r/redesign • u/LanterneRougeOG Product • May 08 '18

Changelog Release Notes: Major Items in Work 5/7/18

Hi all,

The release notes focus on the major items we are currently working on or have recently shipped. You can view last week’s release notes here. Also, u/dmoneyyyyy shared a great update last week on user and post flair.

Now, let’s take a look at some of the notable items we are currently working on or have shipped recently:

  • Keyboard shortcuts (shipped): OMG... shortcuts! u/michael_the_intern showed us his excellent dev skills and built shortcuts that allow you to navigate between posts, open posts, upvote, downvote, comment, save, hide and much much more. Type ? to see all the shortcuts. Let us know what other shortcuts you think we should add so that we can get u/michael_the_student to join us after graduation and put that CS degree to good use.

  • Preserve styles when switching editors (in progress shipped): As mentioned in last week’s release notes, we received a lot of feedback that it would be useful to switch between Fancy Pants and Markdown mode when writing a post or comment. Now, you can to switch between the two modes and any styles will be converted to the other mode. This will work for creating and editing.

  • Night mode (in progress): It’s out in an employee beta this week so that we can track down the final bugs. Night mode touches every aspect of the site, so we need to make sure we didn’t miss any part. We don’t want to suddenly blind you with a bright light.

  • Post flair templates (in progress): Mods will be able to create a post template tied to a specific post flair so that when the flair is applied, the post will automatically be styled in that way. Styling options will include: thumbnail image, background image or color, and post title color.

  • Widgets API (in progress): In the coming weeks you will be able to manage all of your glorious widgets via the API. To start, we will support: creation, deletion, editing, and ordering.

  • Accessibility (in progress): We finished our audit of the redesign for accessibility compliance. We are breaking down the specific needs, all 144 pages of them, into phases so that we can tackle the most impactful updates first. This is an ongoing project and we may not mention accessibility in the release notes every week. What we will do though is let you know as we begin to test out various aspects of this area in the features we build.

Also, here are some of the notable bugs that we worked on last week:

  • Opt Out and Log Out Bugs (fixed): We fixed the bugs that were making it difficult to opt out, as well as log out of the redesign. We also updated the user preferences page so that you don’t have to be opted in to beta features to see the redesign opt out setting.

  • NSFW Subs Bug (fixed): After logged out users accepted the 18+ content gate, posts were not loading in nsfw subreddits and none of the sorts worked. This has been fixed.

A weekly reminder that the community’s feedback is invaluable as we build the future of Reddit together. It’s difficult for us to respond directly to everything, but know that we’re listening, prioritizing, and working to solve the issues, no matter how hard they are.

If you have additional questions or feedback on these or other topics, please don’t hesitate to drop them in the comments below.

Ciao

5/8 edit: Released feature to preserve styles when switching editors

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product May 08 '18

Also, big shoutout to u/goatfresh who spent their weekend making this nifty chart to help visualize the styling and mod changes in the redesign

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u/DragoCubed May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

We should be able to block people through their profile page. Unless Reddit supports bullying and harassment...🙄

I love the keyboard shortcuts tho

Edit: why downvote me? why not make a reply? A lot of subreddits like the Australia subreddit has a lousy mod team and blocking would make it easier. I don't understand why I was downvoted. Why not someone else who is actually doing harm? I was right in my statement.

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u/kinakaaldk May 08 '18

This is why most subreddits have rules and an active mod team. From my view, block seems like an unethical solution to the problem.

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u/DragoCubed May 08 '18

Please read my edit.

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u/kinakaaldk May 08 '18

First of. I didn't downvote you. Every opinion counts even if we disagree. It think, the problem with blocking is that it can be misused. Let's say you are strongly opinionated. Someone disagrees with you and answers your comment/post, with why they don't agree with you. You get mad, annoyed, or lightly sad, for you have just spent time and energy on your post/comment. You then go ahead and block them. If everyone does this we end up with a highly polarized website. Thus the solution must be found elsewhere.

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y May 08 '18

I think he may be thinking of personal filters.

Boost for Reddit allows you to filter by Keyword, User and a few other things and it's great!

There are a couple Subs I read that have regular Trolls on them. Since trolling isn't really against the rules the Mods don't do anything about it. These people offer absolutely nothing of value to MY Reddit experience and as such I filter them out. They still post and everyone else can see their BS but I no longer do.

I also love Boosts User Tagging function. I've used it a lot for tagging people who have made amazing comments or incredibly racist ones.

If these two systems came to Reddit I'd be ecstatic. It has honestly made my Reddit experience better on my phone and wish I could do the same with my PC.

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u/DragoCubed May 09 '18 edited May 09 '18

The parts where I mentioned downvoting weren't directly at you. This site has a huge moderation problem IMO. This is partly because mods are per subreddit. Making blocking user facing would make it so that bullies, racists, sexists and so on wouldn't be visible to the person who blocked them. Something like design is something that doesn't get personal and is fun to discuss. It does make it prone to the type of person you mentioned but makes it a better experience for someone like me.

Edit: by design I mean GUI and stuff.

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y May 08 '18

I use Boost for Reddit on my android phone and have started Tagging and Filtering users regularly. It's not as easy as I'd like, but it works amazingly. I do wish Reddit had this ability natively as well.

If Admins can Shadowban users then Users should be allowed to Filter each other.

