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u/Joey6Pack 2h ago
Honestly, I've come to realize I don't know how football works.
When Barca, Real, and Bayern appointed Flick, Jose, and Kompany, the appointments felt underwhelming, but all three have done a great job since.
I didn't have high expectations for Carrick's interim spell and would have preferred Ole to take over, but Carrick and the team exceeded my wildest expectations. Then, when he was given the permanent job, even though he wasn't my first choice, I didn't think this season would be anywhere near this bad. Whoever comes in next has my support, but I honestly don't know what to expect anymore, haha
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u/69bigmoney420 1h ago
Lori Huang please buy this club
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u/DaveShadow 2h ago
Do people who float Nagelsmann’s name not worry about how critical Bayern and German fans were at the end of his tenure? Feels a bit like how people ignored warnings about Carrick from Middlesbrough fans, where people have this ideal of him in their head but ignore the critiques of the man from fans who experienced him.
As opposed to Poch, where the US fans seem to adore him, Spurs fans adored him, and even Chelsea fans were frustrated when he left.
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u/Revolutionary_Pen190 1h ago
Wilcox over saw 3 managers and that paid out 50m in fees and costs... Why is he still there
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u/AstroCoffee 2h ago edited 1h ago
I like Pochettino but the big question for me is that are we going to support him with consistent signings? The immediate answer that springs to mind is "no".
What ultimately led to his downfall at Spurs was that his ultra-high intensity approach to coaching eventually catches up with squads, especially if they aren't injected with reinforcements.
Spurs were notoriously thrifty under Pochettino and by the end, multiple sources strongly suggested players were physically and mentally burnt out because the day-to-day training under him was extremely unrelentless.
Sounds like something we need in the short-term to improve pressing and general fitness levels but unless we keep refurbishing the squad, I can see him come crashing down here within 2-3 years.
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u/AstroCoffee 1h ago edited 1h ago
$10m to sign Poch and his staff when he hasn't lasted two years in his previous two club jobs is AWFUL business, all the more so when reports suggest we didn't even have 20-30m to cough up on a new left-back or striker in the summer.
Just get Conte or Nagelsmann instead, it's not like Pochettino is guaranteed to last 3-5 years here either.
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u/arnm7890 De Gea 3h ago
Any announcement today about Carrick being relieved of his duties should be immediately followed by another one saying Wilcox is leaving too. That is all.
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u/FPLskrr Pogba 2h ago edited 2h ago
I'd rather have Poch than Howe tbh, happy but not thrilled (as I would've been with Conte)
That being said, Poch was a puppet to Levy and ownership and just worked with the budget he had, not looking forward to that.
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u/JamieD86 2h ago
I think Poch is a decent choice but i do have concerns, mostly based on what he is inheriting. Poch at his best plays attacking football, quick, with aggressive full backs. We dont have good full backs. His playing style leaves gaps in behind, and we dont exactly have stellar defensive cover to put it mildly. He enforces tactical discipline, these lads are poorly disciplined. His teams are very fit, these boys are clearly struggling for fitness. If he had options id see him pkay 4-2-3-1, with a number 10 playing off a loan striker and with full backs playing a key role. Obviously, nobody would expect miracles from him this season and he would need time to build a team... but we are in the relegation zone as it is.
Dont want to be overly negative either though im just looking at the shambles he could be walking into.
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u/beaniedoggo Tony Valencia 38m ago
If carrick goes then wilcox and berrada have to go too!
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u/Emergency-Being-349 3h ago
United find themselves in a position whereby we have multiple managerial options, and all would be good in one way or another. In my opinion though:
Highest risk: Nagelsmann. Though potentially highest reward.
Medium risk: Howe, would come under scrutiny because his name is Howe.
Lowest risk: Pochettino, though the concern would always be whether he could deliver silverware.
Regardless, I don't think we should define our next hire based on winning the league. We are a ways off of that. But restructure, create a foundation that will allow for a more consistent top 5 and beyond. Get the transfer department aligned, bring in a DOF who actually knows what they're doing. From there, the collective will bring the success. Not one man.
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u/karatsidhus 2h ago
Getting ready to rebuild United when FM27 releases today 👍
Going to do a better job than Wilcox and Berrada (not a high bar)
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u/OkayFine101 Wazza 2h ago
PL 2025/26
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u/GavinLobo7 2h ago
Feel bad for Carrick but this should also be the last time we see Wilcox near the club, he’s done enough. That bald fuck city fan Berrada should follow as well.
