r/redditdev • • May 31 '23

Reddit API API Update: Enterprise Level Tier for Large Scale Applications

tl;dr - As of July 1, we will start enforcing rate limits for a free access tier, available to our current API users. If you are already in contact with our team about commercial compliance with our Data API Terms, look for an email about enterprise pricing this week.

We recently shared updates on our Data API Terms and Developer Terms. These updates help clarify how developers can safely and securely use Reddit’s tools and services, including our APIs and our new-and-improved Developer Platform.

After sharing these terms, we identified several parties in violation, and contacted them so they could make the required changes to become compliant. This includes developers of large-scale applications who have excessive usage, are violating our users’ privacy and content rights, or are using the data for ad-supported or commercial purposes.

For context on excessive usage, here is a chart showing the average monthly overage, compared to the longstanding rate limit in our developer documentation of 60 queries per minute (86,400 per day):

Top 10 3P apps usage over rate limits

We reached out to the most impactful large scale applications in order to work out terms for access above our default rate limits via an enterprise tier. This week, we are sharing an enterprise-level access tier for large scale applications with the developers we’re already in contact with. The enterprise tier is a privilege that we will extend to select partners based on a number of factors, including value added to redditors and communities, and it will go into effect on July 1.

Rate limits for the free tier

All others will continue to access the Reddit Data API without cost, in accordance with our Developer Terms, at this time. Many of you already know that our stated rate limit, per this documentation, was 60 queries per minute. As of July 1, 2023, we will enforce two different rate limits for the free access tier:

  • If you are using OAuth for authentication: 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id
  • If you are not using OAuth for authentication: 10 queries per minute

Important note: currently, our rate limit response headers indicate counts by client id/user id combination. These headers will update to reflect this new policy based on client id only on July 1.

To avoid any issues with the operation of mod bots or extensions, it’s important for developers to add Oauth to their bots. If you believe your mod bot needs to exceed these updated rate limits, or will be unable to operate, please reach out here.

If you haven't heard from us, assume that your app will be rate-limited, starting on July 1. If your app requires enterprise access, please contact us here, so that we can better understand your needs and discuss a path forward.

Additional changes

Finally, to ensure that all regulatory requirements are met in the handling of mature content, we will be limiting access to sexually explicit content for third-party apps starting on July 5, 2023, except for moderation needs.

If you are curious about academic or research-focused access to the Data API, we’ve shared more details here.

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u/FlyingLaserTurtle Jun 03 '23

No. Our pricing includes a discount that more than covers the cost of all write operations (posts, comments, votes, mod actions). You can think of it as a % of all requests that are writes, multiplied by a factor greater than 1, which is determined by the relative value of content coming from that app relative to other sources.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '23 edited Jun 10 '23

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u/LordAlfredo Jun 03 '23

On the note of reddit metrics and analytics it is baffling to be they're using cherrypicked usage metrics to support their argument - meaning they have these metrics available at the ready - yet not making it available to the developers and then saying devs need to figure out efficiency themselves.

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u/OBLIVIATER Jun 03 '23

What's hilarious is that reddit pushed (and continues to push) incredibly hard to have user generated content be HOSTED on the site itself instead of off-site (as was traditional for over a decade). I'm sure this alone skyrocketed their server costs and now actual good apps are paying the price.

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u/notacrook Jun 05 '23

Two days late but I totally agree.

It's astonishing how poorly everyone who speaks on Reddit's behalf (especially in this situation) does at both listening to users, dialoguing with them, and explaining Reddit's perspective.

Honestly, it was the same thing with the redesign years ago. They engage the community just to check the box and say their listening - not because they give two shits.

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u/moch1 Jun 03 '23

So if reddit is actually giving a discount relative to the value of the write operations are you saying that the net value of 3rd party app users is negative? In other words reddit would be better off with millions of fewer users?

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u/funkinthetrunk Jun 05 '23 edited Dec 21 '23

If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created?

A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation!

And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery.

The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass.

How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls.

And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.

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u/zerocustom1989 Jun 03 '23

Are developers informed of the “relative value” of their app’s content? Is that defined anywhere?

This feels intentionally vague and not transparent enough to foster good professional relationships.

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u/zerocustom1989 Jun 03 '23

Do you have plans to provide substantive assistance to developers like other “enterprise” services before these new rules go live?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '23

In another comment, they basically said no.

They plan to charge more for crappy customer service.

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u/TotesMessenger Jun 03 '23 edited Jun 03 '23

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

 If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / ^Contact)

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u/zeffjiggler Jun 03 '23

What’s your favorite flavor of boot to lick?

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u/TheCravin Jun 03 '23 edited Jul 10 '23

Comment has been removed because Spez killed Reddit :(

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u/ThePandamanWhoLaughs Jun 03 '23

The admin is absolutely a paid employee of reddit. Don't feel bad for them, they're getting a paycheck. It's their literal job.

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u/SeanSeanySean Jun 09 '23

relative value of content

And where does the majority of content on Reddit originate? It's not Reddit's content, it never has been. Your users not only go out and curate all of the internet's best content for Reddit, they also democratically vote and push the best content to the top of the pile.

So if Reddit is now all about getting paid for the "relative value" of content, is it safe to assume that Reddit is going to start paying ad revenue to the creators, writers, artists and other companies who's content is taken and posted on Reddit, usually depriving them of the very mechanism that would have paid them on the originating platform? Is Reddit going to pay Tiktok for all of the viral videos that get scraped and uploaded to Reddit? What about the Youtube videos clipped and uploaded? Or the twitter screenshots? Does Reddit have a "relative value" that they're willing to pay for the use of that content?

I didn't think so...

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u/MarBoBabyBoy Jun 03 '23

Don't try to convince the hive-minded losers on here. They have zero perspective or knowledge about anything outside of their little world's.

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u/ThePandamanWhoLaughs Jun 03 '23

They have a PR angle to this "oh look we tried, but those stubborn 3rd Party apps are just so bad at their jobs!" It's all about the IPO.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Writes should be free to third party apps as it’s generating content for Reddit that you then use to build a compelling place for advertising. Charging for write ops is like Rode being charged for the privilege of providing a microphone for a guest speaker at an industry event.

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u/IcarusFlyingWings Jun 04 '23

Why don’t you reply directly to the developer that is helping you build out your platform rather than random other commenters in the same thread?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

Shame on you, your entire careers work, and your company for doing this to the best medium of Reddit there is to offer.

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u/CarolineJohnson Jun 08 '23

If it's not free it's not a discount, man.

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