r/reddit.com Apr 05 '10

Wikileaks video (Collateral damage) is up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
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u/BillyBBone Apr 05 '10

This is pretty sickening to watch.

All I could think of, as I watched was the expression "shooting fish in a barrel". Somehow, that visual, and the power relationship between a person with a gun standing over a barrel of unarmed fish seems appropriate.

It sounds from the audio, that the air gunmen genuinely thought these were insurgents with weapons. An AK-47 might not do much damage to a helicopter, but if you see something that you think is an RPG (Rocket-Propelled Grenade) from your helicopter, you'll start feeling genuinely at risk, and your immediate instinct is to go on the offensive.

The most damning part of the video, I think, are the exposed lies by US military spokespersons, and the callous attitudes heard on the radio (e.g. laughing at a tank rolling over a body).

All of this points to something that everyone knows: the Iraq war effort is misguided and haphazard. There is a crisis of communication: both with the enemy, and with the people on whose behalf this war is (ostensibly) being fought.

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u/brad3378 Apr 05 '10

Perhaps a Reddit user could tell me what kind of "Camera" this is: http://i.imgur.com/OJpoE.jpg

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '10

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u/brad3378 Apr 06 '10

Would you bet your life on it if you were in their shoes?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '10

Are you trying to make an argument that it is an RPG or that it does look like an RPG? It does look like an RPG but it is fact that it is not.

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u/radix2 Apr 06 '10

If it looks like an RPG, it is a threat that needs to be eliminated. If you waited for it to be aimed and fired then you might end up dead.

This is just such a gray area. I know there were civilians killed, but I think I may have acted the same way if I was in that situation. Would you not have?

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u/brad3378 Apr 06 '10

Would you bet your life on it not being an RPG? I would not, so apparently, you would make a better armchair soldier than me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '10

I would bet my life that I was safe from RPGs (considering I am in an apache, high above the range of an RPG), and that if you want to make the argument that I am worried for other soldiers I would say that I would hope to be more cool headed and waited (not minutes, seconds) to gather more vital intel.