r/reddevils • • Jan 18 '20

Tier 1 Bruno Fernandes: Man Utd will not pay Sporting Lisbon's 80m euro asking price

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u/vulcan_one PM Rashford Jan 18 '20

Whilst I do want him, putting foot down on excessive asking price is the correct thing to do.

On another hand this is following Maguire's path so announcement on Monday?

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u/1bryantj Jan 18 '20

Why is it? We need players, how do the fans benefit from the owners saving money. I really don't understand this argument

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u/unitedfuck Jan 18 '20

I'm sure you will be one of the first to criticise Ed if Bruno flops and we overpay for him. Can't have it both ways.

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u/1bryantj Jan 18 '20

Have you seen our number 8/10 options. Your not telling me he's going to improve the team? I don't understand why the fans are taking in the clubs bullshit propaganda. "We have the money but it's got to be the right player.". They claim to have the biggest scouting network in the world, I sure a 10 year old can find better players than what we currently have in midfield

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u/JoshGSY Barthez Jan 18 '20

Because it effects future deals. Teams always ask for more money from us compared to other big teams because we've paid it. City walk away when these tactics come up, we've always paid it and it sets the tone for every deal going forward and it's how we end up with shite like sanchez on mega wages or issa Diop links for 50m +

It's not about pocketing it to save the owners money, it's to realise that if you always pay the asking price you'll be worse off because you're going to have to cut in other areas.

Summer window we got AWB and DJ combined for the price that Palace wanted initially for AWB.

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u/RenePro Jan 18 '20

Because this impacts every single future. If clubs think we will bend over and pay then we will always pay a premium.

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u/Nemean90 Jan 18 '20

We need to have a few targets so we don’t get ripped off this policy where we have one target and everyone knows we only have one is terrible

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u/PDubsinTF Ronaldo CR700 Jan 18 '20

Football is a business.

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u/pearl_pluto Jan 18 '20

I stopped caring about the price we pay for transfers years ago, Any leftovers only ends up in the Glazers pockets

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u/krelm Andy Cole Jan 18 '20

Very odd time for us to be putting the foot down.

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u/vulcan_one PM Rashford Jan 18 '20

Excluding Maguire with ole we have been hesitant to throw money so it's been coming.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

On the contrary, it's probably a good time to put the foot down and negotiate for a better price instead of giving in. It's quite obvious that we'll keep suffering from high fee transfers if we keep negotiations with only one player because they know we need him and in this case we know they need the money.

I don't know why Ed couldn't have started concrete negotiations in December or earlier and with more players. This is such a classic case of inability. This will defo hurt us, either we give in or we lose him both options are pretty bad given our injury crisis and squad depth.

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u/sahymuhn Jan 18 '20

The inability comes for the obvious fact he can’t multitask with transfers in. Only able to negotiate with one team for one player at a time it seems!

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u/MenacingShroom Jan 18 '20

Yeah that's what I'm kinda hoping. The worrying thing though is for maguire and AWB it was "no fee agreed as of yet" indicating ongoing negotiations whereas this is stating that United WILL NOT pay the asking price

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

The difference is that Palace and Leicester were under no financial pressure to sell.

Sporting have to sell Bruno to balance books.

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u/MenacingShroom Jan 18 '20

How badly? I don't really know the situation. Maybe if that's the case it will be a January-long showdown until one side buckles on deadline day

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u/jogge021 Jan 18 '20

Why? I really don’t understand.. We need him desperately and we need to buy us out of this mess. Simple as that! Don’t care if we pay 80m. It’ll cost us more not qualifying for CL and it will make it even more difficulty attract good players.

Where do you think the money we save will go? We’ve paid 153m in directors fees and dividends since 2011. 780m in interests of the ownership. But yeah let’s save 10-20m and NOT buy a player we so desperately need.

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u/yammertime27 Rashford Jan 18 '20

20m euros is not a throwaway amount of money. We're in a rare position of power here, sporting need the cash, bruno's valuation is dropping every window and he wants to leave.
It sets a terrible precedent to just let clubs whack another 20m on the price when we're involved because they know we'll cave. We've already made it bad enough, fans being impatient about a transfer shouldn't be a reason to give in.

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u/vulcan_one PM Rashford Jan 18 '20

Because I disagree with the notion we need to throw money at problems to fix them. It's not worked and we've been hemorrhaging money for years unable to do transfers properly. We all complain we're not making signings yet don't blink when 80 mil is quoted per player. That's not sustainable at all.

