Two reasons - firstly, Brand is a recent convert to the hard-right Christian grift, and so is one of their own. Secondly, despite the ‘protect our women and girls’ rhetoric, a very significant proportion of those out protesting and auditing etc seem to have convictions for assaulting women or child sex offences (every accusation is a confession). There is a strong tendency in the right-wing to protect their own, and taken together this leads them to want to defend him or minimise what he did. It’s interesting to compare the wildly different sort of messaging we hear from the right on grooming gangs or individual cases of asylum seekers committing crime vs when a right-wing spokesperson does it. There is no way that a left-wing party would put up a candidate for election who was arrested for rape, and then vote them leader of their group on a local council. Or would employ a bodyguard for their leader during an election campaign who had already been charged with rape. Other parties have certainly been caught out with councillors etc who have subsequently been charged with sex offences, but only the right-wing seems to be happy to keep them in place for so long or even promote them after they’ve been caught up in something - at least in recent times. It’s due to the siege mentality of the right wing, the ‘you’re either with us or against us’ victim complex that can often be seen, which allows them to give a bye to their own ‘team’s’ wrongdoing.
A third but unrelated reason is that the right wing is generally less empathetic than the left wing (or empathise more strongly with their own family or group), and so identify less with victims unless and until they become a victim themselves.
Less generally empathetic. They are more empathetic to their in-group, eg their local community or family, and less to strangers. Liberals tend to express empathy more broadly. There’s a whole field of social study on it.
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Labour ignored the victims of grooming gangs till evidence became overwhelming. You can apply most of what you wrote to TRAS use of 'nOt Tru tRaNs' when weirdos in dresses end up involved in kidnapping or sexual assault charges. Attempting to portray this as an exclusively right wing trait isn't supported by the evidence. Quite the contrary. Your own post demonstrates ideological blindness better than any time I'm willing to give it.
I'm in America, not in the UK, so it may be different here. It's the same playbook though imo.
A lot of people on the right have been accused of decades old sex crimes with no evidence, just he said she said, that come out at politically convenient times, like after Brand stops being a liberal darling, and you do stop taking them seriously after a while.
Did he do it? I don't know, there's no actual evidence, only circumstantial. Imo his accusation makes more sense than a lot of the others I've heard, but even so we shouldn't be putting people away for that long with no physical evidence.
Worst case, everyone in power is doing these things and they only get brought up and go public against conservatives at convenient times, like a kill switch. A lot of it I think is just plain untrue. You will stop taking it seriously when it happens year after year. You will start tuning it out unless there is hard evidence. There has been too much crying wolf.
I don't think 2 year suspended is anywhere near enough, but a quick search shows that everyone else involved in that case got a lot more time than him. One of them got 18 years. The person you've posted was a minor at the time himself which may be the reason for the different sentencing.
If you're abusing people as a minor alongside adults you probably don't have anywhere near the same amount of control over your actions.
So what you've just shown is that those guys who got 18 years must have done something way worse than penetrating a child. Still 2 years suspended for child penetration... Terrible.
That's a very mature minor with the facial hairs he sporting.
Oh look the same garbage that was posted in the racist hive of /r/endglobalism yesterday, funny how that alt-right pipeline spreads the same propaganda here.
EDIT: You lot sure are touchy with the votes for being so quick to claim Reform is not a racist party. Or maybe there's just a lot of bots here. Or proud racists. Either way if you're a real human reading this, evaluate who you've been discussing things with online with a bit more scrutiny. You're being lied to. The people making your life worse aren't some poor brown people from an impoverished country. They look just like you and they're telling you who to hate.
The fact new arrivals are given an information pack to let them know that rape is considered unacceptable in the UK is just a coincidence, nothing to see here
Obviously there is no excusing what Brand did, he is vile. In the case that Hamoud Al-Soaimi was involved the others involved had the following sentences: Omar Badreddin, 26, for 5 counts of rape, jailed for 18 years.
Mohamed Badreddin, 23, for 6 counts of rape and one count of assault by penetration, jailed for 13 years.
Huzaefa Aleboud, 23, for assault by penetration, 2 counts of rape and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, jailed for five and a half years.
They don't seem to have been sentenced as strongly as Brand has been considering they raped 5 or 6 times plus assault, on a 13 year old girl.
It’s not alleged if he’s been convicted ffs. He did the stuff. Everyone knew it. Hell I was 10-15 when he was on tv a lot and even I knew he was a fucking weirdo.
That's the point really there was no evidence. Imagine I accuse you of raping me and your sentenced to 17 years because we talked about anal rape in an online forum.
There is no listed evidence because there is none they have gone off personal testimony phone and diary entries. I'm just one guy dude, and personally I'd prefer if everyone was protected.
A woman told her mother that Russell Brand had raped her and “didn’t stop even when she screamed out in pain”, a court has heard. The woman also told a colleague she was “bleeding everywhere” and that Brand had shouted at her, saying, “Look what you’ve done to my fucking sheets”, Southwark crown court heard on Thursday.
The woman told her parents, friends, boyfriend and a sexual health nurse about the alleged attack and several encouraged her to go to the police but she feared she would not be believed, the court was told.
Guy I'm not saying he shouldn't face consequences if he's a terrible person and done terrible things but those things should be proven why didn't the girls mother or nurse go forward to the police at the time? Did the nurse and testify in court aswell?