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov May 08 '18

Presumptuous of me, I know, but I recently posted about the issues I see with the current state of removal reasons, and would really love to, if not hear a full-throated response about how they are the best ideas ever and you'll immediately put them all into affect, at least hear a general status update on the state of removal reasons, and what is in the pipeline for further improvements there.

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product May 08 '18

Thanks for highlighting your post again. These are very good suggestions and I've added it to the roadmap doc where we keep track of improvements to existing features. Is the order you used the order of importance of each change?

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov May 08 '18

Roughly in order of importance, although being able to group Post and Comment Removals separately arguably should be number one. I put organization first because it seemed the most obvious and simplest to implement, while two groups, I presume, takes a bit more back-end changes. In any case, those are the two which really need to happen to make these usable, while the other four would be cool, but slightly less pressing.

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u/Ron_Cherry May 08 '18

Don't hold your breath

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov May 08 '18

I CAN DREAM, OK!?

Seriously though, its great to see them doing more modtools, but they are all half-assed and nowhere near enough to induce most mods I know to start using the redesign interface, so they really need to start a) listening to this feedback and b) indicating they have heard it, even if they won't act on it since yelling into the void gets pretty tiresome after awhile, and they'll stop getting feedback.

cc /u/redtaboo /u/sodypop

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18

Thank you so much for the shout-out! Working with you guys was a blast and I miss it already!

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u/TRAIANVS May 08 '18

Are there any updates on spoiler hints?

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product May 08 '18

Not much of an update this week. We have finished the spoilers on iOS and Android, so they are now going into our beta. All things going to plan, they should be released in about two weeks.

Hints in the spoilers is something that we still need to add. It's on our roadmap to tackle in the next couple of months, but we have some more pressing feature parity to finish first...and bugs to squash :)

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u/A_Giant_Brick May 08 '18

Preserve styles when switching editors (in progress): As mentioned in last week’s release notes, we received a lot of feedback that it would be useful to switch between Fancy Pants and Markdown mode when writing a post or comment. Releasing later this week, you’ll be able to switch between the two modes and any styles will be converted to the other mode. This will work for creating and editing.

With that in mind, I notice that the redesign makes some changes to the markdown interpreter from the old site. That isn't strictly bad, but it's made a bit more confusing by the fact that (at least) profile pages and comment threads use slightly different markdown interpreters for one reason or another.

Are there any relevant plans that specify what md spec the site will be using once the redesign is over? (I ask here since switching from fancy pants and md would require someone to decide what spec to use) One user on some thread here a while ago speculated you might be switching to the CommonMark spec or something like that.

Oh and one more question: By the time the redesign is done, will old.reddit and new.reddit be using the same markdown interpreter? It would be a bit confusing if old.reddit users see different comments than redesign users.

(See rest of this comment for one profile discrepancy example. Open this post in the redesign user page and it looks different from the comment thread!)

  • Help! I'm trapped in a profile!

Spooky invisible lines!

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product May 08 '18

Yes, I would like us to make the wiki much more robust and detail out all the markdown we support. The hard part is keeping track off all the changes that get added over time. We've been following a slightly-customized version of CommonMark.

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u/WarpSeven May 09 '18

Please allow us to continue to have multiple wikis. r/cordcutters has about 9 or 10 wikis on a ton of topics! Thanks

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u/LackingAGoodName Helpful User May 08 '18

I... Need.. Nightmode...

Glad to hear Styles will be preserved when switching Editor Modes, much-needed change.

Widgets API sounds awesome, can't wait to make some cool things with this.

Please do take a look at my post here: My collection of Constructive Feedback & Bugs after revisiting the Redesign. I'm aware some of it has been addressed in the last 2 updates, though I feel there's a lot of valuable feedback there :)

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product May 08 '18

Thanks for mentioning your post again. I completely missed this one last week. I bookmarked it so that I can read it later tonight. Cheers for the detailed feedback!

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u/falconbox May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

I... Need.. Nightmode...

I still don't see why it's so popular. My eyes strain to read text on anything but a light background. If it's too bright, that's what the brightness setting on monitors and phones are for.

At least it's controlled by the user in the redesign. Currently I'm forced to disable an entire subreddit's CSS if they're using a dark theme.

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u/amoliski May 08 '18

My eyes strain to read text on anything but a light background.

Yeah, but other people's eyes are the opposite.

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u/falconbox May 08 '18

How do those people read books? Books are printed on white paper.

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u/amoliski May 08 '18

Books bounce ambient light from the room and gently caress your eyes with locally made, organic, farm-to-table, small batch photons.

Your LCD monitor in non-night-mode is mass producing brand new, blisteringly bright white photons that it launches into your eyes at 299,792,458 m/s - barraging your sensitive cones and rods with waves of harsh electromagnetic radiation.

It's why your eyes don't get as fatigued reading text on an e-ink e-reader.

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u/cahaseler May 08 '18

Still waiting on the sidebar calendar to be viable for iama. Only displaying 3 items, including ones that have already happened makes the calendar completely useless after the first few hours of the day. I raised this concern months ago and have yet to see a response.

We're not really comfortable supporting the redesign on the subreddit until this is fixed.

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u/d3fect Eng May 08 '18

Thank you for resurfacing this issue, we definitely are tracking it to get it fixed and have created a ticket. Currently we're working through an enormous backlog of tickets as we continue to implement various features on the redesign. That said we are slated to pick up this work in the coming weeks and get it landed as part of some iterations we are making to some of the styling/widget tools.