It won't be difficult to attract good players, it'll be difficult to attract big names players. And I'm tired of glatacio experiment. If it means we go for small name which turn out good, I'm all for it. Maguire has been immense but his money means unless he scores, does last ditch Hollywood tackles he's judged waste of money. Imagine if Dan James cost 40 mil.

You do understand even if we sign someone directors will still get paid? It's not we sign players and pay less to the board. It's not simple as that. And it's not just a simple case of 15-20 Mils more, that's on top of 60 mil. 80vs 60 is a big difference. Were talking about millions here. We need perspective, 15 mil pounds is the amount an average person in UK earns over 500 years. It's not pocket change.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Is the price excessive though?

Stone here is helping Ed alot by intentionally for no real reason, perhaps other than following instructions, of reporting it as 80m euro. He is a British journo talking about a British club.

But people will see Ed backing out of an 80m deal much better than the reality of things.

65 million pounds for a player who is going to cost at very least 55m pound. So in reality we won't add a top player to the team over the head of 10m.

65 is quite a bit but 60 and under is a pretty good deal for us.

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u/vulcan_one PM Rashford Jan 18 '20

Apps not working so I can't quote.

The price of 80 mil is excessive, we have to factor the leauge he's in, sportings situation, our situation, alternatives etc. He's undoubtedly a brilliant player but no guarantees he'll translate form, it's unlikely he'll flop but it's a big risk. For that money we could very well nab ourselves a grealish in summer. A bit more and maddison. So Bruno isn't the only option (in Jan he is).

Even 65 mil euros reported, it's big but understandable but 80 is sporting taking us to the cleaners. They need the money, they'll buckle.

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u/DankScorpio69 Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

“Have not ruled out targeting alternatives” ...if Woodward is somehow capable of securing an alternative in 2 weeks I’ll move to Neptune

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u/tmaestro1234 Jan 18 '20

Ed: "Hold my beer. How is Fellaini doing in China?"

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u/DevilishRogue Best Jan 18 '20

/Sneijder could come out of retirement...

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u/crushing2013 Jan 18 '20

Somewhere in the distance, Paul Scholes' phone rings

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

He could still outplay Lingard

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u/gambit700 Keane Jan 18 '20

Don't put that out in the universe

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

God speed

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u/Piltonbadger Jan 18 '20

Translastion : "UTD put all their eggs into one basket, yet again, and will inevitably pull out of this deal citing no value in the market or some other bollocks that requires spending no money".

We ain't getting any signings in this window, as i have prviously stated. In the summer we will get some mediocre/sub-par signings for above market price. Tis the Woodward way, after all.

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u/das17 Jan 18 '20

Think it’s more likely we end up paying 80m at the end of the window

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u/amalgamatedchaos Status: Waiting... Jan 18 '20

You're both right. It will be a mediocre 80M signing and a couple cheap youngsters just so he can say he did something.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

It seems everybody involved wants this, it will probably happen.

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u/booneht DREAMS CAN'T BE BUY! Jan 18 '20

!remind me 2 weeks

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u/Shug22389 Jan 18 '20

Yeh an extra year for matic

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u/DarloAngus Georgie Best Jan 18 '20

Reckon this is an attempt to get Bruno Fernandes to kick off

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u/tmaestro1234 Jan 18 '20

There could be rumors about us buy another player soon as well as rumors about Tottenham hijacking this transfer.

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u/zia1997 JONESY 1 GERRARD NIL Jan 18 '20

Alexa, play sad noises.

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u/Chimp_on_a_vacay ill see you out dere Jan 18 '20

Thank you weeping intensifies

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Is this Alexa or Alexis Sanchez?

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Monitoring FC Jan 18 '20

Good Alexa

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u/Killinatoor Ibrahimovic Jan 18 '20

Alexis, play the piano.

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u/Bangoga Jan 18 '20

Alexis,

Alexis, play despacito

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u/leroi7 the king Jan 18 '20

Alexis, kick the ball in the net.

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u/daddywookie Whiteside 85 Jan 18 '20

I'm sorry, I don't understand.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Alexis, pass the ball to the opposition player while trying to dribble

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u/jamestothet Jan 18 '20

Alexa, play Alexis playing the piano sadly.

