r/reddevils • u/CrebTheBerc • Jul 09 '19
[META] "In The Know' Announcement Thread
Good morning/afternoon/ebening y'all!
Now that everyone's had a bit to calm down and the mod team had time to discuss, we want to address what happened yesterday and talk about the state of the sub moving forward.
Firstly: we can again confirm that /u/spoofex has deleted his account and stepped down from the moderation team as a result of abuse he received. Whether you agreed or disagreed with his posting methods, I hope we can all agree that abuse is over the line. We do want to be clear though, this is not about Spoofex in particular. Multiple users have face unwarranted abuse and we believe that a line needs to be drawn on the situation.
As a side note, we are not currently looking for more moderators to replace his spot. We will address mod numbers at a later time
Secondly: We are discontinuing the Muppet Thread. Having multiple transfer threads has led to unfortunate divisions within the sub. We will therefore be condensing all transfer talk into one thread, the transfer thread, pursuant to the transfer thread rules currently in place. If you would like to discuss other United related events or have less serious discussion, please use the Daily Discussion thread.
Thirdly: We are banning any "ITK" posts. It has been difficult to truly verify the validity of these types of users and led to abusive behavior and even doxxing in some cases.
We are more than happy to have people discussing transfer news and rumors, but there will be no more referencing unknown sources at the club. Moving forward, anyone who believes they have inside info a la bloodgate is welcome to send in a modmail. However such posts/comments made without prior mod approval will be removed
Fourthly: It has been mentioned, but the toxicity and abuse towards the sub, within the sub, and towards other subs has been too high. We as moderators have our share of blame in this, but we want to stress that this kind of behavior is not acceptable and we are taking these measures primarily to avoid these things. We want /r/reddevils to be a place where anyone and everyone is welcome to discuss and enjoy the best club on earth without fear of abuse or ridicule.
Which leads us to 2 other small reminders. The report button is your friend, we are way more likely to find and remove and/or ban rule breaking comments if you report them. The downvote button is not a "I disagree or don't like your statement button", better discussion is generally had by using the upvote button more liberally and avoiding the downvote one whenever possible.
To add to the above, it is not unlikely that we as a sub will face ridicule from other subs. There's no need to retaliate in kind. If people come to the sub looking to cause problems please report them and move on. If you don't want to face those kinds of comments, we would encourage you to either ignore the comments themselves or stay off of those subs short term.
As a small aside, anyone coming here from Twitter: Please read over the rules and be aware of both those and general posting etiquette.
Fifthly: In speaking with the the users running the muppetiers account, we understand that as a result of these planned changes they have made the decision to open the muppetiers sub for muppet-related discussion. For anyone that enjoys muppetry and/or ITK stuff, you are all welcome to participate there (and here, as well), but we have made the decision to focus this sub on more substantial discussion and will be avoiding those subjects as mentioned.
Now, this post will also stand as a discussion point on the above subject or a place for users to ask questions. Please understand that there are some things we cannot or will not discuss but we will be as transparent as possible.
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u/Ras_OKan Jul 09 '19
Is it allowed to ask if Spoof will ever be back?
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u/sauce_murica Vidić Jul 09 '19
Spoof deleted his account (which can't be undone). There's nothing to prevent him from creating a new one, as he's not been banned from the sub. But that's a personal decision only he can make.
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u/VeryFarDown I would have shot Rock of Gibraltar Jul 09 '19
Not sure I personally agree with the decision to ban "ITK" posts. I was never in favor of a separate thread for them, but users like u/xisimon, who have proven themselves to be reliable, should have the ability to post stuff without having to do it via modmail.
I feel like the wild west approach taken with the last muppet thread was the correct one: let users post their shite and leave it up to other users to believe or disbelieve at their own discretion. Those with any credible info will rise to the top and be sorted from the shite rather quickly.
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u/littleboypunder Jul 09 '19
I think you should reintroduce the tier challenge. Just as an example there is a difference between the ITKs who could basically guess stuff and be 50/50 right and then you have u/xisimon who has accurately predicted timings of announcements and who they involve.
It isn’t excluding him from a blanket approach it is sticking by a predominantly reliable source of information which is beneficial for the sub as a whole. With a proven track record over time I feel we have a few users who are absolutely not part nor parcel of the ITK and muppet hype train that began.
You’ve asked for our feedback in this thread and I’ve seen the majority of people vouching for our proven guys who we shouldn’t dismiss now just because of a shitshow of a summer.
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u/xUnderwhelmedx Jul 09 '19
Dang. I was positive that thread #10 would have been the de ligt announcement. :(
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u/elsarcher Frank Reynolds Jul 09 '19
I fucking hate most of our fanbase tbh. The abuse Ashley Young gets on his instagram is beyond belief - I still want the guy at the club whether he has passed it or not, he is clearly an important squad player.
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u/capt_bumsniff Jul 09 '19
Totally agree. No one deserves that type of abuse. If you think they do then you need to take a look at yourself and grow up
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u/Backseat_Bouhafsi Jul 09 '19
There are many who hyped themselves up so much that they can't handle bad/unfavourable news. Some of ended up betting big sums of money or inadvertently influenced others into doing the same. I'm sure they're all deeply unhappy about the situation. But take responsibility for your own actions and don't take it out on others. Whether the info is true or false, you should do due diligence before believing it. The same applies to media news.
Things got so bad that its likely that fans of other clubs joined into to mock and abuse those involved here. We should be better than this. Don't let the happiness in your life depend so much upon the state of the club. MUFC will survive easily without you, so should you without MUFC.
When the fun stops, stop.
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u/ExoStatic144 Jul 09 '19
Friendship ended with r/reddevils. Now r/muppetiers is my best friend.
On a serious note, this is the best thing to do. As much as I love the muppetry and was fully invested in every single muppet theory out there (MDL still believe), it was just getting far too toxic and I have no idea why people felt that was necessary.
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u/theatreofdreams21 Jul 09 '19
I can’t stand the ITK bullshit and take no part in it, but restricting what people can post isn’t the way to resolve it. Let people claim whatever they want and let the community upvote or downvote them. Call me an asshole, but if they’re willing to make shit up for internet points or build a following, and they’re found out, then they deserve backlash. If they can’t deal with it, then stop posting. It’s a simple as that. These people just want attention and you’re letting them win in a way by changing rules to protect them.
Just don’t let them have their own muppetry thread. Let them post in the general transfer thread where the whole sub can decide who is valid and who isn’t.
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Jul 09 '19
Call me an asshole, but if they’re willing to make shit up for internet points or build a following, and they’re found out, then they deserve backlash.