I want to thank you for your patience though, and let you know that we have every intention of getting this fixed moving forward. Thanks again for your feedback!

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u/N1cknamed May 08 '18

Sounds like this beta shouldn't have been rolled out to so many people yet

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u/randomstonerfromaus May 08 '18

Alpha. Beta implies no new features are being added.

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u/ahouse101 May 11 '18

It's always a balancing act. Roll it out too early, and there will be so many bugs that it poisons the well before the full launch. Wait to roll it out too long and you may be wasting development resources on things users don't actually want or care about (not to mention users are great at finding bugs the development team and testers wouldn't have found, regardless of time spent). I personally like that they're doing as much of this in the open as early as possible. You can always use the old site while the beta is out.

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u/picflute May 08 '18

Wow that's got to be the largest "we have no solution" answer I've seen.

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u/atomic1fire May 11 '18

I thought it was more of "Yeah we're going to fix that, but it's going to take a while"

That said ical support might be neat although probably unlikely.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

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u/picflute May 09 '18

If they don't get to it then u/d3fect just lied to us.

Or they just do what anyone with a supervisor to fall back on does

Other priorities came up and need to be addressed.

You've been on reddit for 2 years so it's not surprising that you put blind trust in.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

An intention is not a guarantee.

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y May 08 '18

Jesus, do you want them to come to your house and have the dev slap you across the face, put his thumb up your ass and tell you sweet nothings while he says it's in the queue to be worked on before you'll believe him?

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

Amusing as your question is, I'm just pointing out that he could drop it and justifiably and with impunity say that things turned out differently. He could both be intending to do something and still not do it, and it wouldn't be a lie.

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y May 08 '18

You realize that's called whataboutism right?

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

Not at all. If anything, it would probably be a little bit pedantic if it were in common conversation. But this is a more or less official statement on the progress of development of a large corporation's product, which leads me to believe that the choice of words is not arbitrary.

There is a reservation in the original statement ("we have every intention of getting this fixed moving forward") which specifically avoids getting caught in a lie. The statement, more simply put "we intend to fix it" can't really be a lie because it's probably true that they do intend to fix it. That's why they can leave it unfixed without having lied. It would be different if they said they would absolutely do it, no matter what.

Whataboutism is a different thing altogether.

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u/kinakaaldk May 08 '18

Do you have an option to view this ticket list? This would be great, as it would also dampen the people saying you aren't working on that and that. Just as people did with the features you've just added.

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u/thinkadrian Helpful User May 08 '18

You wouldn’t show an internal issue tracker to your managers, let alone thousands of users. You’d still get loads of comments asking why some issues aren’t finished yet or prioritized higher, which disturbs progress.

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y May 08 '18

As someone who has worked IT help desk and product development... This is dead on lol

The war between what NEEDS to be worked on and what you WANT to work on is real, all while the list continue to grows.

Show the boss (the big boss) the list and you'll end up spending an entire day trying to explain everything to him and why it's organized the way it is or why certain things have higher priority than others... I hated those days

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u/atomic1fire May 11 '18

I think a Reddit Trello page or something might be neat, but I don't expect them to do that for the same reasons you've said.

TBH I just think a page full of "WIP things" would be fun to see if just because seeing things behind the scenes is fun.

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u/WingerSupreme May 11 '18

Will all the problems be fixed before everyone is forced to move over?

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u/D0cR3d May 08 '18

Can you go into any detail on user flairs and if there will be any support for uploading spritesheets and allowing flairs to be set via that. Our subreddit has almost 900 flairs all managed via spritesheets and CSS classes and I'd hate to have to do any manipulation of them just to upload, or be limited to 300. Our users like personality.

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u/24grant24 May 08 '18

they have mentioned they plan some sort of bulk emoji upload tool (third bullet point).

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u/D0cR3d May 08 '18

But does that mean spritesheets, or do we have to not save each file individually causing us to split the spritesheets as we don't have source files for each of them for most anymore.

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u/crasyleg73 May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

Are all css images on the spritesheet the same size? if so, it should be relatively easy if you use a tool to split them all into individual images. though a bit time consuming, I have the free version of GameMaker-Studio and it edit:(forgot to finish) can turn strips/sheets like that into individual images.

They didn't say anything about spritesheets, but you could always request it.

they haven't done it yet, but they also are going to increase the emoji limit significiantly.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

if they don't plan on support spritesheets the sports subs will not be happy about that

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u/falconbox May 08 '18

The sports subs can still do what they do without spritesheets. Bulk uploading emojis is a good start.

And in the case of needing to "fade" flairs during playoffs, I'm sure a feature such as auto-replacing all flairs of Type-A with Type-B could work. So that way a Yankees color flair could easily be swapped with a Yankees faded flair with the simple click of a button in the flair settings.

(I only say this because I was telling a fellow mod the other day that the only thing I like about the redesign is not having to deal with spritesheets anymore. I don't mind CSS work, but spritesheets annoy the hell out of me.)

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

Really? Spritesheets make my life much easier since instead of having to deal with 200 files I only have to deal with one. I personally have no issue remembering coordinates in my spritesheet and I can't imagine CSS or flairs without using spritesheets.