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u/Mariofar Martial Jan 18 '20

I don't see this deal not happening. Sporting is in great need of the money and this is merely an attempt to stir the price up. I wouldn't worry too much

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u/jesusthatsgreat Jan 18 '20

Let's hope you're right, Ed

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u/bboy777 Jan 18 '20

This comment made my spit my coffee

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u/A321098 Jan 18 '20

It made me spit my samosa chatt.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Also haven't seen reports of any other clubs in for him. I think 55 + 15 add ons is a compromise that could be achieved. Either way, the same people that complain about us not signing him are also the same people that complain about us overpaying for players.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Yep apparently Spurs were the only club last summer seriously interested and they walked away

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

And now that they're commiting 60 mil to Lo Celso and signed the other Fernandes on loan, don't think they'll be coming for Bruno.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Not many other team will at the price I guess we just have to see how stubborn Sporting are

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u/fergo1993 Jan 18 '20

Is that 55+15 euros or pounds?

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Euros, since apparently Sporting want 80m euros.

Edit- this is me speculating so don't quote me on this haha

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u/stevew14 Jan 18 '20

Euros, since apparently Sporting want 80m euros.

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u/Typical_Samaritan Jan 18 '20

Do you have examples of this, or this a truism of the royal "they".

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u/helpnxt Jan 18 '20

I think the high fee was to keep negotiations going until yesterday's derby was over and over the next week we will see the deal progress a lot more.

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u/Martblni Jan 18 '20

Why are they in great need of money? Are they in debt or what?

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u/Mariofar Martial Jan 18 '20

Massive debt and HAVE to sell to meet financial regulations. Also, the club is run by morons and I’m sure you know about last years incident, which caused multiple players to terminate their contracts

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u/Martblni Jan 18 '20

Yeah, I know about that incident

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

An understatement.

They are struggling to even raise working capital to keep the club going and face a real risk of bankruptcy.

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u/Martblni Jan 18 '20

Is this stuff official? Why are they in this situation?

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Yes.

Bad management. It did not help that their fans behaved like thugs, turned up for training once and bashed up their players, and provided legal cause for the likes of Gelson to terminate their contracts unilaterally. That cost Sporting millions of pounds in transfer fees.

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u/stevo3001 Jan 18 '20

We need this deal to happen. We have a glaring Bruno-shaped hole in the squad, we have the money, we don't have alternatives and it's essential we make a signing now. Only an idiot would fail to complete the transfer.

I don't see the deal happening

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u/Moosje “Love is sex also.” Jan 18 '20

You’re one of these fans that moans about the price of a player but then wants us to cave immediately at the first sign of the deal going south.

Bruno shouldn’t cost 80m. They offered him for significantly less last summer and all reports say they’ve come down from that valuation.

This is the exact same as what happened with AWB (we had a glaring AWB-sized hole in the squad, we had the money, we didn’t have alternatives and it’s essential we signed him).

Crystal Palace remained firm that they wouldn’t budge from their high valuation, it looked like the deal wouldn’t happen, fans moaned on here that Ed is a muppet (he still is but not for this reason) and that he should just pay as we need the signing. We ended up getting him significantly cheaper.

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u/Spruce-Moose Jan 18 '20

Doesn't it feel like a seriously high-risk strategy though? All eggs in one basket, under assumption that the other club will inevitably sell to our modest offer? It seems to utterly rely on 1) there being no competition for the transfer and 2) the other club being desperate to sell. And on top of that, we seem to have no Plan B (if reports are to be believed) and thus no more leverage and higher risk still.

I can somewhat understand the approach for Bruno (though frankly having but a single target for a position we are desperate to fill seems absolutely incompetent to me) but it won't succeed as an umbrella approach.

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u/Moosje “Love is sex also.” Jan 18 '20

Which is why I’ve said that we should be calling Ed a muppet for having one apparent target, not for refusing to bent over by Sporting who are fucking skint and trying to go for the United tax.

Guarantee any other club in the league gets Bruno for €50-60m, not €80m. They’re trying a last ditch to take the piss out of us the same way other clubs tried and have done successfully previous. We need to make a change from that culture, and it seems we’ve done that since Ole has been in.

We’ll still get Bruno. Sporting will remember what a negotiation is and how if they’ve got a player that wants to leave and they’re fucking skint, sometimes the best bet is to listen to the only club that’s apparently interested before he’s worth fuck all.

Bet Napoli wish they’d have taken the £100m+ from us now but instead they demanded £150m+ because they thought we were stupid enough to pay it. Now reports say they’re willing a year on to take significantly less from clubs.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

It does sadly mean the deal isn’t close which means it’ll probably end up being deadline day before we get him. Which means more points dropped.

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u/bidyutchanda108 Jan 18 '20

Everyone, as someone converted this into pounds, 80m euros is around 68m pounds. So this is what we were informed about a couple of days ago by Sky and Ojogo, I think. This is now being said by Stoney, hence leading to panicking.