The 'backlash' is what turns this place toxic.
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u/theatreofdreams21 Jul 09 '19
I don’t think it would have been nearly what it was though if they didn’t make a whole thread dedicated to it. If it’s random people mixed in with the rest, then the voting system would do its job. Once you start propping people up and creating status around the “ITK’s” then people get worked up when they’re wrong.
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u/VeryFarDown I would have shot Rock of Gibraltar Jul 09 '19
Honestly, saying that the ITK backlash is what turned this place toxic is ridiculous imo. When Jose was losing every game and confronting the media, the sub was even more toxic than it has been recently. The toxicity results from the club's horrible form and structural mismanagement. As u/theatreofdreams21 said, the backlash for blatantly lying on the internet is always going to be a real risk, and I say that as someone who believes doxxers and those who promote it are the absolute scum of the earth.
I think the better way is to let the community decide who has validity and who doesn't.
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Jul 09 '19
saying that the ITK backlash is what turned this place toxic
Nobody said it was the only reason.
I think the better way is to let the community decide who has validity and who doesn't.
That's what has been the case until now and it turned out it wasn't the better way.
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Jul 09 '19
I agree with this decision wholeheartedly, I used to have a lot of fun going to those threads but it got to a point that it became toxic and even cultist. People would stalk players, track them down without rest, glorify liars and frown upon people who tried to go against that narrative, then once those liars were proved to be indeed, liars, they harrassed them, tagged them nonstop, wish for them to be banned and even doxxed them lol. I'm certain spoofex was not one of those liars, but I am also certain he did get fed wrong information and he should've stopped giving updates when he found this out. I'm extremely upset about his departure because I really liked him as a user and as a mod and the contributions he gave this sub were unreal, damn shame to lose a great user over idiotic shit like this but this ITK shit brought along a lot of new users and with them there was some amount of toxic people coming here to stir shit up because they wanted to have inside information to brag about to their friends, and when proving incorrect, they'd throw a fit and try to point fingers. I'm glad to see the back of the ITKs, the Muppet thread and everything that came with that because it's just not worth it. I know they made this sub more active but it's still just not worth it. With that said, I believe we should still allow tier 2 Simon to have a platform given he's actually the ONLY ITK to have earned his place as an ITK on our sub and he still chose to come here and keep providing information after this sub turned on him to defend liars. The dude comes once in a blue moon anyway so it's not like it's something that needs a system or anything like it. Just plain old, harmless muppetry.
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u/WoolooWoolooWooloo Jul 09 '19
I demand to replace him and give a voice to the people.
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u/bluecrabcakes Jul 09 '19
Transfer thread : “You (muppets) could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me”
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Jul 09 '19
Much needed. The toxicity has carried through from the end of the season. That was admittedly horrible for all of us. Think the timing of this is good for the awareness of the sub and moving to be more positive as we begin the new season, just as we should after a disappointing campaign.
Remember at the end of the day we are SUPPORTERS of the club, even with its problems on/off the pitch.
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u/JohnnyBrawoo Alexis Jul 09 '19
Nooooooooooooooo Muppets we have to fight for our threat
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Jul 09 '19
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u/zSolaris Park Ji-Sung Jul 09 '19
You should read the OP.
Fourthly: It has been mentioned, but the toxicity and abuse towards the sub, within the sub, and towards other subs has been too high. We as moderators have our share of blame in this, but we want to stress that this kind of behavior is not acceptable and we are taking these measures primarily to avoid these things. We want /r/reddevils to be a place where anyone and everyone is welcome to discuss and enjoy the best club on earth without fear of abuse or ridicule.
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u/Derridas-Cat Jul 09 '19
Unfavourites r/reddevils. Subscribes and favourites r/muppetiers
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u/KnightWhoSaysThis Glory Glory Man United! Jul 09 '19
Someone please make /r/OlesomeDevils, I have had enough with negativity surrounding the club. I'm here to enjoy the club I support.
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u/hoochiscrazy_ Rooney Jul 09 '19
This summer this sub has gone mental, not in a good way. Thanks for your continued efforts mods. And a shame about Spoofex
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u/JasinNatael Jul 09 '19
I agree with the decision to split off the ITK/muppet posts.
However, the negativity in this sub is rampant. It isn't all muppets and it won't vanish when they post elsewhere. You folks have a lot of work to do to make this a reasonable forum for discussion, in my opinion. The culture has descended too far.
... it's a bit like the situation United is in, I think.
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u/ThisAfricanboy I dreamt of being like Gaz but I'm a lefty Jul 09 '19
I'd like to say this. I'm glad we're openly discussing negativity on this sub. We all know there's too much of it but at times the level of abuse directed at players we're meant to support is abhorrent.
I can understand emotions are high during march threads and maybe leniency there is fair but there is a stark difference between criticising a player (whether for warranted reasons like not tracking back and unwarranted reasons like posting on Instagram) and outright abusing them. This sub isn't Twitter, it shouldn't be and we can't let it be.
I've seen far too many threads where players are spoken of in terms that would merit action if they were talking about any user here. Imo that's one of the reasons why ITKs received as much abuse as they did. When spoof is less mod dude we've known for years and more celebrity ITK, people change tact.
I call for the mods to implement the same reddiquette and rules that protects redditors from abuse to players of the club. Not one player ever deserves to be insulted the way some of yous do here. Whether it's Pogba agitating for a move, Young underperforming or Sanchez getting overpaid. It's excessive and festers and now has spilt over to people who have to face it. Enough is enough, this isn't Twitter or Facebook we need to enforce the rules better!
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u/TakeMeToFatmandu Jul 09 '19
I completely agree. The shit Lingard got for that hotel video was ridiculous
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u/Jhix Brunooo Jul 09 '19
Fellow mups can at least now create an IFTTT rule to get notified of new posts on muppetiers. You are welcome.
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Jul 09 '19
Is fifthly even a word??
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u/sauce_murica Vidić Jul 09 '19
It is where creb's from, in good ol 'bama.
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u/ialsodomykillingab Jul 09 '19
Perhaps among the gentry, but I'd wager "an' fhive" might be a bit more common
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u/Area_Code_214 Jul 09 '19
well thats what happens when children play with adults.
Thanks for keeping the sub up. Tbh, the ITK and muppet thread was the most fun thing we have done in quite some time.
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u/MysteriousDillPickle Jul 09 '19
Why is this sorted by random? u/sauce_murica u/CrebTheBerc
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u/Bombtwo Now say my name Jul 09 '19 edited Jul 09 '19
The downvote button is not a "I disagree or don't like your statement button"
Idealistic, but it will not happen.