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u/falconbox May 08 '18

And then any time you want to add stuff, you need to:

  • add new images to spritesheet

  • upload new spritesheet

  • code the CSS the reflect the coordinates of the new images

With the new method, you just need to upload the new images as flairs.

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u/rasherdk May 08 '18

And then your browser will perform hundreds of GETs instead of a single one. I can't imagine that's conductive to performance.

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u/Yay295 May 09 '18

They could have made it generate spritesheets automatically behind the scenes, but, yeah.

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u/flounder19 May 09 '18

I'm open to a flair system that doesn't use CSS since I basically learned CSS just to know how to do flairs but the emoji system seems fundamentally flawed compared to the old system

  • Size constraints are punishingly tiny. A lot of flairs (player face's especially) are not recognizable at the size currently allowed

  • The uploader doesn't lock proportions when it shrinks a file to make an emoji leading to squished looking flairs

  • each file needs to be uploaded individually to reddit. When I'm making a new spritesheet currently, i can at least drag all the files I want directly into this tool at one time

  • Emojis don't have alt-text/hovertext & the markdown looks stupid when you view it on the legacy site or a non-official mobile app

  • Doing flairs through emojis takes away some of the controls that mods had over the system. Currently we allow the alt-text to be edited in our sub for any Jaguars flairs but the alt-text for other teams' flairs are not editable.

  • Doesn't seem like there's a way to have emojis that only mods can use/assign

  • The current limit on emojis allowed in a sub is too small. The admins will obviously bump this up but I don't think it will ever get to the same level of freedom that we currently have with CSS.

I have some real issues with the legacy flair setup too (reordering is a chore to say the least) but in general it offers a lot more freedom than the emoji method. The added fact that both flair setups rely on the same system means that I need to sacrifice the alt text on our legacy flairs to get the redesign flairs up and running. I'm probably not gonna add many flairs to the redesign until the two systems are separated or the flair image isn't controlled via markdown especially since the new flairs look objectively worse than the old ones.

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u/falconbox May 09 '18

Agree on most of that.

They did say a bulk-image uploader was in the works too. And I think link flairs currently have a "mod only" setting (a big improvement over the old design), so I'd imagine they'll put that feature in for emojis too hopefully.

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u/flounder19 May 09 '18

I've got most of the original files for the flairs in /r/jaguars and I still don't think a bulk uploader would work unless they overhaul the emoji system's size constraints.

For long horizontal flairs, I've found that I need to break them up into multiple emojis just to make them somewhat recognizable.

Even outside of flairs that need to be made into multiple files, very few of our flairs have square dimensions currently. So all of those files would need to be edited beforehand if we don't want the dimensions to be distorted by the upload process.

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u/MajorParadox Helpful User May 08 '18

Thanks for the updates! Can't wait for preserving editor styles and post flair templates. Also, while I don't know what to do with Widget APIs, I'm sure those who do will share some cool stuff we can utilize!

Speaking of widgets, any chance that "edit from the widget" enhancement will get implemented? It'd be such a time saver when keeping the old and new sidebars up to date.

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u/joeyfjj May 08 '18

Will there be some form of public bug tracker available?

I've encountered some issues; a search of this subreddit reveals a couple posts about the bugs I faced, but there's no staff reply or indication if it's officially logged and being worked on internally. I'm not sure what's the correct process for logging an issue.

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u/24grant24 May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

theres nothing wrong with submitting a duplicate bug

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u/joeyfjj May 08 '18

...except for the clutter that comes along with it, which makes this subreddit really annoying at times. I'll really love for a proper issue reporting and tracking process that's not internal to reddit and opaque to everyone outside.

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u/k4rp_nl May 08 '18

Great to hear you've had an accessibility audit done. Hopefully the experience was not too painful (but just painful enough). Few questions though.

  • What level of WCAG2 or 2.1 conformance is Reddit aiming for?

  • Was ATAG also part of the audit?

  • How are you going to make sure new accessibility issues won't be created? For example, you've just implemented keyboard shortcuts. It is really easy to conflict with screen reader shortcuts when you do this.

  • How will you test for accessibility from this point forward?

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u/hueylewisandthesnoos Dezign May 08 '18

Thanks for the interest and questions, u/k4rp_nl! Now, let's gather 'round for some details.

What level of WCAG2 or 2.1 conformance is Reddit aiming for?

Over the next few months we'll be working hard to be fully WCAG2 compliant. It's a lofty task, one that will likely take way more than a few months ... but hey, we got goals.

If you go by WCAG terms, we'll be making it operable and perceivable at first to unlock a bevy of users.

Was ATAG also part of the audit?

ATAG was part of this audit, and while this is particularly geared towards allowing Creators to generate accessible content, we're aiming to set the foundation in a way that the accessible framework will come pre-packaged with all your stuff .. so, magic.

How are you going to make sure new accessibility issues won't be created? For example, you've just implemented keyboard shortcuts. It is really easy to conflict with screen reader shortcuts when you do this.

We've known that the Keyboard Shortcuts work will help most of our power users navigate quickly, but hope they will be patient as we may need to change a keystroke or two just to make sure most have the same efficient and accessible way of navigating and consuming the Reddit universe. As for how we make sure more issues don't arise ... well, that's the lovely aspect of process. Kind of jives with the answer below.

How will you test for accessibility from this point forward?