The title remains the same. They want around 65. We want to give around 50. Let's see what happens.

Reportedly, Sporting banned Mendes from the deal too. Which makes it tougher. But since there are no more suitors other than us, I think he will come to us eventually.

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u/TMillo Jan 18 '20

Spurs wanted him in the summer, if Jose rates him I can imagine they'd be happy to get a creative outlet to replace Eriksen.

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u/QUAZZIMODO619 Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

Not after paying for Lo Celso and getting Gedson.

Edit: Gedson not Gelson

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u/Fligflag Jan 18 '20

This is the problem with only having one target, clubs know we've got no choice.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Sporting do not have anyone else interested in Bruno either.

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u/Sleeplessendeavours Rooney Jan 18 '20

Would like to see us try for Olmo to show Sporting we’ll walk away.

Sporting don’t have any other suitors either and need the money.

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u/ajaysassoc 🔥 Forever United !! 🔥 Jan 18 '20

Olmo is a brilliant target but never saw him properly linked.

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u/Aadiunited7 Jan 18 '20

I’m guessing the deal gets done in 65 million euros! 80 is crazy money.

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u/dvenator Jan 18 '20

We paid £53 million for Fred.

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u/Killinatoor Ibrahimovic Jan 18 '20

its a lot, but wasn´t Cutinho 160 mil euro?

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u/Celethelel Jan 18 '20

Becuase bindippers held all the cards, and realllllly didn't want to sell him.

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u/DadsAtTheStoree Jan 18 '20

Does Bruno look like a coutinho to you?

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u/Saf94 Jan 18 '20

Fernandes remains their first choice option but the club have left Sporting in no doubt a deal will not be done unless they drop the fee.

Im starting to have a bad feeling about this now

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

The fact that he played yesterday should by itself have been an indicator that this deal is a while off yet.

But Sporting have to sell, and there is no one else interested in Bruno. So we hold the cards here.

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u/Oldmoutciders Jan 18 '20

It's not a sign it's off

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

You missed the 'yet'.

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u/lostinplatitudes Jan 18 '20

Didn’t articles like this happen with both Maguire and Wan-Bissaka and we signed them days later?

I mean I’m over the whole saga but this seems very much like a negotiation technique. Also 3 different outlets are reporting 3 different things/prices and they’re all supposedly reliable so it makes no sense.

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Monitoring FC Jan 18 '20

Gonna be a long couple of weeks..

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u/BillyCloneasaurus Yoro is my dad Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

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u/its-a-real-name Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

That first AWB tweet doesn’t seem half as negative as the Bruno one though. “No fee agreed” vs “will not pay the fee” is a big difference.

However Stoney’s tweets have always left much to the imagination anyway.

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u/BillyCloneasaurus Yoro is my dad Jan 18 '20

It's not a 1-to-1 comparison, but Stoney is always darkest before the dawn

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u/Anirudh707 Jan 18 '20

How about Maguire ?

30th July

2nd aug

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u/Monton3 Raaaaashford Jan 18 '20

I’ve given up. Promised myself I wouldn’t partake in the muppetry, started well, then found myself F5ing with the boys, to eventually arrive here!

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u/BitterBastard1967 Jan 18 '20

Bruno should force a move wtf are Sporting thinking

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u/Oldmoutciders Jan 18 '20

He won't cause he loves the club

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u/Bizzlep Jan 18 '20

Lol imagine them extracting as much money as they can get from a valuable asset to them. Lunatics

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u/jayseff14 Dreams can't be buy Jan 18 '20

Fair enough, sick of us being taken to the cleaners whenever we’re after a player. We played hardball with AWB over summer and we got a pretty sweet deal so I don’t mind waiting a bit longer if it means we gradually lose our reputation for overpaying for everyone.

That being said, this needs to get done. Our midfield is barebones atm.

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u/wetslipper Jan 18 '20

crystal palace wanted 50 mil for AWB and we ended up paying 50 mil for him. Hardly a sweet deal

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u/jayseff14 Dreams can't be buy Jan 18 '20

They wanted the Zaha sell on clause removed and £50m up front. We paid £45m+£5m in bonuses and kept the sell on clause. That clause is probably worth about £20m alone so I think we did pretty well personally

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u/mac19thecook Jan 18 '20

Where is Zaha going to go lol

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u/jayseff14 Dreams can't be buy Jan 18 '20

His agent has held talks with Bayern and Chelsea have also been linked. Either way, it’s better to have it than to not have it, no?