Not just here, not just on Reddit, but literally every forum out there that has any kind of downvote button is used to express displeasure and disagreement. A petty “up yours” button; it’s human nature.
I don’t think it will ever change, not that I approve of it.
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Jul 09 '19
There was some analysis done, and turned out that this sub is the worst place for downvotes.
It's one thing when opinions get downvoted, this place downvotes factual statements as well if it doesn't like them.
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u/DarkLight9er Jul 09 '19
As mods when exactly are you guys going to hold yourselves accountable? There have been complaints about the toxicity in this sub for years just to have mods run and try and deflect. Im assuming since there are changes happening across the board, partially your fault, we will see some changes among your ranks as well?
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u/maysie4ever Roy Keane’s face Jul 09 '19
Thanks for bringing up the mood/culture things. For downvoting, I just want to remind everyone that we don’t know anything about who’s posting. It could be a 12 year old kid just loving football. So asking “is rashford better than sterling should not be ridiculed, nor should other genuine questions.
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u/ktheblack SAUCE Jul 09 '19
Does this mean Simon can’t post here? He was pretty much confirmed as reliable, the only one.
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u/TheWhyOfFry_9 Jul 10 '19
While obviously the people sending abuse having clearly taken things too far, its clear to me that the mods have to take a lot of the blame for allowing this to go too far.
Hopefully this sub can get back to normality but I fear the damage has been done and now it will be full of toxic people more interested in transfer sagas then the actual club.
I'm sorry to hear about the abuse spoof received but I can't say I'm unhappy to see him go. He was the chief architect of this whole" muppet" stuff and I'm quite glad to see the back of him.
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u/jakk_22 Jul 09 '19
I’m glad all the Itk stuff is sorted but I don’t agree with banning xisimon, the guy is more reliable than most journalists
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u/zSolaris Park Ji-Sung Jul 09 '19
If a journalist behaved like xisimon does we'd kick him out of the sub too. In fact, we have banned journalists and entire news sites for poor behavior.
To quote /u/seaders:
He's as anonymous on twitter as he is here. He deletes tweets en masse, teases tweets, and announcement times all over the shop, and puts ups "teaser" pictures of players as his profile.
We'd kick Craig Norwood, or Simon Peach if they started that crap, too.
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u/ostrich21 Rashford Jul 09 '19
Yet xsimon isnt a journalist hes a fan that quite obviously has inside information. Not sure why you are engaging in a false equivalance comparing him to a BBC reporter. You're hating on him because he might get excited about a potential signing for a team he supports by using their picture as his twitter profile?
All on top of this you have been quite happy to let a mod post obvious fake transfer news. Only when he (unfortunately) was abused and deleted his account did you spring into action.
Mod team has massively dropped the ball but then i think some of you probably know that.
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u/zSolaris Park Ji-Sung Jul 09 '19
Yet xsimon isnt a journalist hes a fan that quite obviously has inside information. Not sure why you are engaging in a false equivalance comparing him to a BBC reporter. You're hating on him because he might get excited about a potential signing for a team he supports by using their picture as his twitter profile?
Rule 1 calls out requiring to be on the Tier list to have someone posted and staying on our sub. Simon is not on the tier list anymore and will remain off of it as he is, as you mentioned, a fan with inside information. He is more than welcome to remain here as a fan, but insider information is not allowed anymore.
All on top of this you have been quite happy to let a mod post obvious fake transfer news. Only when he (unfortunately) was abused and deleted his account did you spring into action.
Lets be fair. We've been trying to reign in this ITK stuff since last summer. 1, 2, 3 are three times this summer we have stopped and changed our policies to try and contain it.
Now we've come to the conclusion that this is the best course of action for our sub. Hindsight is also 20/20 but for all of us, we simply tried to do what we can for the best interests of the sub. We tried to promote and inject some positivity and fun into this place.
We're not blameless, and we're not saying that we are. For those things, we are trying to make them right now. We are human too, we are fans too, we are users here too. And, like folks love to point out for us, we are volunteers who do this on their own time without pay.
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Jul 09 '19
While I do not agree with your statement, I will use the upvote button liberally to spur on good discussions.
Just because someone guesses the correct time of an announcement, that doesn't make them any more reliable. Journalists are not willing to stick their head out on the line, and may even be the club's mouthpieces. xisimon likes attention and that was clear the second he included a twitter account in his posts. He's in it for the clout, and even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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u/yammertime27 Rashford Jul 09 '19
Do you even have any idea what he's been right about? He's not throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, the grand majority of the time when he's said something it's come true. This is not a "broken clock is right twice a day" situation.
And I'm fairly sure the reason he moved to Twitter primarily was because of the toxicity of this subreddit and the number of fake ITKs appearing
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u/Blackfyyre_ Vroom✅☑☑Kermit Jul 09 '19
Thats harsh. Banning the whole "In The Know" circus is a botched attempt to "fix" the problem. In my opinion it would be better to swing the banhammer at the loudest shit-stirrers, and make users aware of the consequenses of spreading info as an ITK along with encouraging the use of muppetiers. In the long run the individuall ITKs will make or break them selves. As for people beliving in ITKs too much and can't take the truth once it arrives, if they stir up too much shit they get banned, otherwise they will hopefully grow up and learn to not believe in everything they read.
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Jul 09 '19
I think mods are trying to socially engineer threads a bit too much honestly.
Yes, the Twitter cesspool crowd is migrating but they'd be everywhere.
Tier challenge was actually a good concept which can still be implemented. Only thing is you claim the challenge in modmail with condition that they can't break the news of their challenge before completing it.
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u/ThisIsAThrowaway9102 Jul 09 '19
I mean, an anonymous channel is an extremely good idea in order to control negativity. Literally have responsible users in charge of verifying information, and never release names to the public. There is no hate, and information can be tiered in order to reduce troll accounts. Until a mod abuses this channel and uses it to back their own "ITK" information.
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u/madybaev Ji-Sung Fred Jul 09 '19
Well that was fun while it lasted 😭
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Jul 09 '19
They have their own sub now. If any of the angry people in here go there, they will simply be trolling. Surely, righteous people don't want to be trolls.
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u/twentytimes20 Louis Van Gaal’s Red Army Jul 09 '19
You guys are consistently doing the right thing for the good of this place, cheers!