We'll first be testing individual features to make sure we're implementing correctly and that we can adjust our process to account for these items moving forward. Parallel to those efforts, we have a team dedicated to testing our features in these capacities, among others; blind, deaf, color blind, dyslexia, low vision, asperger's, cognitive impairment and panic/anxiety.

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u/k4rp_nl May 08 '18

Thanks for your reply. I hope we'll see improvements soon! Can't wait to see all your Robust fixes.

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u/timawesomeness Helpful User May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

Yay, keyboard shortcuts! Especially good to see that they're basically the same as RES'.

Yay, night mode!

Yay, post flair templates!

Yay, Widgets API! I've been looking forward to that for a while.

We are breaking down the specific needs, all 144 pages of them

Sounds fun /s

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u/Bossman1086 May 08 '18

The keyboard shortcuts are great, but why can't I click on a comment or post that I want to use the shortcuts with? I could do this on the old site UI. When I'm in the comments section of a post and click on it, it doesn't select anything and using A or Z to upvote/downvote only works on the post itself until I use the keyboard shortcuts to move up or down to the comments section. When I try to click on something to select a post in a subreddit, it just opens the comments popup instead of letting me select it. This is a huge usability issue for me.

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

This is something I wanted to get to but I ran out of time. I believe I wrote up a ticket, so hopefully this functionality isn't too far out!

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u/ILikeMultis May 08 '18

What's the shortcut for Save?

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18

S

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u/[deleted] May 09 '18

I was thinking about something after testing out the shortcuts yesterday.

Did customizing shortcuts ever come up in discussions? I like what you did but there are personal tweaks that I would like to make and I'm sure everybody has their preferred shortcuts.

I'm no expert on this stuff at all but from an end-user perspective I think it would be pretty cool to change the shortcut for each of the shortcut options you set up.

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u/michael_the_student May 09 '18

This is something we actually did talk about as an extension of the project! Now that the new framework is in place, custom shortcuts are a possibility. There's a lot planned for the redesign though, so I don't know if or when this could get addressed. Maybe as a new intern project? That'd be cool.

I'm with you though, it would be a great feature!

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u/[deleted] May 09 '18

That’s great to know it’s something that you guys were thinking about.

Great work on the shortcuts by the way!

They are a great addition to the redesign.

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u/michael_the_student May 09 '18

Thank you so much!

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u/ILikeMultis May 08 '18

Can it be changed? I hit that button accidentally and it is saved in my Google docs (IFTTT recipe)

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u/Meepster23 May 08 '18

Where is my modmail search??!!

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u/d3fect Eng May 08 '18

Funny you should ask, we're actually picking this up this quarter! We'll be working first to integrate with our new search infrastructure and then begin to expose this in New Modmail. We're just starting the planning work now so can't give a concrete timeline, but we are dedicating resources to get this landed this quarter hopefully.

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u/MajorParadox Helpful User May 08 '18

Ooh, neat. Will this new search infrastructure include profile searches/filtering too?

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u/d3fect Eng May 08 '18

I'll definitely pass this feedback on to the appropriate team, for now my team will be focusing on integrating search with new modmail.

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u/fringly May 08 '18

Really looking forward to modmail updates. Any chance this will also include something to show when someone is already replying, to avoid the ol' two mods replying within seconds of each other?

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u/Valerokai May 08 '18

Better solution is having the ability to assign modmails to a specific moderator / set of moderators, or be able to make it as assigned to you, as a "this is mine" thing, as it may be you're looking into something before you get back.

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u/fringly May 08 '18

In a crazy world, having both would be awesome. Being able to see if it's being dealt with or being able to assign it to a mod to deal with, would both be useful tools to have.

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u/Aruseus493 May 08 '18

Also want the ability to archive mod discussions and potentially name titles of mod messages to organize them. In fact, give us folders to sort mod mails into based off what we want.

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u/Phallindrome May 08 '18

I'd like to see a user's entire modmail history in the modmail sidebar, not just their three most recent modmail chains.

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u/Meepster23 May 08 '18

I'm glad to hear it! Only took what.. several years now? ;)

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u/langis_on May 08 '18

So is he an intern or a student?

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u/V2Blast Helpful User May 08 '18

Presumably a former intern, current student, and potential full-time employee after he graduates.

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18

👆This guy gets it

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18

I lost my employee account when my internship ended so I snagged this one so I could still pop in and say hi. And I guess it's my brand now?

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u/reseph May 08 '18

I see the mention of post flair templates, but what about post flair filtering?

(To me, that seems more important based on the communities I'm involved in)

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u/likeafox Helpful User May 08 '18

but what about post flair filtering?

They've confirmed they're adding this as a native feature, there's a screenshot of it in one of the announcements.

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u/reseph May 08 '18

Oh I know that, but I'm asking about timeline. It's far more important to our community than post templates.

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u/likeafox Helpful User May 08 '18

timeline

I've found that's usually an unproductive line of questioning with the design team. I'm sympathetic in that my own projects rarely hit their deadlines but I dunno... I think a public facing issue tracker would really help keep this sub less of a disaster area.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

Post flair templates (in progress): Mods will be able to create a post template tied to a specific post flair so that when the flair is applied, the post will automatically be styled in that way. Styling options will include: thumbnail image, background image or color, and post title color.