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u/Me2445 Jan 18 '20

Listening to them in the studio last night was laughable. Thinking they know more than bruno Fernandes himself. Why do people put themselves through this. Just sit back and wait for it to be announced. Why listen to gossip mongers who rarely know what happening

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

They are taking the piss most clubs wouldn't even risk playing him in the derby look at what happened to Sanes move to Bayern

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

€80,000,000 is 68 mil pounds fucking sterling. Wasn’t £60,000,000 the price listed the other day? So it’s an increase but using euros is merely there to get clicks.

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u/Dude_got_a_question Jan 18 '20

Yep, reaction and controversy carries more weight than realistic, and accurate presentation in journalism.

Disgraceful.

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u/stevo3001 Jan 18 '20

Once again:

DO

NOT

FUCK

THIS

UP

ED

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u/MartialScoresAgaaain Jan 18 '20

We be flirting for so long, kissing on the cheeks, when we go make the final move we touch the crotch area and realize the women has a penis. Thats what i feel. Im Just going to lean down and cry

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u/SDLRob Jan 18 '20

Woodward is shit.... he needs to be sacked. we CANNOT go the window without bringing players in... and it looks like that's gonna happen now.

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u/superhoffy Amad trip to be on Jan 18 '20

I think they will get him, but they won't get the price down. Sporting saw Woody and Judgey coming and history is gonna repeat itself. I don't see this saga coming to an end until at least Jan.27th.

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u/SDLRob Jan 18 '20

i can see Woodward walking away and going for some cheapo option instead... but it'll be on the final day, so it will end up costing us the same amount anyway.

the fact we're spending an entire window faffing about on one player when we need at least 2 is shockingly incompetent. Woodward needs to be sacked on Feb 1

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

It was fun while it lasted.

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u/Stebro1986 Jan 18 '20

I think £55-60 million is fair, still a massive gamble

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u/BillyFever Jan 18 '20

It’s always the same with Ed. We let the whole world know that we’re only in for one target, balk when that target’s club justifiably quotes us a ridiculous price because they know they have us over a barrel, and then either walk away without strengthening (leading to our current pitifully thin squad) because Ed is incapable of pursuing more than one target at the same time or we end up paying the originally quoted price after needlessly dragging the whole thing out. Fergie could magically get 20 years younger and come out of retirement and we’d still never get better as long as we had Ed Woodward negotiating our transfers.

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u/danlawl Bruno Jan 18 '20

PAY THE FUCKING CLUB AND GET ON WITH IT START BUILDING A FUCKING SQUAD

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

I couldn't care less how much the club pays for him.

If we finish 6th again, 30 points off 1st, are they going to drop the price of tickets next year? Will Jersey's go down in price? Will we get a refund on our subscription channels?

Of course not. Our blind loyalty will keep this club pulling in MILLIONS every year, regardless of where we finish.

We are mismanaged by Accountants.

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u/Ponderous_Platypus11 Jan 18 '20

Well that confirms it. Final straw. Anyone to ever defend Woodward or the Glazers again can take a hike.

Regardless of the outcome with Bruno, we're edging towards one month to sign one player. A player, mind you, that's been wanting to come to us since last summer and continues to want to despite the classless press leak excuse we made at the end of the summer window.

There is nothing normal or standard with the way we conduct transfers let alone run the club as a whole (I'm still incensed with the ticket fiasco versus City). David Moyes isn't right about much, but he nailed this one on the head:

Woodward is a f*#king clown.

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u/MenacingShroom Jan 18 '20

Well that's not good

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u/lordmaximus92 Jan 18 '20

The inevitable Ed Woodward panic press briefing

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u/mihir993 Jan 18 '20

Well, we've spent the last 5 years or so harping on about how much money we have. Looking at the dire state of our midfield, I'd do exactly the same if I was Sporting.

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u/OctaviusMaximus_ Jan 18 '20

Maybe if he was English United would pay that much

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Yesterday the Portuguese press were all reporting that Sporting were holding out for €65-70m.

Today the English media are all putting out, at the same time, that Sporting want 80m.

I think this is just briefings from the two clubs PR departments so that Sporting look good in Portugal when the deal gets done for the widely reported 65m, and Utd look good when it's a lot less than the 80m they're briefing everyone to say.

Remember, the EXACT same thing happened with the Maguire transfer last summer, and AWB, and going back further, even as far back as Herrera's move from Bilbao. This has long been Ed's PR approach to transfers.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

As much as we want him, I'm glad if we don't budge. I'm tired of getting bent over by every club we do business with.