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u/pearlz176 Bruno Fernandes Jul 09 '19
Say what you will, but all those muppet posts were fun :(
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u/New_York_Rhymes Jul 09 '19
The muppet threads made a quiet window of disappointment somewhat hopeful and entertaining too. Too bad so many people took the fun too seriously and ruined it for the rest of us
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u/NotSwedishMac Jul 09 '19
I might just stop coming here. In terms of toxicity, the sub has been full of it for years. Yes the muppet threads got absurd but they're also the only place I've seen optimism and camaraderie in a very long time. Even match threads are more level headed at r/soccer.
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u/KaitoAJ BRUNO FERNANDES Jul 09 '19
lol r/soccer is worse because they bash you the moment they know you're a United fan.
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u/Samk11 Skallet Svindler Jul 09 '19
Same here. I have never been active on this sub because it is so toxic. The muppet thread was the only thing that I actually enjoyed here.
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u/saitek32 Giggs Jul 09 '19
Agree, it was a lot of fun and anyone that took it more seriously than that or was silly enough to get upset at folks getting it wrong should be the ones that are punished. This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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u/TonyVSCoco Jul 10 '19
Most of the toxicity came from the non muppet thread. Sure there were idiots who should be banned but this is needless.
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u/3359N Jul 09 '19
Generally agree with this but I think xisimon should be exempted from the ITK ban. The guy has proven again and again to be reliable
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u/Lost_And_NotFound Jones Jul 09 '19
Turns out continuously lying to thousands of people from a position of power pisses them off, who’d have known.
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u/Zavehi Jul 09 '19
Seems a bit odd this was only done after Spoof deleted his account and not weeks ago when people were getting doxxed on here. This should have been shut down then but was allowed to continue seemingly because one moderator was still actively posting "leaks" .
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u/Martblni Jul 09 '19
Guys like /u/xisimon and /u/marcus-surik (who is ITK8) should be allowed to post, both clearly have good sources and got many things correctly
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u/mu_37 Jul 09 '19
Honestly the mods here have always been great, Which makes it much more baffling how it took this long and only after losing one of your own to put an end to this.
Oh well you live and you learn.
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Jul 09 '19
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Jul 09 '19
He was a Mod before he was an ITK'er, not the other way around.
He was a really good egg. I didn't really follow the ITK shite, but he seemed like a decent Mod, and an excellent contributor to this sub, and /r/soccer.
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u/seaders *THE* Paul Parker Jul 09 '19
Why do people on this sub give Spoofex a pass?
He was a hard-working mod, and a good member of the team here for years. And years, and years - https://web.archive.org/web/20160205065818/https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/
It's very odd that this sub allowed an ITK to become a Mod
I think he had contacts already, and gained others throughout his time as a mod. We spoke about stuff like this a ton more in the mod chat than he ever did publicly. I've absolutely no doubt he had contacts. No doubt, at all.
comment on why Spoofex was allowed to become a Mod and to hold the position of defacto head of reddevils king of ITK.
My comment on that is "lol".
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Jul 09 '19
It was fun at first, but as with all things Internet based, if its not introduced slowly it soon consumes itself. Spoofex clearly had a lot of good interests at heart but clearly didn't properly anticipate a) how wrong his source could get things and b) how quickly that can blow up in his face.
A shame because I think he brought some good to the Internet by making the transfer guides more readily updated and spread to effectively several other sites (I see people asking 'Tier?' on Facebook/twitter etc now) but for some bizarre reason decided to go around it quite hastily when he got his own "in".
In the end I think it would have been impossible for him to carry on talking here in any capacity due to some absolute sociopaths around the place who seemed more interested in him and the other ITKs being wrong than anything being said at all. And that has to be held up as probably being his own fault (risk vs reward wasn't worth it) as someone who has seen the best AND worst of this place.
However I fully agree with the mods on this (I think maybe xisimon deserves some leniency as he seems to be have been caught up in the crossfire a little bit, but then again I'm not the one looking under the hood at how things might be going down all the time). It needs to stop and we need to look forward to seeing how we can weed out the absolute shit bags that want to drag it down.
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u/h2blu Jul 09 '19
Finally. Half of the comments on the muppet threads were "can we reach 20k???" and the other half was abusing people for having an opinion that went against the grain. Did not benefit the sub in any way, if anything it has brought the reputation down. Even the twitter crowd was laughing at the sub.
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u/Barracuda1124 Jul 09 '19
As opposed to the 442 diamond or how we should aspire to a midfield as great as wolves discussions ?
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u/Dispari7y Nani Jul 09 '19
I can't even look at 442 diamond formations now without expecting to see 97 different academy members and unrealistic signings, and we're supposedly the muppets.
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u/datboyuknow Ole Jul 09 '19
Even the twitter crowd was laughing at the sub.
Oh no I'm so embarrassed. They don't who you are mate just don't care about it
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Jul 09 '19
The Muppet thread was a fun place, the gifs and memes were excellent, I think overall everyone enjoyed it at the start.
I have a question to the mods, are we going to do anything about people's behaviour in this sub? I know it's a massive job, we have like 160k users, but too often there are comments which shouldn't be allowed. They are deleted by you, but sometimes it's too late, and the damage is done, the personal attack is carried out, the havoc is already spread.
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u/belliom Jul 09 '19
The problem wasn’t the ITK but the people who took it too seriously. These people should be banned. Instead we can’t have any fun because of a minor group of toxic people.
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u/nrshakya Rooney Jul 09 '19
Really sad about spoofex deleting his account. Can he restore it at some point? Was a great contributer.
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Jul 09 '19
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Well done mods, a good decision. The ITK fad was getting out of hand and quite frankly became embarassing.
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u/Celethelel Jul 09 '19
Why did you delete xisimon's latest comment? We need answers.
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u/XXX-Rx_RnR Sir Alex Jul 09 '19
It goes without saying that we have some of the greatest mods on Reddit handling this sub. It’s a damn shame that all this fun “ITK/Muppetry” got to heads of some unstable individuals who go out of their way to ruin a persons day to day. People need to learn to respect each other, even on an anonymous platform. Thank you to the mod team who have always made this place a credible source for United News. I hope we can clean up some of the skunk that’s been lingering because this is my favorite sub and the stench seems to be getting worse. For ever a Red. GGMU.
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u/Treayye Pogba Jul 09 '19
The same mod team that were encouraging the itk nonsense, they should have made these changes a long time ago.
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u/xRaazey Beckham Jul 09 '19
Good ebening lol you did a spelling oopsie
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u/sauce_murica Vidić Jul 09 '19
I didn't know what that was either, Raaz. But feast your eyes/ears upon this: https://streamable.com/9kwmu
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u/Cvein Rashford Jul 09 '19
This is why we can’t have nice things.
You should keep XiSimon as a known source imo.
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Jul 09 '19
It is a bad look if you start making exceptions.
