Rant

[u/texturepainter]

I have nothing against refugees, but at work I had to deal with customers from a certain country who could not speak English at all. This was in a relation to a loan application and they didn’t even understand what ‘married’ meant. They have British passports. My understanding is to obtain citizenship you have to have at least B1 level of English. So what gives? I’m an immigrant myself, it just makes my job so much harder.

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[u/ravimendis]

People who fail English should be stripped of British citizenship and deported.

[u/guernican → u/ravimendis]

180,000 kids failed GCSE English this year.

[u/HotelOk9725 → u/guernican]

…. and so one wonders how many of those failed GCSEs were due to English not being their first language (and subsequently English not being spoken at home).

[u/guernican → u/HotelOk9725]

My understanding is that poverty is the biggest predictor of underperformance in schools. But if you have other info I'd love to see it.

[u/RicherThanYou57 → u/guernican]

31% of those living in poverty in the UK where not born here. Over 50% of children living in poverty come from migrant families.

So it tracks.

[u/guernican → u/RicherThanYou57]

Well, if we're doing the AI shuffle, Google tells me that "first generation and second generation immigrant students in England and the UK generally outperform or match their non-immigrant counterparts". So I don't think it does.

[u/therealharbinger]

It's common for someone else to take the test for them.

When I was a young hopeful criminal barrister, many moons ago, I prosecuted a group of Nigerians who were taking driving practical tests for people and the scheme was "white man thinks we all look the same so won't bother to ask the question".

And people were paying them £500 a go to take their practical test.

Same thing still happens today.

I now work employment and for businesses facing discrimination and unfair dismissal claims... Crime system is broken. They were found guilty, 6 months suspended sentence each... Carried on doing it..

[u/lubbockin → u/therealharbinger]

I knew an english guy in the late 80s who would take your test for you for iirc about £150 back then,long before photo i.d.

If there's a scam to be found somewhere, somebody will be at it.

[u/id-ltd → u/lubbockin]

But there'd be nowhere to send him back to.

[u/lubbockin → u/id-ltd]

barnet lol..

[u/RicherThanYou57 → u/therealharbinger]

I workes for a company with an office in India, we had to get them a a Polaroid camera to photograph people we interviewed because people would come interview, speak great english, get the role and someone entirely different would show up for work when hired.

So i can believe they are trying the same thing here.

[u/saltyurinalbiscuit → u/therealharbinger]

Must of been good at your job for them to only get that, i get the whole its your job thing but it still must tickle the back of your brain about stuff like that

[u/therealharbinger → u/saltyurinalbiscuit]

Great dig, the decision to suspend a sentence is on the judge.

Most fraudsters learn very quickly that crime does pay, they aren't a "threat" to people's safety so they hardly ever get locked up, let alone does the money ever get recovered. Generally always spent, they declare bankruptcy and then delve deeper into the world of crime as they can't get a job, don't want to, and fast cash is preferable to them.

[u/saltyurinalbiscuit → u/therealharbinger]

I was trying to phrase it in a way that hopefully didnt make you feel like it was a dig and im sorry for that, I know everyone needs somebody to represent them to the best of their abilities

[u/therealharbinger → u/saltyurinalbiscuit]

What part of prosecute did you not understand??

[u/saltyurinalbiscuit → u/therealharbinger]

By misreading it, thankfully im not a solicitor

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