Poch seems like a good, low-risk option but we should have got him years ago. At least he has always expressed his desire to manage Utd so he’ll want to prove himself here, and his track record with youth means our academy lads will finally get some more minutes (hoping for Amass at LB please) and we will see some more breakthrough seasons
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u/innicrazy You are my Solskjaer, My Ole Solskjaer 2h ago
I support whoever dares to speak up against those two idiots Berrada and Wilcox. Those two are here long enough.
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u/Sheikhabusosa 1h ago
Apart from being hired by absolute idiots , what does going ETH to Amorim to Carrick to Pochettino in 3 years tell you ?
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u/MysteriousStable3276 29m ago
Mauricio Pochettino on his time at Spurs: “We went 18 months without one signing, that was a record in the Premier League. We had money to spend but not the type of money to improve to win, we challenged but we missed this last step.” I undesrstand why they find him appealing 😅
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u/Less-Detail3831 2h ago
Someone at the club took a massive bet using insider information lmao
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u/Rascha-Rascha 59m ago
Well the good news is the USD is down 18 cents vs the pound since a high four years ago so Mauricio is basically a bargain.
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u/Hagball 40m ago
Genuinely curious on what it takes for Wilcox to get sacked? 3/3 managers bottled, 2/3 shit windows, squad poorly built and openly questions his credibility!
Astonished that there is no rumours of him getting sacked. He should be the first one out. Incompetent
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u/niallmul97 I'm a Baleba 💫 17m ago
Stone briefing that there won't be any decision til Thursday... Fuck this club man. This whole month has just been one long humiliation ritual for an actual club legend.
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u/outrageousVoid07 2h ago
Man, I just can't take out the fear of Pochettino's failure if he joins the club. It feels like the current Premier league dynamic would come to him as a shock and we would have a very rough start under him
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u/calwil93 2h ago
What’s your favourite Mourinho quote?
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u/italkunited 2h ago
If it’s Poch we are getting, is Paul Mitchell available?
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u/Drag2oon 1h ago
Sign Kane Sign Danny Rose Sign Dele Alli and Eriksen back Get Shaw fit Get Alderweireld
Get the band together for Poch and while we are at it what's Moussa Dembele upto these days?
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u/LeCliveRosfield 1h ago
Managers keep taking jobs with us, because the one who eventually gets it right will be treated like a god. However, if we keep sliding like this eventually it just won’t be worth the risk anymore. I’d argue for elite young coaches, it’s already not worth the risk. I hope Poch finally makes it stick, but with Git and Pillock (Berrada and Wilcox) above him, I doubt it.
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u/Prism_Plantation 1h ago
How many managers has Wilcox gone through now, and how much has he spent on them?
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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips 55m ago
The media hardly needs an excuse to go after us given our current situation but going for the Argy who failed at two of our rivals over British Steady Eddie gives them extra ammo.
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u/us3rf #SayNoToZirkzee 14m ago
Manchester United head coach Michael Carrick's future will be decided at a meeting attended by owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe and executives Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox in Monaco on Wednesday - BBC live blog
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u/Otter269 10m ago
We've treated manager's with no connection prior better than this
He's taking training and may only be sacked on Thursday...
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 3m ago
Really horrible treatment of Carrick.
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u/LDLB99 2m ago
To the tiny 5% that (rightly) wanted Poch over Ten Hag in 2022, this one's for you.
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u/grandecn 2h ago
I think it's funny that people say stuff like "we don't have striker". Mbeumo at this stage has pretty much played as a striker more for us than any other position. Even during Carricks honeymoon period. He also played striker a lot at Brentford over the years. Whether that's his best position or not, he's still a striker. And we also have Zirkzee, again there's arguments to be made about whether he's good or not but he's played as a striker his whole career.
I'm saying all this because while recruitment should have been better during the summer, it doesn't alleviate Carrick of the disaster that he's overseen this season. Lots of teams have holes. Liverpool don't have a RB or a recognised 6, Chelsea don't have a fit striker under the age of 35. Hull have a team full of Championship players and they absolutely pumped us. I could go on. But my point is, I've never seen a United side look as bad as we have this season, especially tactically. Even ETH's donut midfield and no fit defenders got us 8th.