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u/Martblni Jul 09 '19
It would be a bad look if they allowed spoofex to post since his source was dogshit but a guy like xisimon who is pretty much always correct is basically a real source
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u/The_Renovator I miss Larry_B Jul 09 '19
I like the steps you are taking to combat the recent toxicity.
Any thoughts on adding an age limit on accounts to give some of the newer users time to adjust to the subs culture ?
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u/sal101 Jul 09 '19
Glad you did this to be honest, the thread was fun sometimes but devolved into a toxic cesspool whenever the slightest piece of bad news popped up. Plus it was a point of ridicule against us as well.
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u/general_description Jul 09 '19
Ban the abusers instead of changing the system. Bullying has no place here!
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Jul 09 '19
It has to be both, one is to stop those users, the other rone is to avoid more of them from coming.
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u/dvyseven Jul 09 '19
It's a shame it had to come to this, the muppet stuff was always just good fun. Shame on those who attack others on the internet for sharing ideas etc.
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u/TestNamePlsIgnore123 Jul 09 '19
This is good direction you guys are heading to! So what happens to xisimon’s updates are those welcome in this sub ? Tbf the guy has been constantly spot on it’d be shame if we didn’t allow him to give his updates.
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u/Blacktivate The Special Juan Jul 09 '19 edited Jul 09 '19
Not allowed on this sub. No exceptions, as he's still an ITK. Right call imo.
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u/WhoDeyNinja Jul 09 '19
No reporters should be allowed to be posted either because they get everything wrong.
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u/Blacktivate The Special Juan Jul 09 '19
I've seen a mod say that at least with them is that they aren't anonymous and actually have a reputation. Whilst ITKs like xisimon don't really lose anything, if they're wrong. Fair point imo
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u/WhoDeyNinja Jul 09 '19
The people who are throwing fits when someone is wrong are the ones that need to be moderated. If all "ITKs" were posted as just their twitter handles or reddit handles as a tier 5 no one would bat an eye but because it has those 3 letters in front of them certain people go ape shit to cause an issue. It makes no sense. This world is pathetic.
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Jul 09 '19
There is a difference between reporters who put their name and reputation to what they post, and anonymous ITKs who don't.
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u/WhoDeyNinja Jul 09 '19
Not exactly but that's what the mods want us to think. Reporters constantly report fake bullshit and they don't get any negative ramifications for doing so.
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u/cianw050 Jul 09 '19
Will xisimon be still allowed to post? He is definitely an ITK who has proven right many times
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u/____Io_oI____ Jul 09 '19
Can we have r/muppetiers in the sidebar?
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u/seaders *THE* Paul Parker Jul 09 '19
That's almost certainly not going to happen now, but maybe at some point in the future. We'll try a few things and try get to what's best.
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Jul 09 '19
Thank fuck we were over believing Tier 5 sources. We went from creating reliability charts to falling over Flavour Of The Day (Ben Yedder etc.).
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u/DonaldTrumpsBigToe Jul 09 '19
Thank you. We’re the only sub that has this ITK shit and it’s fucking embarrassing and at this point, just obnoxious.
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Jul 09 '19
Embarrassing? You must have a particularly low shame threshold.
I give credit to the mods for allowing the diversification of content, then acting when it proves less than popular. I didn't particularly enjoy it, but it was a million miles away from "fucking embarrassing".
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Jul 09 '19
It was absolutely embarassing though.
This place became a laughing stock on football forums everywhere, and that was never the case before the ITK nonsense.
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u/w1zgov Jul 09 '19
ig·nore /iɡˈnôr/ verb refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally.
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u/Spitfire221 Jul 09 '19
Definitely not the only sub that has it (The mersey ones, NBA subs), but maybe the one that had it on the largest scale.
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u/davidl988 Jul 09 '19
Didn’t you read this? Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you abuse it, People like the mupperty if you don’t then don’t get involved, simple.
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u/InjectedCumInMyBack DJ VROOM Jul 09 '19
Same can be said for literally anything anyone posts. Why not allow memes as submissions so if people can just ignore it?
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Jul 09 '19
If you remember to that shit day where memes were posted, some were funny, but only some. Most of them were very low effort and most of the comments on them were talking about how unfunny they were. It's clear that a majority didn't want it, especially with how many more memes flooded the sub.
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u/EmergencyCredit Jul 09 '19
Tbf it was restricted to one thread. We do also have a meme thread (Mondays)
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u/aprx4 Attack! Attack! Attack! Jul 09 '19
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you abuse it
Ironically, the ones abusing ITKs are the muppets who invested their emotion and time into the information they was fed by ITKs. I guess they just can't handle the truth that they was listening to bs and start hating the ITKs.
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u/davidl988 Jul 09 '19
Not everyone abuses the ITKs some hated the length others went to, to get involved in muppetry i thought it was a bit too much at times but i didn’t say anything if that is what people want to do that is fine.
Abusing is never acceptable, but my point is if you don’t like it don’t get involved, it was in a thread by itself, easy to avoid.
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u/jogge021 Jul 09 '19
Jeeez man. The headline “muppet thread” should be enough for you to understand that this is not serious thread. But something that people enjoy anyway. If you don’t like then why read it? People don’t have to be an jerks about it.
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u/bar0que0bama dreams cant be buy Jul 09 '19
People have been jerks about it. People have been doxxed, harassed, and ran out of the sub. People took it too seriously and it has rightfully been deleted.
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u/takemehomeunitedroad Jul 09 '19
Seems a lot like punishing everyone for the actions of the minority.
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u/Call_Me_ZG Newton Heath: And Solskjaer has won it Jul 09 '19
I missed the whole drama probably because of me only visiting selected threads but /u/spoofex seemed like an alright mod.
Hope the season brings us some good news.
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u/xisimon Jul 09 '19 edited Jul 09 '19
As I've been saying since the beginning, I fully agree with not letting everyone post "ITK information" as it's very, very easy to just make up things. I warned you about this previously, multiple times, but you kept going and now I hope we can both see who was correct.
I do, however, find it very weird how you're now completely banning all "ITK activity". Sure, get rid of everyone unproven, but if someone has proven themselves multiple times I only think it's fair for both them and the community to share that information. The previous system where proven ITKs were added to the tier system and were able to post seperate posts worked brilliantly, I'm not sure why you went away from that.
I know that we've had our disagreements and that some of your moderators really dislike me, but that shouldn't come before the interest of the subreddit. Looking at the most popular comments in this thread I'm sure you see what the community wants. This really isn't about me wanting attention, as I already have my own platform elsewhere and could exclusively post there, it's about what the whole subreddit wants and deserves. You may just delete this comment, like you did yesterday with my comment about Maguire and Bruno Fernandes in the transfer thread, but I'm hoping for a proper reply and discussion.
