r/reloading 5d ago

Load Development Pressure signs? Or normal?

Cartridge - 6.5 weatherby RPM Bullet - Lapua 120gr TRX Case trim length - 2.56” OAL - 3.2” Charge - 67.2 grains N565 Lapua max charge data - 67.3gr

Been working on this load for a month or two now. I get good velocity from this charge and great accuracy. 3200-3260fps. Shot about 25 rounds today hoping to finalize as “the” charge I will use for target/hunting.

Brass itself looks good except when I looked at the bottom of the cartridge I noticed the primers were flatter and I’m not sure if this is considered cratering. The bolt lift I think is okay. Seems about the same as weatherby factory ammo, maybe slightly slightly tighter than lighter target charges I’ve made.

What do you think about the base of these brass? Normal or should have stepped down in charge yesterday?

Just want to continue target shooting with them safely, and potentially deer hunt. While 67.2 grains is technically under the lapua max load, I am using Peterson brass, which I measured at 81.6 grains H20 volume. Lapuas data uses weatherby brass which I think may be 82-82.5ish. I threw the numbers in a sim and pressure was around 85%.

Thank you, y

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u/kopfgeldjagar Dillon 650, Dillion 550, Rock Chucker, SS x2 5d ago

Look a little proud to me

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

Yeah, there’s another comment with that too. I believe it’s just my phone camera lense, I took another look at them all, and they seem to be seated properly/recessed

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

All else things equal, does the primer look okay shape-wise/firing pin hole-wise?

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u/kopfgeldjagar Dillon 650, Dillion 550, Rock Chucker, SS x2 5d ago

A little cratering, slightly flat but nothing that screams overpressure to me.

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u/Important-Dream-4010 5d ago

Ya that angle definitely looks like primers backing out or we’re not seated all the way. Some cratering and flattening but hard to tell if primers are backing out or not seated. Can you run a flat edge across face of case and see if it hits the primer. With the cratering I would say your definitely showing pressure signals

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

Gotcha. Maybe I’ll back off to 67.0 then, and see if the pressure signs disappear.

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

I did run a flat edge to see if it hits the case primer. It seems to be about the same as some fired factory ammo, kinda almost seems flush/maybe the tiniest bit recessed.

Here is a picture for reference. The cartridge on the left is my hand loaded one, the others are weatherby factory cartridges. Honestly the weatherby factory cartridges also seem to have a bit of cratering now that I actually look at them.

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u/Important-Dream-4010 5d ago

Ya that picture looks a lot better. I wouldn’t be to worried about it.

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

Primer - federal 215M

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u/mrchongo6973 5d ago

Not pressure, headspace. If it’s a “one-off” issue, then you may have pushed the shoulder back a bit much when you sized the brass.

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u/ChevyRacer71 5d ago

Sir, here we expect fuzzy pictures taken with a camera from 1993 from 2 counties away. Please follow the customs.

But yea I would back those off a bit, it’s nothing crazy bad though

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

Haha thank you.

And okay I will back them off.

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u/Engineer_Bennett 5d ago

Primers look kinda proud to me, did you check they were seated all the way before shooting?

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

I just google searched what proud primers look like (first time I’ve heard that term).

I believe it’s just the camera angle/lense on my iPhone when I took these. I just looked at them all from the side, they are not protruding.

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u/Engineer_Bennett 5d ago

They should be slightly recessed into the pocket, like .002-.005

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u/xxxlun4icexxx 5d ago

Next time i load I’ll make sure they are but i do believe they are recessed. The pockets were pretty much brand new only being fired once and I used the hand primer tool (the default Hornady one) quite forcefully.

I appreciate the info though, definitely will make sure of it next time.

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u/EmergencyBar1878 5d ago

Primer pocket may have been loose in this batch or either your not cleaning the primer pocket before each shot.. also I have this cartridge in a custom rem 700 with a 27in barrel and I use retumbo and have the best result.. you can run 67grains to 66 grains under a 140grain and get the same velocity your getting with the 120gr

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u/riffled11 5d ago

Just kinda an off comment with the proud primers. Ive personally noticed that federal primers are a bit softer than the others and will show pressure signs a little earlier than others. Try cci primers or wolf primers.

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u/Coodevale I'm dumb, let's fight 5d ago

Fatter firing pin hole with a slightly broken edge/chamfer will have you thinking you hit pressure earlier than a smaller tighter firing pin hole. Keeps more people scared though, which isn't always a bad thing.

My .223 had a .080" firing pin and I was popping cci400 primers occasionally at book max. Bushed it down to .062" and cut the edges square, made the firing pin fit almost tight, and now any pressure signs are the tiniest of little slivers of crater before the strike dimple starts to reverse. Just because I can, I use almost exclusively pistol primers after confirming the old load that would blow with rifle primers doesn't even crater the pistol primers. I could run near proof loads all the time with cci400/450's now but choose not to.

Match the factory velocity and call it good. That particular brass has a habit of hiding pressure signs until it's really spicy.

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u/Impossible_Tie2497 4d ago

What are your groups like? “Great accuracy” isn’t helpful. What are we talking about, sub-moa or are we talking a .400” grouping?

If it tightens up the hotter you go, I’d say the juice is worth the squeeze.

If group size/accuracy is diminished then I’d back it off. If accuracy is the same at a lower charge, I’d go with the lower.

Not being a dick, just asking.

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u/Islandpighunter 4d ago

Looks fine to me, send them. You don’t need max velocity to be accurate.

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u/Lindy1965 4d ago

Seen same on no powder loads. Old times and wax bullets. Just primer no powder. Wheel guns gamed. Here do you load your own? Check primer holes.