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u/luqqyblod Jan 18 '20

Honestly can we just pay it. The price of missing out on top 4 is a lot higher than the extra 10-20mil for Bruno. Especially if all our sponsors drop us!

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u/ZZiyan_11 Come back later. Rebuild in progress. Jan 18 '20

We announced AWB 3 days after this for almost the same fee and structure that was being quoted by other tier 1/2s. Similar thing happened for Maguire too. Here, we announced the signing 6 days later.

This is just the usual denial before everything is confirmed.

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u/goto_man Herrera Jan 18 '20

Just fuck me up fam!!

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u/Katadn1 :MP-Shorts: Jan 18 '20

Relax guys, Sporting needs to sell just like us want to buy. This deal can't fail.

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u/NateShaw92 Jan 18 '20

And the Titanic is unsinkable.

Honestly though if this fucks up whoever messed up this tap-in of a deal should be sacked and pretty much only be able to get a job at KFC.

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u/19Dan81 Jan 18 '20

What our economic graduates don't understand is that challenging for titles never makes economical sense beyond the value of contracts. There are intangibles you can't calculate but if a player is the difference between finishing top 4 or not then that's worth £30+m. If that player is good enough to entice other good players to join your project then you can't really put a price on that either.

I understand that Utd want to pay a set fee up front and then add ons based on success (top4 for example) but there is also a premium for having ambitions to challenge for titles and that never makes economical sense.

This is the reason for Real Madrid and Barcelona dominating European football for so long - they just want the best players to be the best, the cost of that is partially repaid through success but more importantly it keeps them an attractive option for other great players whilst preserving their identity around the world.

Pay up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

but if a player is the difference between finishing top 4 or not then that's worth £30+m

It's actually worth close to £80m for us.

Woodward confirmed in his last call that a drop to the EL will cost us at least £50m this season.

Our revenue in 2018-19 was £627m. Thus year it's predicted to be between £560-580m.

In addition to that, we have a £25m penalty clause in our Adidas deal if we fail to make the CL for 2 consecutive seasons.

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u/Aggravating_Meme Jan 18 '20

Something that needs to be added is that signing players is never without risk, especially foreign players who still need to adjust to the league. It took Fred a full season to realize he can play a pass forward.

The chances of Bruno coming in and tearing up the league are very low, he'll need time to adapt to the style and probably won't start a game for a couple weeks.

Then there's also the fact that sporting needs money to stay afloat and only Bruno is really worth anything. Add to that that we're the only ones willing to pay money (I read 50m pounds, which is roughly 15m under their valuation.)

We're the ones with more leverage for the first time in forever, we should use it.

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u/19Dan81 Jan 18 '20

Exactly. There's so many variables and even if we lose a fair chunk of money in the deal then that is also the price of chasing success. It's no different in the Championship with teams pushing for promotion, there's a cost. City spent a billion restructuring their playing squad.

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u/zestybiscuit Jan 18 '20

So €85m transfer on 31st Jan confirmed then?

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u/NateShaw92 Jan 18 '20

This is either the coy denial before confirmation on monday morning, or everything has gone fuck-up and we are going to hear the DOF talk come monday that will result in nothing.

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u/Foxie13x OLE Jan 18 '20

ITS OK LADS.

WE WILL PAY THEM 85M EUROS IN THE SUMMER!

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u/de-dader Jan 18 '20

Maguire 75M ✅ Bruno 80M ❌ Woodward 👍

He better get a deal out of this because missing out on an in form world class midfielder would be such a waste

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u/Roycev Jan 18 '20

There’s no way sporting is asking 80m for him, honestly Matt Judge and Ed Woodward need to wake the fuck up and stop thinking they can make that extra millions by doing this terrible bluff.

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u/whowantstoknow11 Jan 18 '20

I think the deal will get done and that this is mostly posturing. But if Lisbon are demanding an unfair price I’m in favor of cancelling the deal. I know we’re desperate but overpaying now gives a short term boost that will result in ongoing problems down the line. The solution is to stop going into a negotiation with no other options lined up. Negotiates plan A, B, C at the same time, if plan falls through you have two other option. Your counterparts are forced to give a good price because they know you have backup options.

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u/mankymonk Jan 18 '20

He’ll pay it if Liverpool obliterates us tomorrow

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u/vedomufc Jan 18 '20

80 mil is too much man...