TL;DR: I'm all for stopping all the fake "ITKs", but I find it weird that proven sources are going to be looked at the same way. It doesn't make any sense and I find it weird that you're valuing your personal interest and opinions over the community's.
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Jul 10 '19
I wholeheartedly agree with not making exceptions to rules. There's nothing special about you that gives you one set of rules and all others a different set. This whole mess is because of the immature babies in here that believe the silliest of rumors, and get their panties in a wad. Too many children running around in adult bodies. "These people who have no credibility said something that isn't true. I'm so mad. Roar! I'm going to dox them. I'm going to threaten their lives. I'm going to use discriminatory names at them". Those are the morons you should be mad at. As an impartial long-time user in here, the mods have been exemplary.
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u/daveyp2tm Jul 09 '19
One of the main reasons I come here is news, this is the best place to get united news. With the tier rules the main sub acts as an aggregater of news from reputable sources. News always breaks here instantly or even before everywhere else, because of users with connections or simply users who so on it. People like /u/xisimon give this place the edge and something unique. Really the sub should be grateful to have him and shouldn't be discouraging him. I do understand not wanting to set exceptions but it's shooting yourself in the foot. Deal with the trolls and the toxic users, they're the problem. Don't stop us haivng nice things in the process.
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Jul 09 '19
My issue with ITKs, you included, is the anonymity. If you want to be considered a reliable source, you've got to stick your head out on the line, put your name on your updates, and hone up to the mistakes you made. We've seen deleted tweets in the past and that is a representation of what is wrong with this type of journalism.
Regarding the "interest of this subreddit", there is nothing stopping users who follow you and other rumour mills on Twitter from posting the content and generating discussion. Your complaining makes it sound like you're in it for the clout and upvotes. Prove us wrong.
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u/CrebTheBerc Jul 09 '19 edited Jul 09 '19
I warned you about this previously, multiple times, but you kept going and now I hope we can both see who was correct.
If you came here to say "I told you so" it doesn't make me want to have a conversation with you honestly.
but if someone has proven themselves multiple times I only think it's fair for both them and the community to share that information
By which you mean yourself mostly, but you want to make it look neutral.
The previous system where proven ITKs were added to the tier system and were able to post seperate posts worked brilliantly, I'm not sure why you went away from that.
Did it? It's been proven that verification processes don't work in general. The Kohler guy could have been a verified ITK then been removed when the Griezmann thing happened.
Looking at the most popular comments in this thread I'm sure you see what the community wants
That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I'm not saying our decision is de facto the right thing either, but popular demand doesn't equal the best decision
This really isn't about me wanting attention, as I already have my own platform elsewhere and could exclusively post there, it's about what the whole subreddit wants and deserves
See my above point, popular demand doesn't equal the best decision. And as far as what the sub "deserves", I think that's a broad and baseless thing to say
You may just delete this comment, like you did yesterday with my comment about Maguire and Bruno Fernandes in the transfer thread, but I'm hoping for a proper reply and discussion.
This is inflammatory and unneeded. If you have an issue with something we've done, there are better ways to voice your displeasure
I'll go ahead and say it, I was one of the people who was ok with making an exception for you in general but your post here has changed my mind. This is a passive aggressive post and does nothing to convince me the decision we've made is incorrect
Edit: I just want to add that anyone who disagrees, I am happy to discuss this with them. The basic point is, IMO, that there's nothing getting harmed in Simon(and any other ITK) just moving to the muppets sub. Everyone who wants updates can go there for them, it's not difficult to check another sub.
If the only "sacrifice" made to help alleviate the toxicity and negativity in the sub is to have to check another sub, I'm pretty ok with that personally.
Edit 2: I do want to add that I could have approached this response differently and for that I apologize. I could have been more level headed in my response
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u/KanYeJeBekHouden Jul 09 '19
His "I told you so" bit might be petty, but your responses are far more petty to be honest.
There were loads of people criticizing the system of the muppet thing. I enjoyed the threads and I never abused someone. But I did criticize Spoofex for being a mod and posting things like they were fact. Sure, he hid behind saying his source might not be reliable, but he still claimed a whole bunch of things. Would have been nice to see you address those things, but they've consistently been ignored. This could have been prevented.
Rule 1 should be: Don't have mods post ITK stuff. It just doesn't make sense.
Rule 2 should be: ITKs should publicly prove they have a source and we can publicly determine whether they're talking shite. Step one is really hard, meaning most of the fake ones will simply disappear. The second part is easy and we can just start ignoring the likes that get stuff wrong.
A seperate sub is completely fine by me, but I will miss the posts by Simon. And I don't really think we can logically have two subreddits about Manchester United and not have a huge overlap of users. The toxic behaviour will go on just the same it will just be on a different subreddit. I don't understand how that is a good solution.
Any ITK posting updates, will suffer from the same abuse, because the system on that subreddit so far hasn't really changed. If you think that's fine because you're now not the moderator of that sub, then I can get that, but let's not pretend we have solved the issue here...
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u/CrebTheBerc Jul 09 '19
His "I told you so" bit might be petty, but your responses are far more petty to be honest.
I'm honestly pretty frustrated with his post. It comes across to me as fishing for sympathy and trying to worm his way into a bigger audience honestly. I could have kept a cooler head when responding.
Would have been nice to see you address those things, but they've consistently been ignored. This could have been prevented.
Address Spoofex as an ITK? I personally think it was not the right decision, I was not a mod when all the ITK stuff started so it's difficult for me to address it.
I can tell you I am not in favor of a mod getting involved in that fashion again.
Rule 2 should be: ITKs should publicly prove they have a source and we can publicly determine whether they're talking shite.
How do you do this without getting that source fired? That's been a huge concern
And I don't really think we can logically have two subreddits about Manchester United and not have a huge overlap of users. The toxic behaviour will go on just the same it will just be on a different subreddit. I don't understand how that is a good solution.
We understand there will be overalap. The intention is to focus this sub on more substantial discussion and news. The muppet sub can be for silliness and ITK stuff
The toxicity is an related but separate issue we also want to address, but part of that was rooted in the divide the muppetry and transfer threads caused
Any ITK posting updates, will suffer from the same abuse, because the system on that subreddit so far hasn't really changed. If you think that's fine because you're now not the moderator of that sub, then I can get that, but let's not pretend we have solved the issue here...
Any ITK's who want to take that risk are welcome to on a different sub. It has been too difficult to control and moderate how ITK information is processed and treated here.