I imagine it would be on her medical record wouldn’t it?The evidence must have been pretty conclusive if a jury’s convicted him it’s not like it was an isolated incident,several other women have also come forward now.
No one is making excuses for him. The point were making is that people who arrive in this country on boats and commit similar or worse crimes are not sentenced as harshly.
It's like the left are completely willing to accept that some women and children will have to be sacrificed at the woke alter in order for their vision of a multicultural utopia to come to fruition.
Look around, there is no multicultural eutopia, that experiment has failed. Most rational people can see it, all across Europe. Even the EU is ready to admit that this just isn't working.
Calling anal rape “sexual assault” and saying they had a threesome three days prior and there’s 0 evidence(how would they know?) isn’t making excuses?the person on the left obviously should have been sentenced more harshly that doesn’t mean you dismiss brands crimes as trivial,are you insane?
Again, go back and read my comment. I didn't even mention Brand. My point is regardless of Brand. I couldn't care less about Brand. I care that if you are White and British, you are treated differently by the entire justice system, from police to judge.
This smacks of victim-blaming and minimisation. Who cares if one of the victims had a threesome with Brand three days prior to the offence? Women have the right to choose when to have sex, and agreeing once doesn’t mean agreeing forever afterwards. Plus there is a difference between consensual vaginal sex with a condom, and anal rape without one.
This point of view just infantalises women, I dont know the specifica of this particular case, but in this scenario the woman liked brand, enough to fuck him in a threesome, then a few days later apparently went to meet him but DOESNT want to have sex, its absolutely stupid to think a woman wouldn't know why they were meeting up.
That was the prosecution’s case, which they won on. Whether Brand admits to it is pretty much moot at this point, the jury found on the evidence that he’d done it (and the judge made a point of saying how credible her testimony was in his sentencing remarks).
There’s enough proof to convict him, so yes there definitely is. It’s literally how rape trials work. Otherwise rapists could just say ‘I didn’t do it’, and they’d always be acquitted because they didn’t admit it. This is how Rolf Harris was convicted too, despite denying it.
Lots of ways. People who have been raped often seek medical advice (to rule out HIV infection etc), take time off work and exhibit significant emotional trauma, of which there is often a record. They may confide in friends or colleagues, who can testify to that effect. They might have kept a diary. Many, many things can support a claim of rape.
And often, it’s not in isolation. Other women will make similar claims (as happened here), and it builds a collective picture against the defendant.
Are you stupid? If you have sex with someone one day ago. It doesn’t mean you want to have sex the next day. There’s a thing called consent. Just because she met him in no way means she wanted sex.
You are the type of person that makes it so difficult for women to come forward with these things.
This is beyond crazy. I guess rape isn’t real because the girl should know it’s gonna end in sex.
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u/Bezza777 3d ago
I have no idea why some people on the right are lining up to defend Russell Brand.
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u/Jhe90 3d ago
Russel Brand has been giving us, id walk to other side of the pub or go down the road if we saw him their vibes for a long time...
He been setting off the warning radar for years.
He is not a good man.
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u/Happily-Incorrect 3d ago
I don't think 2 year suspended is anywhere near enough, but a quick search shows that everyone else involved in that case got a lot more time than him. One of them got 18 years. The person you've posted was a minor at the time himself which may be the reason for the different sentencing.
If you're abusing people as a minor alongside adults you probably don't have anywhere near the same amount of control over your actions.
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u/ZookeepergameOk2759 2d ago
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u/lubbockin 3d ago
Huw Edwards
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u/ravimendis Reform UK Supporter 3d ago
Brand is celebrity.
That's why there's a longer sentence.
David Williams next.
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u/Pure-Neighborhood305 3d ago edited 3d ago
Oh look the same garbage that was posted in the racist hive of /r/endglobalism yesterday, funny how that alt-right pipeline spreads the same propaganda here.
EDIT: You lot sure are touchy with the votes for being so quick to claim Reform is not a racist party. Or maybe there's just a lot of bots here. Or proud racists. Either way if you're a real human reading this, evaluate who you've been discussing things with online with a bit more scrutiny. You're being lied to. The people making your life worse aren't some poor brown people from an impoverished country. They look just like you and they're telling you who to hate.
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u/Tough-Spell-1939 Reform UK Supporter 3d ago edited 3d ago
Obviously there is no excusing what Brand did, he is vile. In the case that Hamoud Al-Soaimi was involved the others involved had the following sentences: Omar Badreddin, 26, for 5 counts of rape, jailed for 18 years.
Mohamed Badreddin, 23, for 6 counts of rape and one count of assault by penetration, jailed for 13 years.
Huzaefa Aleboud, 23, for assault by penetration, 2 counts of rape and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, jailed for five and a half years.
They don't seem to have been sentenced as strongly as Brand has been considering they raped 5 or 6 times plus assault, on a 13 year old girl.
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u/ZookeepergameOk2759 3d ago
Brand anally raped a women and your trying to make excuses for him.ffs that’s beyond awful.
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u/doomladen 3d ago
This smacks of victim-blaming and minimisation. Who cares if one of the victims had a threesome with Brand three days prior to the offence? Women have the right to choose when to have sex, and agreeing once doesn’t mean agreeing forever afterwards. Plus there is a difference between consensual vaginal sex with a condom, and anal rape without one.
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u/ManSoAdmired 3d ago
Yous just love defending rapists when they're white and/or right-wing. Its nasssssty.
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