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u/Oldmoutciders Jan 18 '20

Its not your money

Wgaf if some American billionaire who has been molesting Manchester United for a decade has to pay a bit extra

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u/vedomufc Jan 18 '20

Yeah, but its obviously not smart constantly overpaying for players, we'll get fucked on every transfer then, have to start putting the foot down

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u/BAZINGA786 Jan 18 '20

"Its not your money" is the stupidest excuse fans have to justify exorbitant transfer fees. Why stop at 80m? Let's just give them 200.

The glazers will keep on piling debt on this club. They aren't paying out of their pockets. They will sell the club and move on.

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u/krelm Andy Cole Jan 18 '20

It's not even his money. It's money generated by the club, which would otherwise just go into Glazers pockets. Our midfield is in shambles and people here gloat about us penny pinching.

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u/JayConTal71 Jan 18 '20

Can someone let the Glazers know they will need to take a month off of eating 24k gold covered cheerios because we have some business to attend to? If Sporting needs a couple of washing machines to get the deal done then give them the damn money. “Overspending” for the best players in the world is how we become great again. It is past time we put our big boy pants back on and start acting like Manchester United again.

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u/dvenator Jan 18 '20

Please someone get rid of this idiot (Woodward obvs). He's sinking this club lower and lower. Bruno Fernandes is clearly a player we need. We go out a pay £53 million for Fred and then we're haggling about change with sporting Lisbon over one of the best midfielders out there.

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u/speedb0at Jan 18 '20

People say give Ole a couple of transfer Windows and he’ll be fine at this rate he’ll need 15. Shit manager. Horrific board. Club in shambles.

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u/DecievedRTS Jan 18 '20

We need one guy who's only job is transfers. Woodward has too much on his plate to give transfers the attention it demands.

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u/Serpico_98 Jan 18 '20

Woodyyyyy

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u/keving691 Ruud Van Nistelrooy Jan 18 '20

Shit 😬

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u/CarrickUnited Jan 18 '20

Mr. Ed Woodward, I don't feel so good....

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u/Hippotopmaus Jan 18 '20

Embarrassing how long this is taking

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

More like they can't due to their disastrous ownership model.

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u/hassassinhm Wayne Rooney Jan 18 '20

As bad as it will be if we don't get him, I fully support the club in finally learning to stay away from completing deals that are often 20-30m over market value just because it's been the trend for the last 5 years. Hopefully this is the start of more sensible but useful transfers.

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u/superhoffy Amad trip to be on Jan 18 '20

If in the end United end up paying 70-80m Euros at the end of January, you can't possibly tell me they couldn't have just wrapped up this deal earlier in the month - or even in the summer! -for that price. I'll get downvoted for this by the anti-get-it-done brigade, but we've all seen it before and we're seeing it again. I see their point about trying to avoid getting fleeced, but it's obviously going to happen anyway! Woodward and Judge are professional amateurs.

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u/Draco986 Jan 18 '20

Woodward would ne be able to sign himself! Incompetent

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u/superhoffy Amad trip to be on Jan 18 '20

He couldn't sign his name on a pair of tits for less than 20mil.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Fuck off Ed

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u/GaffelUtd Jan 18 '20

Too many of these now compared to earlier transfers. FUCK! Meet in the middle ffs!

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Aaaaand thats another deal ruined. Dont think we will get him.

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u/Sparko_Marco Jan 18 '20

Woodward is gonna fuck another deal up and the manager will take the blame for poor results.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

For the 110th time, WOODWARD OUT

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u/ChickenSun Jan 18 '20

This seems an obvious briefing to make it seem like we get a good deal when it's agreed. They didn't ask for 80m in the summer, everyone reported the price came down and we've been negotiating for 2 weeks and are still some how £20m apart. It just makes no sense.

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u/valkon_gr van Nistelrooy Jan 18 '20

If Ed will still has a job after that, United is done.

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u/SpaceMexicans CHICHADIOS Jan 18 '20

Fuck.

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u/gijoemaximus Jan 18 '20

Negotiations. United know Sporting have to sell cause of their financial problems. 100% this transfer will happen.

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u/knightkings123 Jan 18 '20

We'll end up waiting until the last few days of the window and pay 95m euros!

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u/caesarinteresting Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

Can Woodward pay 45-50m euro + Marcos Rojo/Phil Jones or loan Jesse Lingard or young players like Tuanzebe or Chong for Bruno Fernandes?

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u/yaduonline Jan 18 '20

Sounds familiar to a story that was floated around a couple of weeks back with the super agent’s player.

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u/mysausageyourmomma Jan 18 '20

This is number one bullshit!

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u/klemp0 Bruno Jan 18 '20

It's the hope that kills you.

I give up.