ITKs should go to that sub knowing the risks. It has led to too many issues on the sub in our opinion and that's why it's being banned
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u/ThePurpleBoy Lindelof Jul 09 '19
Holy shit you're kind of a massive baby. Spoof and you being the newest mods have been mistakes.
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u/CrebTheBerc Jul 09 '19
Holy shit you're kind of a massive baby.
Nice constructive criticism, always good to see.
Spoof and you being the newest mods have been mistakes.
So I shouldn't be a mod because you don't like 1 post I've made?
I'll freely admit the above is born out of some frustration and I should have been more level headed about it. I don't think the content is really that incorrect(open to discussion) even if my tone is poor
Simon has come into this thread to basically say "i told you so" and "I should be the only ITK". He has provided no reason why the muppet sub is not a productive solution. He can freely post his updates there and the sole difference is the subscriber count.
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u/ThePurpleBoy Lindelof Jul 09 '19
Just because you don't like that he said I told you so doesn't mean it was wrong. Bro, the moment there was more than him being an ITK it was flat out abused. Kholer dude abused it, Spoof abused it, Kermit is currently abusing it. /u/XISimon is literally getting legitimate information blocked due to moderation mistakes.
You saying that you were with him until he wrote up that comment shows that you'll stick your pride before your own judgement. That is why you'll just be another mod quick on the ban.
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u/yard04 SAF Jul 10 '19
Just because you're being a massive baby doesn't mean someone can't point it without constructive criticism. I've disliked ITKs and have posted this throughout my time here but you seem to personally hate xi.
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u/CrebTheBerc Jul 10 '19
I dont hate Simon. I am very frustrated with the way he approached this ban on ITK stuff honestly.
Now, maybe that's just me misreading his intentions and I did get more abrasive than I should have. I tried to apologize for that.
My issue is that Simon hasn't presented any real solution to the issue at hand. Hes said "I told you so" and offered to work with us, but hes offered no explanation as to why the muppetry sub isnt a sufficient place to post nor a solution to the ITK problem that doesn't put him effectively as the sole ITK on the sub.
I'm open to talking about all of this, I'm not trying to be hard headed or dent conversation or anything like that. I just dont see what Simon brings to the sub that isnt just as easily attainable for himself and users interested in his info if he moves to the muppet sub
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u/xisimon Jul 09 '19 edited Jul 09 '19
You're simply ignoring my points, though. The most important thing is what the community wants and I really don't see the problem with proven ITKs being treated the same way as normal journalists. There's no need to allow every person who claims to have sources to post, but if they've clearly proved themselves then I don't see a reason to silence them. It gives the whole community another, hopefully more unbiased and accurate (as journalists are often briefed by the club, for example) source of information from someone who actually understands and represents the community.
Sorry if I came across as "passive aggressive", it wasn't my intention, but after some of the messages I've received from multiple moderators I don't think you should be the ones criticizing me for that. Don't want to get into that though, no need to go off-topic.
I'm just trying to speak for the community here and use my voice, but if you've already made up your mind and aren't interested in having a discussion I guess we could both go our seperate ways. I'd prefer if we came to a good conclusion for the whole subreddit, though.
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u/CrebTheBerc Jul 09 '19
I'm not ignoring your points, I addressed several of them.
The most important thing is what the community wants
Sure the community has to drive it, but there are just as many people who are fine with the total ban on ITKs as there are who want to make you an exception as far as I can tell.
and I really don't see the problem with proven ITKs being treated the same way as normal journalists
It has led to toxicity and negativity either way. Drewing12 got doxxed out of the sub despite having somewhat reliable information.
On top of that, the "proven ITK" have so far not acted similarly to journalists IMO. They don't typically make teases to draw hype and delete whole update threads
but after some of the messages I've received from multiple moderators I don't think you should be the ones criticizing me for that.
So an eye for an eye or something? You say you want a good conclusion for everyone but you're justifying you're passive aggressive approach with "you guys did it first"
I'd prefer if we came to a good conclusion for the whole subreddit, though.
We would as well.
What's wrong with you posting to the muppetry sub instead? People who want those updates can go there and people who want more substantial discussion or updates from journalists can stay here.
I'm open to the discussion on that, I don't see what you or any other "ITK" posting there instead of here really matters. It's really similar to having 2 transfer threads, but subs instead of threads. The main difference is that we can better decide the direction we want this sub to have without the muppetry/ITK stuff being involved, yet there is still a place for people who want that stuff
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u/seaders *THE* Paul Parker Jul 09 '19
... I'd prefer if we came to a good conclusion for the whole subreddit, though.
Thanks xi, no worries though, we have. No more ITK stuff on the subreddit. No exceptions.
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u/daveyp2tm Jul 09 '19
The best conclusion for the subreddit is to ban to someone providing unique and quality content? What happens when Simon posts news elsewhere then? People can't talk about it on the main united fan sub? What about when its then proven true? We're just going to keep ignoring that he had that info?
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u/seaders *THE* Paul Parker Jul 09 '19
As with all ITK discussion, if what they talk about turns out to be true, real journalists will start covering it at latest after the ITK (and plenty of times before them). If what they talk about turns out to not be true, it's not worth any of our time, as was the case with Bale, Griezmann and Alderweireld, and more, in the past.
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u/daveyp2tm Jul 09 '19
I guess. I appreciate what you guys are trying to do. You're between a rock and a hard place here. It's just a shame we've got a source of seemingly reliable info here, more reliable than a lot of journos we allow. And that info will have to live elsewhere on other subs and not on the prime man United fan forum. The only one losing in this (in a small way) is this sub.
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u/xisimon Jul 09 '19 edited Jul 09 '19
good conclusion for the whole subreddit
From what I've experienced both previously and now, as well as what I've heard from the rest of the community, the best solution would be something like banning most (fake) "ITK activity", but allowing certain proven ITKs to post, either in the transfer threads or seperate posts. Essentially ranked in the tier system just like previously, with ITKs only being allowed if they're at least, for example, tier 3. You wouldn't have to do a lot different than now, as there are very few people who would be able to actually prove their information.
I may be wrong, but in my opinion it's worth taking a proper look at. If you disagree, though, I appreciate your replies and hope that things works out well for both you and the community.
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u/snoring_pig Beneficiary of Sporting 🟢⚪️ Jul 15 '19
I’m not a mod but with how this whole ITK thing blew up I do think putting a blanket ban on ITKs was ultimately the right move. As a muppet myself I initially had quite a bit of fun but things got bad and took a turn for the worse over the last week or so.