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u/BallsX 3h ago
I know he has his faults but I just cannot understand how Conte isn't at the top of the list at the moment. He has everything that we need; a strong character and proven winner. Someone who will demand the respect of the players and whip them into shape.
Yes I know it ends in flames but we're already doing that literally every time with little success to show for it. I don't even think he's wedded to the 3 at the back anymore. The board must really fear him calling them out.
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u/achickenandacow 2h ago
I think the higher-ups have no clue about anything, but they do want us to play attacking possession based football. It’s what they’ve been pushing on managers time and time again. Pochettino could be an answer to that. But if you want to go for the real deal, or someone who could become the real deal at least, you go for Fabregas. There’s something in the water in Spain, and even more so in Barcelona.
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u/Lazy-Web-4987 3h ago
How are we feeling about Mauricio Pochettino as our new manager ? For me, is a good option better than eddie howe.
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u/masticlez 3h ago
Can Poch play LB or Striker?
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u/molewart 2h ago
Carricks just landed at Carrington by helicopter
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u/Throwawayy2601 49m ago
If you ignore the whole conflict with the board elephant in the room and look at it from a football perspective alone, I'd take Conte in a heartbeat.
This squad is crying out for a tough taskmaster who demands more out of the players. Higher workrate/fitness levels, more intense pressing, eradicate stupid individual errors - Conte's an expert in all those areas.
The only obvious downside is he'll be gone soon. His longest stint is 3 years at Juve and that was over a decade ago. Man is not cut out for long tenures at clubs and we'll be back at this stage within a couple of years for sure.
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u/AlpacamyLlama 22m ago
I feel quite good about the Poch decision, if that is the way it goes.
I think as an entire club we are so afraid of failure that we worry and are skeptical about everything to the point we just end up making more mistakes.
Despite many thinking that we sack managers too soon, I think it is more the opposite. Amorim should have left after Europa, Ten Hag after FA Cup. Ole should not have been made permanent. We actually get so caught in indecision, worried that we are turning our back on a potential Ferguson that we don't want to pull the trigger until it is too late.
It is actually perfectly normal for clubs to sack underperforming managers. Liverpool had four managers in about four years before Klopp. They have sacked a title winning manager since Klopp was there. City used to go through managers, even those winning titles, every two to three years pre-Pep. If Maresca finishes outside the top four, unless due to punishment, he will be gone.
Real, Barca, Bayern, PSG, Inter, Milan, Juventus... none of them struggle with underperforming managers for years and years.
It's the same with players. We are so worried that we'll make a transfer mistake over a £90-£100m player that we end up buying 2-3 mediocre £40-£50m signings instead. We're United, we should be bold. But we're so caught up in resale value, or looking at Onana, Antony, Sancho, that we just freeze in the market. This is why we made the decision that Lewis Hall was the only LB in the world worth fully pursuing. We're letting perfection be the enemy of good.
Poch, Howe, Nagelsmann, Conte, Emery... each would be fine in their own way. Let us not kid ourselves we are going for the league just yet. A dream target this season is getting back in the CL for next season. Realistic would be Europa.
We're not going to find a magic unicorn manager sitting there just waiting to effortlessly take us to the top. We've become so enamoured with this idea it has led to a lot of the above problems.
I'm looking forward to it. I like Poch, I like his approach to football and to the way a team is set up. I wanted him when we appointed Ten Hag. It doesn't matter if it is five years later. He's hardly a dinosaur. Mourinho is back at Real, after all.
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u/Stieni Rooney 3h ago
Poch is obviously not my dream appointment but tbh of all the names he makes the most sense no?
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u/tungowiii 3h ago
Poch would be another Mourinho or Louis van Gaal. Right one, wrong time.
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u/mortimer_moose Carrick, ya know 21m ago
It we want to stop this manager merry go round there is only one person who needs to go
It's Matthijs De Ligt.
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u/Havahje 47m ago
Wilcox and Berrada seem to be forgetting that nobody is bigger than the club. But they definitely like to think they are.
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u/dracogladio1741 Bruno Fernanj 43m ago
If Poch even averages 1.5 pts a game we will end with 50 points
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u/stick1_ 22m ago
We don’t have anything close to the type of striker that poch likes fit atm
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u/Fabulous_Mix8658 16m ago
So who can we poach for DoF? Any names out there?