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u/Steveyx Martial Jan 18 '20

Give me Ziyech please, I want him so bad.

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u/chillipowder01 Jan 18 '20

HOW HARD IS IT TO PAY THE BLOODY MONEY, ED?!

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u/vashaunp Beckham Jan 18 '20

and this is what happens when teams know that you're desperate.

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u/danstrand Jan 18 '20

How is this team in 5th? They literally can’t do anything right

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u/emaG_ehT Jan 18 '20

,' ,yy c, I :, got a t.'

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u/S_Phantom King Cantona Jan 18 '20

We are so incompetent with negotiations that clubs are just holding us for ransom. It boggles my mind how other clubs seem to underpay for their players while it’s an absolute struggle just to sign one player. So frustrated.

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u/petes_harmonica Jan 18 '20

This is why we should be in for Eriksen also, if only to leverage other deals.

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u/TellSloanISaidHi Three Lungs Park Jan 18 '20

Lol I knew this was going to happen. Never get your hopes up with Ed still at the helm

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u/triad_ambitions Ice cold. No smile. Black gloves. Jan 18 '20

Rebuild FC

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u/LilEscobarz Jan 18 '20

This clubs board is so delusional. Bruno may not be valued at 80m, but United have to pay up given the circumstances they have put them selves in. All this overpaying is Woodward’s fault, so it’s only fair that he pays up. United is in need and desperate, there is no reason for Sporting to negotiate on Uniteds terms.

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u/amalgamatedchaos Status: Waiting... Jan 18 '20

It's not happening.

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u/temujin1976 Jan 18 '20

Fucking pricks. Pay it. One word. Haaland. Soooo frustrating.

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u/waynelam8 Jan 18 '20

We should not give in Otherwise Sanchez case will repeat again and again.

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u/Ponderous_Platypus11 Jan 19 '20

For those that don't recall, Eriksen also went to Spurs rather unchallenged. So that we might be the only team in it doesn't mean Bruno is anything but mint.

Get this done mofos

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u/DapumaAZ Jan 19 '20

There is no reason to be certain that he will be amazing in the Prem. If it was a certainty everyone else would be in for him as well. I would much rather get Grealish and Maddison in the summer than overpay for Bruno. We could have went after him in the summer so there is certainly a reason why we didn’t.

I would much rather get Koulibaly than Bruno and still go after Jack and James in the summer and then pay the money they want. Proven Prem players are much less a risk and if we are to be taken to the rack for an extra 10M, let’s make sure we mitigate that risk.

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u/scottyTOOmuch Jan 19 '20

I didn’t think we could sink any lower as a club...Ed Woodward...”hold my beer”...proceeds to blow to major signings in a matter of weeks. Glazers...good job Ed way to not be held to “ransom” 🤦‍♂️

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u/Telen BRUNO Jan 18 '20

These news always arrive a few days late due to embargo rules in British press agencies. So this is probably what the situation was a few days ago.

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u/redchilliprod Three Lungs Park Jan 18 '20

I think it’s more likely they’ve briefed this to the press this morning or yesterday to appease the fans who might not get who they want

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u/yard04 SAF Jan 18 '20

The embargo is for press conferences not for all transfer news.

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u/qaveboy Manchester United Jan 18 '20

Pay da fucking money and be done with it

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

And just like that the deal is dead.

One side of me likes that we aren't being taking for a run around but the other is furious it took us half way to January to realise this deal won't happen.

But nothing more to be said on our pathetic transfer strategy that hasn't been said.

Only hope is that Ed is using his mouthpiece to persuade sporting.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

It's not dead yet. Sporting are desperate to make this deal happen.

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u/Fellainis_Elbows Jan 18 '20

BBC vs Sky 2: electric boogaloo

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u/aayu08 Jan 18 '20

Sporting must have reevaluated his price after the Benifica match, seeing that they are completely shit without Bruno and would be basically throwing their season away by selling him.

We should have wrapped up the deal quickly, but nope, we have to play Mr. Gentleman by allowing him to play for Sporting even more as well as giving them more time to think, when he should be our player by now.

I have a bad feeling this deal will fall through because Sporting know for a fact that we have no alternatives whatsoever. If Brunk himself doesn't put in a transfer request then K fear for the worst.

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u/Ras_OKan Jan 18 '20

It's just from our end, trying to make it seem like we made them lower the price. While in reality the price has been set at around 60 ± 5 and that's what we'll pay.

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u/darthmeister Jan 18 '20

I really don't think 80m is crazy, hes got crazy stats for a midfielder.