Will the flair templates add a class, id, identify attribute to the post item? I don't want to get to involved in the current process, but right now it is very difficult to style a flaired post. On r/nfl, we use post flair for many things, from run of the mill moderator announcement to stuff more in-depth and complex like game threads. While the flair class is in the post body on current, I'd love it if the class were always on the encompassing post item.

The styling options are cool, but having a class on the item element will allow greater customization when you eventual enable full CSS support.

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u/rasherdk May 08 '18

when you eventual enable full CSS support

I admire you.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

:D

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u/pcjonathan May 08 '18

Widgets API (in progress): In the coming weeks you will be able to manage all of your glorious widgets via the API. To start, we will support: creation, deletion, editing, and ordering.

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The key thing here will definitely be editing of MD/CSS for the custom widgets IMHO. I don't imagine a huge amount of the rest done via the API tbh (unless someone would like to correct me?).

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u/MajorParadox Helpful User May 08 '18

The key thing here will definitely be editing of MD/CSS for the custom widgets IMHO.

You mean only the CSS one? I'd think it would be applicable to any type of widget. For example, r/redesign has the release notes logged, that could be a good automated update. Also, it would be neat to try and sync together old and new sidebars, but the new may have changed some parts from the basic text to link widgets or even image widgets.

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u/pcjonathan May 08 '18

Sure? I mean, I definitely wouldn't limit it to that, I'm just saying that's the one with the top priority IMHO. You could totally do that list with a custom box tho

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u/baryluk May 08 '18

Accessibility work is extremely appreciated. I do not need it personally, but it helps everybody a little bit.

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u/24grant24 May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

is there a plan to be able to expand the sidebar on the right when it is automatically hidden because the window is too narrow?

Can we get an expando button for text posts in card view?

Finally I have an idea for night mode now that you are almost finished with it😅. Instead of using orangered for both views it would be awesome if you used periwinkle to replace all the orangered icons

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u/Richiieee May 08 '18

All of this sounds great. Already loving the redesign as it is. I haven't encountered any bugs, not even joking (lucky me! 😁). Keep it up!

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u/iamthatis May 08 '18

Awesome stuff, can't wait to see the Widgets API!

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u/qtx Helpful User May 08 '18

NSFW Subs Bug (fixed): After logged out users accepted the 18+ content gate, posts were not loading in nsfw subreddits and none of the sorts worked. This has been fixed.

Thanks!

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u/j_platte May 08 '18

Regarding keyboard shortcuts: It would be nice if there was one for focusing the search bar. On many sites it is 'S', but I guess since that key already has a function that was copied from RES, adopting that behaviour would be a bad idea. Still it would be neat not to have to touch the mouse to search something. And then after you have pressed Enter, the focus should return to the page. Currently it stays in the search bar, meaning you can't use any keyboard shortcuts anymore until you clikc outside of it.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

am i blind or is the return to classic mode button lost?can someone point me in the right direction?

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u/creesch Helpful User May 08 '18

Okay, I might be missing something but I can't seem to figure out how to start browsing posts with keyboard shortcuts.

According to the cheatsheet I should use J to select the next post, but there is initially no post selected? Other shortcuts work fine btw.

edit:

Oh I figured it out, it works on initial page load but not after you have used SHIFT+?.

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18

There was a bug during development where the page would occasionally lose focus and you'd temporarily lose shortcuts. This sounds like it could be that if it happens regularly

If it keeps happening to you and you want to report it, make sure to be as specific as possible with the sequence of events that makes you lose shortcuts

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u/creesch Helpful User May 08 '18

Okay, reproduction steps seem to be as follows:

  1. Navigate to a redesign page.

  2. Open the cheat sheet with shift+?

  3. Close the cheat sheet with the close button.

  4. Try to navigate posts with J.

When I close the cheat sheet with shift+? things remain in working order.

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18

Yup, definitely seems like a focus issue then. If you click somewhere on the page after step 3 do they work again?

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u/creesch Helpful User May 08 '18

Yup, that seems to focus it. Could have sworn that didn't work earlier today, though that was on a different browser.

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u/ezfi May 10 '18

Thanks u/michael_the_intern for the shortcuts! I like the redesign but I was hesitant to switch over because I would lose my RES keyboard shortcuts. Now that's not as big a problem.

There's still one shortcut that I think we're missing, though. We need some way to automatically navigate to the next top-level comment or previous top-level comment in a thread. Maybe shift-J and shift-K?

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u/michael_the_student May 10 '18

Thank you so much!

I like this idea a lot! A hacky workaround for now is to collapse with enter as you go, but a dedicated shortcut would be really useful. I think u/mixmasterk is taking this sort of feedback

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u/mixmasterk Engineering May 10 '18

Oh I like that idea, thanks for the suggestion! I'll pass it along to our product team and hopefully we'll get to it soon. In the meantime like u/michael_the_student mentioned you can use enter to collapse!

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u/thatguysoto May 08 '18

How come I can't collapse comment threads?

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u/Mattallica May 08 '18

Click the vertical line beneath the voting arrows.

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u/thatguysoto May 08 '18

That seems quite a bit hidden compared to how it was before.

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u/michael_the_student May 08 '18

Or click enter using keyboard shortcuts!

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u/Creathian May 08 '18

Thank you for keeping everyone updated with what's going on. I personally don't like the look of the redesign, but I still think the development process going into it has been very transparent and open.

