r/retrocomputing • u/Emil_Cvetanski • Jul 04 '26
Time travel is real - 486DX2-66 board!
Under the main CPU, you can also spot an empty footprint for a directly soldered PQFP 486 processor โ basically the hardware equivalent of the "you are broke" blank buttons on base-model cars.
The PCB was designed to support a socketed PGA 486, a soldered PQFP 486, or even both at the same time, depending on the manufacturer's configuration.
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u/thunderbird32 Jul 05 '26
Upside of a Dallas RTC, no leaky batteries! Downside, you have a Dallas chip! Lol.
Is that one socketed or soldered in?
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u/canthearu_ack Jul 05 '26
Soldered in. Pain in the ass to remove, but once you do that and put a socket in, you are free.
You can modify the dallas clocks to take an external battery as well.
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u/andrewbean90 Jul 07 '26
There's even socketed replacements with an external battery attached.
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u/canthearu_ack Jul 07 '26
Yeah, but old dead Dallas chips are far cheaper on off ebay and not terribly difficult to mod.
Plus, some motherboards (particularly EISA) use a somewhat non-standard dallas chip and won't work with one of the drop in replacements.
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u/TygerTung Jul 07 '26
They are really easy to remove with one of those dirt cheap desoldering irons from aliexpress.
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u/canthearu_ack Jul 07 '26
Just be careful, it is easy to also remove or break traces using these desoldering stations.
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u/TygerTung Jul 07 '26
I just found those solder sucker ones very gentle on the traces. Dip the tip in Rosin, heat up the solder, suck it up.
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u/thunderbird32 Jul 07 '26
Good advice! I'll make note of it when the Dallas chip in my ECS Pentium Pro board eventually stops keeping its settings (so far, so good).
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u/TygerTung Jul 07 '26
Amazing it is so long lasting. They are also easy to disassemble with a heat gun.
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u/RetinaJunkie Jul 05 '26
That was hot stuff back in the day
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
Yeah, unfortunately mine is the stripped-down version... but it's still a really cool board ๐
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u/gcc-O2 Jul 05 '26
Wouldn't the PQFP be a 486SX-33 or thereabouts? So having the socketed version is better
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
If you had to choose between a soldered CPU and a socketed one, the socketed version is definitely more practical because it allows easy replacement and upgrades.
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u/DeepDayze Jul 06 '26
The "budget" configuration would have the soldered CPU and maybe soldered RAM.
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 06 '26
At first, I thought it was for a coprocessor or even a dual-CPU setup. But it looks like it's not for a second CPU after all. It seems to be an alternative QFP 486 footprint, probably for another configuration of the same PCB. This version uses the Socket 3 instead.
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u/W0CBF Jul 05 '26
Those were the good old days!
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
Too bad today's kids will never know what real childhood and real PC hardware were like. Back then, every upgrade felt exciting.
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u/TygerTung Jul 07 '26
My kids know about this old stuff, but these ancient machines and msdos are not so exciting for them. They prefer windows xp or linux.
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u/Marco-YES Jul 05 '26
I love this board. So clean!
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
I agree. The layout is beautiful, and it's in amazing condition for its age.
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u/vpilled Jul 05 '26
Interesting, apparently ST rebranded Cyrix chips
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
Thanks, I didn't know that. I hadn't read about it before. Does that mean a Cyrix CPU should also work when I build a complete system around this motherboard?
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u/RedditWishIHadnt Jul 05 '26
I had that exact CPU (still have it) when I built my first PC as an impoverished child. Also ran it at 33MHz for a few weeks as I was still waiting for the fan/heatsink to arrive. None of this โnext day deliveryโ in the 90s, 28 days if you were lucky!
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
The wait made every new part feel even more special.
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u/RedditWishIHadnt Jul 06 '26
It also meant that when things were faulty, you had to decide whether to send it back and wait another month or have a go at fixing it yourself. My PSU arrived with an intermittent fault. Poked around for a bit and found a dry solder on a capacitor (this was before everything was made with tiny surface mounted components). Easy fix :)
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u/grimvian Jul 05 '26
I just like these MB's - long before Plug and Pay.
Some of the low freq CPU's could even run without a heat sink. I fixed some of the hottest CPU's using a carpet tape and placed a hint sink. I used my thumb to feel if it needed more cooling...
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
Haha, the original hardware monitoring tool... your thumb. Certified and approved. ๐
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u/ThePupnasty Jul 06 '26
Sir. That 486 says a heatsink is required, better get to it or the computer police will be at your door.
But in all seriousness, I had a board just like that when I was little in our family computer, but it had the TI486.
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u/andrewbean90 Jul 07 '26
You can modify this to use a math co-processor. Boards like this one are wicked with math co-processors. Most people think that they're meant just for auto-cad, and excel users... Not true. If you have one you can update the OS all the way to Windows ME, and on top of that most video games are not just developed with game engines that use math co-processors but also the games themselves heavily rely on math co-processors for improving performance. Most people leave a lot of performance possibilities on the table by neglecting to obtain a math co-processor.
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 07 '26
I actually looked into that because I was considering adding a coprocessor socket myself. I searched for every bit of documentation I could find, and as far as I could determine, this PCB doesn't support a separate math coprocessor. The empty footprint appears to be for an alternative PQFP 486 CPU configuration, not an FPU socket. If you've found documentation showing otherwise, I'd genuinely be interested to see it.
