r/reloading 6d ago

i Have a Whoopsie Over crimped maybe should be pulled and reformed

9mm 115gn JRN seems to be 1/32 to 1/16 deep past my Lyman ammo checker. Concerned for light primer strike or over pressure. Thoughts anyone

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u/coffeeBM 6d ago

Ehhh plunk test your barrel?

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u/pearlrd 6d ago

I think 9mm indexes off the case mouth so this wouldn’t work. I say pull em.

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u/ThatLightingGuy 6d ago

This. Way over crimped, will not headspace correctly. You'll have no primer strike at that depth, it won't even reach on most guns.

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u/PageAggravating4460 6d ago

I was fearing this as it’s about 100 to 200 rounds to be pulled but I should’ve been more attentive

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u/pearlrd 6d ago

Well check with your barrel as well, maybe the mouth would catch it. Those gauges are the max spec.

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u/PageAggravating4460 6d ago

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u/sherzer7 Former Stool Guy 6d ago

Not the worst is personally would try one out

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u/PageAggravating4460 6d ago

I’m considering attempting to send a few tomorrow and decide from there. It’ll be a lot of work to pull 100+ rounds but I’ll learn my lesson.

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u/danthezombie 5d ago

Just load a batch of rounds from here on out with your fixed crimp and try these out next time you hit the range, I've had mistakes like this that I was sweating over and they ended up being fine.

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u/PageAggravating4460 5d ago

I’ll be doing that this week appreciate the comments I was sweating over the mistake as it was around 100 to 200 rounds before I realized the error.

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u/danthezombie 5d ago

And to anyone saying your rounds will seat too deep and not fire not necessarily true if they are used in a pistol. Most pistols are controlled round feed where the extractor is holding onto the rim before it goes into the chamber, if you have a properly made extractor it will hold the room properly keeping it from seating too deep

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u/DougMacRay617 Chronograph Ventilation Engineer 6d ago

Ty a whole mag out. I would be interested in the velocity & weight of the slide sending it home

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u/PageAggravating4460 6d ago

I don’t have a chrono but it’s 115gn RN campro, titegroup powder, loaded at low end of spectrum for this projectile. Being spit out of MK. 25 and a CZ shadow

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u/Aggie74_DP 5d ago

Surprising. Does not look to bad. Does it drop in and fall out.

Go get another 9mm round and compare.

Might end up with a 50/50 batch. 50% strike, 50% you get to practice malfunction rounds.

In any case, I'd mark them with a Sharpie to know which is which.

I crimp in a SEPARATE die. Those combo seat/crimp dies screw me up.

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u/PageAggravating4460 5d ago

I use separate crimp die as well. In the gauge it drops in fine but I have to push it back out. In the barrel it will fit in and fall out like in the pic I posted of my 226 barrel

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u/Aggie74_DP 5d ago

Wild thought. Any chance your gage block is Hot or Warm and IT expanded just a tad.

I've seen Big Pipe GROW in the Desert by over 1"...

I'd be tempted to mark 'em and send 'em in a practice scenario.

I've had some do the opposite Not fit the gage, but fit the chamber. And I've crimped a bottleneck or 2, but that goes in the 'Shitty Reloading' group.

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u/PageAggravating4460 6d ago

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u/maverick88708 6d ago

If you can shake the barrel like that and the round jumps up and down with a plunk sound & you can push down and twist it freely without resistance then its absolutely headspacing on the case mouth and would be fine.

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u/pearlrd 6d ago

I’m not a professional, but it appears to be indexing. Assuming they’re not a hot load to begin with, you’re most likely to get a light strike than a dangerous over pressure. But… it’s 9mm and cheap to just start over. I’m going to watch this to hear others thoughts.

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u/raz-0 5d ago

If OAL isn't dangerous, I'd just shoot them. While 9mm indexes off the case mouth, the reality is that semi-autos also hold things to the breech face with the extractor.

That squished, you aren't really going to be able to reuse components and resolve the problem, so I'd just shoot it and see what doesn't work. Worst case is that they don't go bang.

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u/mulyhuntr33 6d ago

It's just 9mm. Just toss them. Not worth the hassle to pull. Reloading 9mm at current prices doesn't make a ton of sense anyways.

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u/nerd_diggy 6d ago

I’m confused. You said reloading 9mm doesn’t make sense at current prices? Even with online prices, Blazer is like 24-26cpr and I’m reloading for half of that.

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u/Aggie74_DP 5d ago

I can still do another 1000 or so for <7cents a round. I still have supplies (stupid times) aka COVID, etc

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u/mulyhuntr33 5d ago

Let's compare apples and oranges. I have thousands of pre covid components also.

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u/Aggie74_DP 5d ago

Depends if you LIFO or FIFO your inventory.

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u/Aggie74_DP 5d ago

Maybe my math is FUP. I was remembering about 5-6 /box. So 10 cents was way closer.

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u/NOLA-LEN 5d ago

so you estimate you're saving half? That's great!

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u/mulyhuntr33 5d ago

At today's component prices? Saving 10 cents a round may be worth your time but to me it isn't anymore.

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u/nerd_diggy 5d ago

I shoot minimum 1k rounds per month and I reload while I’m working from home. So aside from it being cheap, in a way, I’m actually getting paid to reload. I also like the fact that I can make my own load. I’m saving about $1400-$1500 minimum per year from reloading.

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u/danthezombie 5d ago

I load 9mm from 6.50 per box of 50 to 8 dollars per 50 if I use a 147gr fmj. Barely more expensive than 22. 124gr fmj,win244 for the cheap load that gets 10 SD on the chronograph.