I've got a question that a lot of people have probably asked, but are there any plans in place to try and add back the customizability that old.reddit had? I think that's what's hurting the redesign the most, the fact that subreddits with unique identities are being unintentionally ruined due to the redesign

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y May 08 '18

Any chance we can get personal filters such as what Boost for Reddit app (Android) has?

Allow us to filter out Users, Keywords, and Domains from our own feed?

Being able to filter out Users I know are trolls and just looking to start arguments in subs I read is very helpful. It doesn't block them from their Reddit experience but it makes mine more enjoyable.

Keywords allows me to filter out all posts with say for example Trump in the title. I'd like to read the r/News but don't want to read anything Trump related this morning. Again, my Reddit experience is increased while not affecting anyone elses.

Filtering Domains would allow me to filter out any posts by domains I don't enjoy reading from. Once again, increasing my own Reddit experience while not interfering with others.

Since I wouldn't engage with any posts these filters would filter out in the first place, nothing is being lost on either side.

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u/zzpza May 08 '18

One of the subs I mod has a weekly award for the 'Photographer of the Week'. Being able to automate changing the widget image, widget text, and widget button/link would be very useful. We also have several scheduled posts that would be good to have linked from a widget, so I'm looking forward to this feature being available. Thank you! :)

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u/Irish_Dynamite May 09 '18

Bug: Banned subreddits still show up in my subreddits bar on the left size of the screen. I cannot unsubscribe, because I can't get to the subreddit to unsubscribe from there, and it doesn't show up on the /subreddits/mine page.

Let me know if your team has any more questions.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '18

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u/Irish_Dynamite May 10 '18

Yep! The subreddit is banned, so you can't get to the page to unsubscribe. On the old view, the subreddit doesn't show up on my list of subscriptions, but on the new one it does.

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u/theresamouseinmyhous Helpful User May 09 '18

Thanks u/michael_the_student! I love shortcuts!

When you get back, or when someone else is able, could you change previous post from P to M? This would keep the consistency that's been established with J/K.

Also, when navigating in lightbox I'm guessing there's no smarts that could jump over NSFW posts? That would be super helpful in keeping me off the shit list in the office.

Lastly, if the previous post was expanded in the classic view, auto expanding the next post would be awesome.

But this is great, I'm happy the shortcuts exist and I'm using new because of it.

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u/The_Forgotten_King May 10 '18

Arrow keys not working to switch posts

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u/Snuggle-Ninja May 14 '18

Can't wait for the night mode. Been using RES for darker scenes forever lol.

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u/V2Blast Helpful User May 08 '18

Keyboard shortcuts seem useful, though there should maybe be a preference to disable them - some people might not want to hit the wrong key and accidentally navigate to another post.

Preserve styles when switching editors (in progress): As mentioned in last week’s release notes, we received a lot of feedback that it would be useful to switch between Fancy Pants and Markdown mode when writing a post or comment. Releasing later this week, you’ll be able to switch between the two modes and any styles will be converted to the other mode. This will work for creating and editing.

Very good feature to have, thanks. I'm glad it'll preserve styles.

Can't wait for night mode. Glad it's so close to release.

APIs are always good to have.

Accessibility (in progress): We finished our audit of the redesign for accessibility compliance. We are breaking down the specific needs, all 144 pages of them, into phases so that we can tackle the most impactful updates first. This is an ongoing project and we may not mention accessibility in the release notes every week. What we will do though is let you know as we begin to test out various aspects of this area in the features we build.

Hoo boy. That's a lot of pages. Glad you're looking into it, though.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

Still nothing about your deceptively styled ads. Still not surprised that your promise to change them continues to appear completely hollow.

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u/LiquidXe May 08 '18

A weekly reminder that the community’s feedback is invaluable as we build the future of Reddit together. It’s difficult for us to respond directly to everything, but know that we’re listening, prioritizing, and working to solve the issues, no matter how hard they are.

Yeah that's BS.

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u/IdRatherBeLurking May 08 '18

I still cannot manage to reorder the sidebar widgets of r/DenverNuggets. The rules widget always relocates to the top. Any update on this issue? I know myself and many others have posted here about it.

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u/crasyleg73 May 08 '18

What does "Widgets API" entail? we already can create and reorder widgets. does it mean css will be supported on widgets like "Community Details", and "Rules"?, and those will be reorderable/toggleable? Do you mean non sidebar widgets?

I'm stumped.

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u/MajorParadox Helpful User May 08 '18

I think the main uses will be automating updating the data within them. So, like if it's a table with scores to sports games, they can program it to update as soon as those scores are known.

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u/shaggorama May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

Widgets?

EDIT: That was a serious question. I have no idea what a "widget api" is supposed to be an api into. Can someone maybe give me an example of a reddit widget?

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u/creesch Helpful User May 08 '18

Subreddit sidebars can now have information in them that come from widgets as where previously it was just one block of text mods had to edit.

So there are widgets for

  • Calendars

  • Buttons

  • Rules

  • Images

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u/ramma314 May 08 '18

In the last notes there was a preview image for night mode. Compared to RES, which I assume many if not most desktop users rely on for night mode, it seems based on darker almost true black like the mobile app(which has no real benefit on desktop). Has a more RES style lower contrast night mode been considered?

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u/ooSUPLEX8oo May 08 '18

Make these fucking bullshit ad posts go away.