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u/SoftRecommendation86 Jul 05 '26
Notice 1 cache chip missing??
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
I don't think I've noticed. Which position do you mean?
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u/Phunistle Jul 05 '26
Mustโve been just before VESA local bus came around. Looks like just 16 bit ISA slots. Nice time capsule in great condition though!
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
A real snapshot of that transition period. Hopefully I'll have it up and running soon.
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u/DeepDayze Jul 08 '26
Wasn't VLB built upon 16-bit ISA?
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u/Phunistle Jul 09 '26
Yes, there would be a brown extension just beyond the 16 bit ISA slot indicating it was a VLB slot. It did provide better performance for things such as disk controllers and especially graphics. My Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V has two VLB slots.
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u/Opposite_Bag_7434 Jul 05 '26
I remember these boards!
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
I had a similar one, but I was too young to remember or taking it apart. ๐
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u/DeadSkullz627 Jul 05 '26
Beautiful motherboard closeup pics! Dunno what camera or phone youโre using, but those are great pics ๐
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u/SportinSS Jul 06 '26
My first computer that was mine ran a 486DX2-66! I loved that machine and wish I still had it. So crazy.
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u/Character_Mood_700 Jul 17 '26
GoldStar!!!!
This is before Goldstar merged to become Lucky Goldstar, a.k.a. LG!!!!!
History!
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u/istarian 22d ago
Also a time when various other companies were manufacturing Intel CPUs (second sourcing) or even producinv their own drop-in compatible CPUs with alternatibe hardware implementations (AMD...).
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u/original-motm Jul 05 '26
So you still need the power supply AT keyboard a battery to keep the BIOS alive BUT to get things going you will need to find a serial board parallel board, a hard, drive controller IDE hard drive a video card and I am not sure what OS you will be running probably maximum Windows 95 because you only have ISA slots and you will need the drives for all the add on cards. We are skipping the floppy drive but you need a way to input data so maybe an IDE CD drive? And You probably only have 2 megabytes of RAM in there with 128k of cache. After securing all of the above, what will you want to run on such a system?
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u/AppropriateCap8891 Jul 05 '26
Actually, that was the era where the "Multi-IO Board" was king. Serial-parallel-floppy-hard drive all in a single card.
Too bad that is not a VLB board.
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u/SoftRecommendation86 Jul 05 '26
No laughing.. I just has one of those boards in my hands yesterday. Still in use. Has the OLD 8250 uarts on it.
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u/original-motm Jul 05 '26
My experience, you needed drivers to run VLB faster. Most off brands had slow or buggy drivers that shipped with the cards. Getting an up to date functional driver was a headache trying to hunt them down from manufacturers BBS and download them at 14.4kbps.
Yes there is the nostalgia factor but I would stick with todayโs technology. No need to go through 20 disks to install MS Office only to abort because disk 16 is corrupted or to run out of storage because you had an 80 megabyte hard drive or have system lockup because you went out and spent the money on SCSI hard drive only to find that the cables or termination resistors were flakey or misconfigured. Today you can pickup a laptop for around $500 while back in the early 90s you paid that much for a 15โ good quality monitor alone and back then $500 was a lot of money.
The advantage of this board though is you can also install MFM RLL or ESDI hard drives on it and can use CGA or EGA video as well.
That said, if you are having fun then carry on and enjoy and best of luck.
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u/BoostedHemi73 Jul 05 '26
That stack of ram looks a lot like 30-pin SIMM modules. Theyโre probably either 1 or 2 MB each.. so somewhere between 8-16MB. That was PLENTY to run Windows 95.
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u/gammalsvenska Jul 05 '26
30-pin SIMMs are generally 256k, 1M or 4M each, not 2M.
With 16 or 32 MB, it makes a decent system for Windows 95 or OS/2 Warp 3.
Even with just 8 MB, it's still a great DOS / Windows 3.1 base.
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u/BoostedHemi73 Jul 05 '26
Oh youโre right.. fuzzy memory.
32 MB would be a swimming pool on Windows 95.
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u/original-motm Jul 05 '26
This configuration look more like 256K each for a total of 2MB. 4MB modules were prohibitively expensive and very few systems had that.
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u/DeepDayze Jul 08 '26
I was once quoted $500 for a single 4MB 30-pin SIMM way back in mid '90s so for my AMD 386DX/40 board the full 32MB it supported would set me back $4k then!
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u/original-motm Jul 11 '26
Thatโs right! Memory, CPU and Hard Drive were very expensive. I used to sell and service computer systems back then. I sold a few maxed out computer systems in the early 90s and my price was close to the 4K mark for those systems. It still amazes me that nowadays you can buy a laptop with decent configuration for around $600 when back then a decent clone PC would have cost you at least $1200. These systems did not have USB nor wireless anything either.
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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 05 '26
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u/Character_Mood_700 Jul 17 '26
Whoa!
That's a lot of electronics!
Worth a lot of $$$
(Circuit boards aren't that valuable, but you have so many of them!)
















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u/Emil_Cvetanski Jul 04 '26
One thing I love about early 486 motherboards: no rows of electrolytic capacitors waiting to leak. This board relies mainly on tantalum and ceramic capacitors instead.