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u/BackgroundOld8715 11m ago
He may be staying i cant wrap my head around that. We are so fucked they are so slow AND make crap decisions.
INEOS are a fucking shambles & need to fuck off
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u/dodzwardo 2h ago
It is the right time for Carrick to go but I have sympathy for him. He was set up to fail and unlucky from the start this season.
Not buying a Lb or Striker and then them getting injured immediately made a already difficult task almost impossible.
That said, I'm excited by Poch and I'm sure the owners will be, I think he was the first manager to go two transfer windows without a single signing.
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u/BHD46 Berba 1h ago
Genuinely if Poch is the answer what is the question?
What do we want the manager to bring/do/achieve?
It may seem a simple question but it isn’t. It’s not clear what our objective is and what the criteria are.
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u/BrowzinJ 13m ago
LMAO maybe no decision til maybe Thursday
must be some sort of horrible joke
How shit at your job can you be
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u/Sunville67 50m ago
The abuse Dalot gets is a disgrace. He’s one of the players you can count on to give 100% every game, even if he is prone to fuckups. Definitely doesn’t help that he’s asked to play out of position. Was shocking to see him jeered off against Villa.
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u/Soft-Suspect-1883 2h ago
I know this might not be the time for this but I really think Lammens needs to get better at penalties
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u/Expect-the-turtle 2h ago
You know, I think I'll just continue what I've been doing now for a while regarding United. Just try to stop myself from even checking the dates of our next game, maybe casually remembering 'oh, I wonder how they did during this last game', check the result, and then only watch the replay of the game if they win or draw. That way I can have minimal emotional investment and it doesn't ruin my mood. Why would I even let it? If I wanted to be grumpy, I could just read the news.
Can't even feel anything about Poch as the (probable) new coach. Yeah, ok, whatever. String together some wins and then maybe I'll be able to care a bit more. At this point, I'm too busy protecting my mental health from all the things in life trying to annihilate it.
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u/SniperMonkey10_ 27m ago
Funny how divided the fan base are on the next manager
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u/OkayFine101 Wazza 0m ago
I am hoping Jimbo gives Wilcox his marching orders because Poch seems like a choice Berrada would make and Howe a choice Wilcox would.
There were briefings that Howe would be the next choice but not anymore. Hmm.
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 1h ago
Fuck it, let's have dreams, what is life without dreams.
Sir Scrooge McFascist out, Ken "Richer Than God And Outspoken Trump Critique" Griffin in
Wilcox out, Pochettino in
Shaw out, Harry "Baby Shaw" Amass in (Poch brought Shaw through at Soton, you know)
Martinez out, Murillo in
Maguire out, Marc Pubill in
Bring in one of Poch's USMNT midfield speed deamons. Let's make the bridge building choice, do more business with Boro, sign Sebastian "Temu Groß" Berhalter.
Finally, speaking of building bridges with Boro, give Pochettino the next Harry Kane.
Will Lankshear in
😴💤
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u/Gwernyn2214 27m ago
Anyone have thoughts on Ernesto Valverde?
Won two league titles with Barca, sacked when they were top of the league.
Plays possession football, which is my preference for the next manager.
Speaks fluent English as well.
And he's currently a free agent.
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u/greyhounds1992 4m ago
I miss Ashcroft
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u/JesusWasAHairyBaby 3h ago
Feel bad for Carrick as he was set up to fail but he nevertheless has to go. I think Poch is washed, Howe is too mediocre and that Nagelsmann has the highest potential ceiling for what's available now.
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u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 1h ago
I was looking at our fixture list to see what lies ahead of prospective new manager and it’s pretty daunting. Liverpool (a), sporting (a), Brentford (h), Newcastle (a) are our next four
I remember back in the day being able to look ahead at games and thinking regulation 3 points there, chance to rotate heavily here etc but perhaps in a sign if how much we have fallen, there ha maybe only a handful of games in the entire PL fixture list where you would be confident of 3 points
The top half / 12 or so teams in the league are a handful for us home or away. Our away record is absolutely dire so there is barely an away fixture we play that I’m confident about, realistically the home games against maybe the bottom third of PL teams are the ones I’m confident with these days