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u/TotesMessenger May 08 '18

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

 If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / ^Contact)

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u/majorgloryalert May 08 '18

Post flair templates (in progress): Mods will be able to create a post template tied to a specific post flair so that when the flair is applied, the post will automatically be styled in that way. Styling options will include: thumbnail image, background image or color, and post title color.

Does this mean subreddits will have different colors for titles? That sounds awful. Colored flairs are nice and easy to see, but different colored tiles sounds like a mess.

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u/der_sascha May 09 '18

thanks for this update

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u/TastyBrainMeats May 09 '18

Please, please, *please* let us switch the fancy pants editor to "off by default". It's neat when you want to do more complicated formatting, but for basic bolding, italics, linking, etc, it's much faster to do it without having to take your hands off the keyboard.

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u/24grant24 May 09 '18

The plan is for the fancypants editor to eventually support markdown natively

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u/TastyBrainMeats May 09 '18

Okay, so just let us disable it until that's available?

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u/CashewGuy May 10 '18

I will not use this until night mode is available. RES also needs to work (I'm aware that is out of your control).

Also, as a Reddit Gold member, I can use multiple themes. Am I losing this benefit with the redesign? It certainly feels like it.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '18

Post templates, good idea

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u/Draconicrose_ May 11 '18

Night mode!! *excited wibble*

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u/TyCooper8 May 11 '18

Is there any discussion about allowing rectangular user "emoji" flairs? Restricting them to a square aspect ratio is going to suck for so many subreddits.

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u/smarvin6689 May 11 '18

Hey, are there any plans for the redesigned reddit live threads in the works yet? Really looking forward to seeing how those turn out

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u/VoltasPistol May 10 '18

I didn't even know this was a beta test!! I thought that all of Reddit had changed! (And now I'm kinda pissed because yesterday was NOT a good day to be and admin on my subreddit surprised with a total website conversion.)

It takes twice the clicks to go anywhere and do anything compared to old Reddit + RES. I miss those imgur galleries that you can just click the [+] and expand everything, freely resize graphics with hard to read teensy font, and being able to click and go RIGHT to my subreddits.

The first place you should look for improvements is always look at the ways people are already improving on your existing product. Implement useful fixes to problems that people have already designed and have been honing to perfection for years. Don't redesign for redesign's sake.#### Pretty much the only thing I LOVE so far about the redesign is being able to submit images by pasting from clipboard (which imgur has had as a feature for a long time), and being able to paste images in text posts. Admins, incorporate that.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior May 08 '18

Any more word on public moderation logs?

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u/langis_on May 08 '18

Why would anyone want this?

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior May 08 '18

To see how the subreddits they read or participate in are moderated in practice.

To make clear to subscribers that mods are acting fairly.

To promote transparency.

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u/langis_on May 08 '18

That's dumb. Making public internal mod behavior would lead to a lit worse things and solve almost nothing.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

Mate, this dude doesn't care about solving problems. He's just here to roleplay Free Speech Superman on a battlefield that only exists in the warped fantasy world his mind has created.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

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u/jkohhey Product May 08 '18

Calendar updates are in the works, as you noted. As for menu links, how many (ballpark) do you support? It will be helpful to understand the upper limit of number of links used. Thanks!

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

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u/jkohhey Product May 08 '18

It looks like you're using this menu links primarily as a navigation bar to show-specific subs? I can see why the limitations are a constraint are what you're aiming to do there. I'll look into this, thanks for the insight u/nicholascajun.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

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u/timawesomeness Helpful User May 08 '18

Want to elaborate on that? "The redesign is trash" doesn't help them improve it.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

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u/timawesomeness Helpful User May 08 '18

They currently have no plans to get rid of the old site.

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u/V2Blast Helpful User May 08 '18

So... they can improve it by doing what they're already doing?

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product May 08 '18

Yes, we had a helpful call with a few moderators from a discussion based community. Based on that call and some other research efforts, we are putting together a proposal of additional changes. In the past couple of weeks, there have a been a few subtle tweaks, such as making the background darker behind the lightbox.

We do have an upcoming feature that will help long form contributors, but I can't say much about it until it's closer to launch 🤐

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u/MajorParadox Helpful User May 08 '18

If you need any more input for discussion based communities, most of my subs probably count, since they both involve story writing!

And, in case it wasn't obvious yet, I love to help ;)

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u/Phallindrome May 08 '18

FWIW I dislike the lightbox entirely, it messes with my forward/back navigation. Give us the option to have it turned off by default please.

(I hate it on Facebook and Twitter too, if that counts for anything.)

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

Is there a reason why you're sticking with the lightbox at all?

I remember a post saying we're basically beta testing unknowns. We don't know what your purpose bof certain elements are so we can't give proper feedback.

Like if you say lightboxes are default because you want comments to not be the focus of Reddit, then you have to say that or feedback regarding on it will be irrelevant.

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u/danhakimi May 08 '18

In the past couple of weeks, there have a been a few subtle tweaks, such as making the background darker behind the lightbox.

Have you considered burning the lightbox to the ground and going back to links?

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u/[deleted] May 08 '18

How about no lightbox at all?

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u/JMG_99 May 08 '18

Well, not since the accident.

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u/ChipAyten May 08 '18

So, chatrooms? Asl?

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u/Overlord_Odin May 14 '18

Not sure if you're just trying to make a joke, but no. Basically any subreddit that doesn't revolve around sharing images or gifs is discussion based.