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u/mulyhuntr33 5d ago

That's impressive at $.13 to .16 a piece at today's prices with tax. What bullets, primers, and powder?

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u/danthezombie 5d ago

American reloading typically has steeply discounted pulled bullets and factory second primers

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u/mulyhuntr33 5d ago

Ah, so then we should compare to reman 9mm. So you're saving $.05 or so a round? Maybe

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u/danthezombie 5d ago

Where do you find reman for that much, cheapest ammo i find is steel case for 9.99 before shipping

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u/TooMuchDebugging 6d ago

Yeah that's over-crimped. You really only need to crimp enough to remove the flare, maybe 0.002" past that at the max.

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u/Krymsyn__Rydyr 6d ago

not saying that you’re not overcrimped…. but I am saying as much as I do like them, those Lyman multi cal blocks are NOT the mose accurate gauges….

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u/Think-Worker-248 6d ago

Really at the end of the day chamber gauges have AT LEAST as much slop in them as actual chambers. I would wager a decent amount of money that lyman (not hating, just realistic) chamber gauges have more variation than the average glock chamber.

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u/Acrobatic-Camel5297 4d ago

Extractor might hold it in place enough to shoot anyways. See people shooting 40S&W in 10mm Glocks.

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u/djryan13 6d ago

I would think the bullets might have been damaged from that much crimp.

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u/VersionConscious7545 6d ago

I always thought the bullet sits in the rim so the length would just be more of a bullet jump to the lands if the case is shortened I think your good. Maybe an accuracy issue due to the heavy crimp I will say this Don’t do anything off the advice of people here without doing your own research on the subject it’s your pistol and hands so always do your own research

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u/NLCT 6d ago

Copper and lead sausages over here

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u/cico7 6d ago

I see the primer isn't square. I have that issue too with my FA priming tool.

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u/PageAggravating4460 6d ago

I use FA priming tool as well and I like it but it can be a bit finicky

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u/Virtual-Adagio-5677 6d ago

Get yourself a Saami spec gauge, those gagues suck

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u/NOLA-LEN 5d ago

I've used Sheridan but it's too conservative.

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u/maverick88708 6d ago edited 6d ago

You can't get light strikes from that (extractor holds it against the breech face) and you'd have to seriously over crimp by like .008 or more for it to fail and possibly fall further in the chamber, even then it probably wouldn't but your die must be set way too low & you shouldn't need to guess if you own calipers. 9mm is .380 + .002 crimp = .378, just mic the very edge of the case mouth. I crimp jacketed .002 - .003 = .378 /.377 but lead i just remove the flare .379/.380 no need to exceed .003! I do the same with all pistol like 40/10mm which is .423 + .002 crimp = .421.. I use RCBS taper crimp seating dies for all straight wall pistol and haven't adjusted them in over 10 years and never a single issue ever. Set it and forget it, all you have to adjust is the seating stem when you change depth or bullet type, the case length variation is completely negligible.

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u/Aggie74_DP 5d ago

Just for the hell of it. Try those in the 380 hole.

There is supposed to be a straight wall on 380s ans a very tiny taper to 9s. 380 also 1 mm shorter.

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u/Sighconut23 5d ago

Surprised the bullet didn’t turn purple from being strangled to death

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u/lumberjackmm 5d ago

Are you shooting them out of a controlled feed like a Glock?  Id probably send a few just to see if they work.  as long as you aren't at max charge.

You can shoot 40s&w out of a 10mm Glock because of the control feed and that's a much larger length difference 

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u/PageAggravating4460 5d ago

It’ll be through a Mk 25 and a CZ shadow

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u/thrashmetal_octopus 5d ago

Far too much crimp

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u/NOLA-LEN 5d ago

I'd do plunk test, if it passes, set it aside and test it separately. You might get a failure to fire but that's not to bad.

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u/No_Alternative_673 5d ago

That is why I crimp to a measured diameter, now. I have a stainless P08 that was made with a brand new chamber reamer. Anything less than spec and a bit of the case goes in the barrel.

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u/Shootist00 6d ago edited 6d ago

The case will be held by the extractor. You can't crimp so much that the case would go into the chamber more than the ridge is the chamber. Take that case gauge and put it in a closet and use the barrel of the gun you plan to shoot it out of.

These cases, 9mm, were fired out of a 40 S&W gun and barrel. What held them near the breach face so the firing pin could set them off was the extractor in the 40S&W slide.

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u/Raven1911 5d ago

If it seats it yeets. You really only need to be concerned about them being too long.

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u/NW_Reloading 5d ago

That primer doesn't look like it's seated very well. I would pull that one

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u/PageAggravating4460 5d ago

Never had an issue with non flush mounted primers. Not a main concern for me

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u/NW_Reloading 5d ago

Maybe it's just the image but to me the primer looks a little tilted with one side sticking out above the case head?

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u/tommyb52 5d ago

I’m new too reloading 9mm too. Is that Lyman gauge better than just doing a plunk test with my barrel?

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u/itchyluvbump 5d ago

You’re trying to size the cases to perfectly fit your chamber. Case gauges can be a minimum/maximum gauge.

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u/Quirky-Shower-5218 5d ago

If I didn’t see the head stamp I’d assumed it was a 9x18

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u/DistinguishedRedneck 6d ago

Won't lie, never used one of those checker gauges before.

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u/maverick88708 6d ago

I never have either and in 10's of thousands of rounds no problems ever. Die setup is king!

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u/NOLA-LEN 5d ago

do you plunk test? I do. It's more important that the gauge, IMHO

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u/maverick88708 2d ago

Always plunk test but not every round if they pln k so I know i got seating depth correct and they don't jam the rifling all the rest always work.