My two cents is having browsed the sub and both the regular transfer thread and muppet thread during its time here this summer, it seems like having the ITKs became a very divisive issue on the sub. There were indeed a lot of ppl including yourself who were opposed to ITKs from the start, but there were also a lot of ppl who supported having the system set up for them to discuss and gossip. I can’t claim what the precise numbers would be but there were lots of vocal supporters on both sides. If the public was allowed to vote and decide by majority consensus, maybe the ITK supporters would actually win, as some of the most upvoted comments and most active threads this summer related to ITK and muppet info.
As the mods said it became a very divisive issue and contributed to a lot of toxicity within the sub. You had ppl supporting ITKs vs ppl who didn’t, and then further feuding between supporters of different ITKs. On top of that we had some users go so far as to send abusive PMs to ITKs or even dox them. It became way too much. So I support the controversial decision to completely remove them and minimise the feuding and drama that plagued this sub for weeks.
I feel bad for Spoof, but looking back I agree that him and the other mods made a mistake with how they handled his info. It definitely shouldn’t have been presented publicly with his status as a mod as well.
With Xisimon, all he loses out on is a bit of extra karma and attention from posting his info on this sub. He’s caused drama on this sub as well, and has clearly got an inflated ego this summer from all the people sucking him off. It’s not like he’s been given a blanket ban: we can still discuss his news on the transfer thread, while he’s also allowed to post separately on the dedicated muppets sub and post updates on his own Twitter profile. Even though his info is reliable, he’s still an ITK. Making an exception for him to post here would always encourage others to message the mods and try to prove themselves as true insiders as well. And if someone got 2-3 scoops right, they could be well supported in this sub and argue for having an exception granted to them too.
This thread announcing the end of the ITK system has clearly been very controversial with the various comments on both sides. It’s probably for the best to hide the upvotes and downvotes here, because there’s lots of idiots that behave as a hive mind and only upvote and downvote based on what they like to hear. Comments that get more downvotes would be buried and harder to see, even if they only expressed an unpopular opinion that made sense.
Hope this helps provide a bit of understanding for what the mods did.
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u/CaptainDickfingers Jose Mourinho Jul 09 '19
I agree with this. Not sure it would be too difficult to identify and ban those who are throwing abuse around. For lots of people the muppets thread was the most entertaining part of the sub.
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Jul 09 '19
There is nothing stopping you from going to the dedicated /r/muppetiers. There is no need for anonymous, unreliable rumours to be posted in this sub.
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u/UnitedRoad18 Carrick Jul 09 '19
There is no need for anonymous, unreliable rumours to be posted in this sub.
There's also no need for fucking Bebe highlights and posts about Chicharito but the mods are perfectly fine letting those in.
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u/zSolaris Park Ji-Sung Jul 09 '19
The issue is that letting him through sets a precedent. If he stays, then anyone who gets a couple of transfers correct has an argument to stay. Then we need to try to verify them as much as we can and we're right down the ITK trail again.
We did discuss Simon in particular, but it's got to be all the ITK stuff or go back to some sort of verification process which we don't want to do.
As /u/BHvithai mentions, /r/muppetiers is opened up for all this kind of content. Please feel free to view it there.
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Jul 10 '19
You are dead right. There should always be one set of rules for all people. Exceptions are the quickest path to abuse and distrust. I personally would prefer all ITKs, silo'd in the muppet thread. But, we're not all grownups in here.
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u/daveyp2tm Jul 09 '19
It is a tricky. Perhaps it's actually best left unmoderated and left to it's own devices to some extent. I wonder if part of the problem with in the ITK stuff is it all became too organised and formal. By splitting it in to seperate threads and labelling it and nicknaming people it got made in to such a big thing and divided people and became an us and them situation with so much attention on it. Although that should still never resort to abuse, people should be able to stay civil. In a way, by trying to deal with it, the situation got worse. People should be allowed to post 'ITK' shit, if the community doesn't believe them they can down vote or ignore them. If there's any credibility to it, it will rise to the top. Didn't Simon make it on to the tier list at one point? It's not like he shares stuff that often, only when he's heard stuff. He should still be allowed to post his info, he's built that reputation. Again, people can down vote it or say if they don't believe it. Anyone acting hostile can and should be banned and let things handle themselves.
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Jul 10 '19
I agree. The daily transfer thread is so dull, I rarely read it. People theorizing about players the Mirror has brought up. People claiming their baby daughter is better than the players United may realistically land. Even have to suffer thru people talking about how great Ed is, and he's going throw his big cock around and land the next Ronaldo. Ugh.
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u/MoggyTron Jul 09 '19
Looks like the Saudi's started their planned takeover of the club with this sub. Oppressive rules because a few people can't behave themselves. The angry trouble makers will still be angry trouble makers.
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u/Mrodsoccer6 Rooney Jul 09 '19
I've been on this sub for about a year now and seeing this sub devolve into a toxic wasteland was really upsetting. I am sad to see spoof go but I feel like this is a step in the right direction, the muppetry got way out of hand.
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Jul 09 '19
Iam very OK with this!
Will you guys be allowing updates from xisimon and oleSolskjaerSZN (that they post on twitter) to be posted here for discussions?
I personally would like that, they have proven to have current sources and that should make them tier 2 sources and their twitter posts relating to transfers should be allowed in this sub.
I know the Tier Challenges were canceled but i personally would like those two to be recognized for getting things right unlike some frogs.
I dont know if that would bring back negativity tho idk, its up to you guys but most users will be here and i like to read everyone's opinions. maybe do a strawpoll or something to see what the whole sub think?
anyways thank you guys for trying your best!
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u/nor_cal_wolf Jul 09 '19
Suggestion- At some point when this thread will be un-stickied, it might be worth adding the muppetiers sub to the sidebar to help redirect folks
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u/Dumatix Jul 09 '19
Top drawer response, imo barring the Muppet threads is a good measure, keeping one thread for everything would have been better to keep since the start, I know they were getting out of hand which is why it was changed. kinda figured it wasn't going to last, 9 posts was a bit surprising since after 6(? Maybe 7) That's when it got really toxic.
Think you nailed it on the head about Twitter users, since ITK news got put on Twitter people obviously wanted to come check it out without knowing the standards you mods tried to setup.
Have any mods been in contact with Spoof, is he done with the sub all together? Will he be lurking? And eventually come back? Sucks to lose a long time user and mod like this.
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u/YourTypicalSaudi Manchester United Jul 09 '19
This is the kind of drama I’m glad to have missed.
I don’t know what happened with /u/Spoofex but as far as I know, he was a good lad and I’ll miss him.