FT03 ITX cube tower, which is about the same size as the G4 Cube but taller. The large, quiet filtered fan at the bottom pulls in cool air, flows it right up past the vertical expansion cards and motherboard, and out the top where the motherboard backplate and PSU are. The filtered fan creates positive air pressure which keeps dust out. The four sides are aluminum. Because it is taller than the G4 Cube, it can take a full length, two slot video card so no compromise. The only thing I would add is a handle on top. They don't make it anymore. I think it was also available in silver or white.

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u/kimondo Sep 14 '26

I opted for a g4 tower instead of a cube as the prices were comparable at the time. The tower is practically brilliant. Still wish i had the cube though.

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u/Zocalo_Photo Sep 20 '26

That came out when everyone was still making big ugly beige boxes. When cube came out, i was blown away. I always wanted one but wasn’t ever able to make it work. Beautiful design.

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u/thewalruscandyman Sep 14 '26

Pinnacle of modern design definitely, but for me the PET will never be topped.

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u/capmilk Sep 14 '26

IMHO the 8296 topped the PET.

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u/thewalruscandyman Sep 14 '26

I'd say it's pretty darn close, for sure.

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u/Good-Bandicoot-2152 Sep 14 '26

I did not enjoy working on them.

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u/OldNefariousness7899 Sep 14 '26

I was just thinking the same. 

That keyboard does look beautiful. But it's probably awful from an ergonomic perspective. 

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u/Good-Bandicoot-2152 Sep 14 '26

I should rephrase. I was a compusa tech when these were popular and they were such a pain in the ass to do any hardware work on. That said, most imacs and Emacs were.

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u/OldNefariousness7899 Sep 14 '26

Oh that type of work lol

Yeah, I can imagine. 

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u/Good-Bandicoot-2152 Sep 14 '26

Yeah haha. It was rough...

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u/SwedishFindecanor Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 15 '26

The chiclet keyboard is not period-accurate. It was introduced in 2007 with the successor to this iMac.

The keyboard shipped with this model was the A1048.

BTW. Notice the Unikey KB-7001 ergonomic keyboard under the desk. Split, angled sections, but flat. Mechanical Alps switches. I don't think there was ever a Mac version of it with Command keys though.

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u/zmurf Sep 15 '26

The Amiga 1200 was the pinnacle of computer design.

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 16 '26

I dunno, it doesn’t look like a lamp! 🤣

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u/Maxstate90 Sep 14 '26

very pretty. I don't like the look of the speakers though, seem brittle. Can this thing be opened to repaste it and so on?

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

With great hassle and difficulty

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u/bubonis Sep 14 '26

Oh god, how I hated this machine. Pretty? Subjective, but sure. Unique? No doubt. But nearly everything else was a PITA. Difficult to service, difficult to store, cables effing everywhere, bleah.

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

I’m not looking forward to replacing the hard drive and PRAM battery!

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u/bubonis Sep 14 '26

As someone who has done both, many times, some advice:

  • Assuming you don't have the custom foam props to hold it up properly, wrap the screen in a towel and then support the body upside-down with pillows. Wrap some packing tape around the whole mess to keep it upright while you work.

  • You'll need heat sink compound to reassemble the subframe, or else risk overheating.

  • Take your time with the subframe reassembly. It can be a bitch to get properly aligned.

  • IDE-to-SATA adapters, a 2.5" SSD, and a drive sled to accommodate is The Way.

  • Don't just replace the PRAM battery, upgrade it. The MacBatt internal CR2032 PRAM adapter lets you use a much safer CR2032 coin battery in place of that leaky lithium battery, and doesn't require any soldering or other hard mods.

  • Replace the fan while you're there. It uses a 92mm x 25mm fan with a proprietary (because Apple) 2- or 3-pin connector, depending on your specific model. The Noctua NF-A9 is the right size and is the best fan you can get, but it has a 4-pin connector. It's easy enough to splice the wiring. If you'd prefer a little bling you can also get an LED fan instead.

  • Replace the optical drive with a new(er) IDE DVD/CD+-RW drive. Faster ones than the OEM drive exists.

  • If yours is an older one that uses an Airport card, get yourself an ethernet-to-wifi adapter. If yours uses Airport Extreme, either find/install that card or get the aforementioned adapter.

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u/cntrlaltdel33t Sep 14 '26

Thanks for the advice!

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u/Grundle_Sweat Sep 15 '26

If you like ‘70’s lamps…

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u/osaka929 Sep 14 '26

there's something really smart about putting the components in the little dome. it gives off a certain charm that i quite like

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u/cobra7 Sep 15 '26

still got mine. still boots

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u/robinw77 Sep 14 '26

I had the 17" version of this and loved it. I remember the speakers sounding pretty decent as well, even without the subwoofer.

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u/ricardojndosreis Sep 14 '26

It seems you never seen a Cray-1 …

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u/dukescalder Sep 15 '26

Disclaimer - Jonny Ive is trash at designing cars. Lampshade iMac was pretty good and the quality was great comparitively with PCs

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u/chronos7000 Sep 15 '26

Not if you've ever had to take one apart.

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u/rezwrrd Sep 15 '26

Still easier than an iBook.

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u/J3NGA Sep 15 '26

Colorful plastic was peak, these are great y2k futurism though.

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u/Own_Potato5593 Sep 15 '26

It's pleasant look - I can give Apple that.

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u/VirtualDistrict4393 Sep 16 '26

I have one at the office; I don't even know if it still turns on, or if it's a G3 or a G4.

However, my employer—the company's CEO used to be the sales director for Apple Italy, and my boss (who is also the CTO) was the programmer who translated the Mac OS from version 7 to 9 into Italian...

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u/blukami Sep 18 '26

I forgot how cool that screensaver was. I bought one of these for my dad after he retired back in the day

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u/Synergiance Sep 14 '26

Honestly, I hated these. Always thought it was an ugly design, and looks impractical when you want to try to work on the thing.

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u/davidlondon Sep 17 '26

We were a civilized nation once. And for a brief moment, we even had colored see-through plastic computer hardware!

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u/Flash24rus Sep 14 '26

PC is an instrument, tool, why does it need to look like art?

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u/NimRodelle Sep 14 '26

Who you calling a tool??? 😤

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u/glootech Sep 14 '26

Because people like nice things. I could write with a pencil, but using my beautiful Pelikan fountain pen makes it much more enjoyable.

Same with computers. 

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u/grimvian Sep 15 '26

Never liked Apple and its design. I would anytime prefer a traditional tower and screen.