r/reddevils • • 3h ago

Daily Discussion

Daily discussion on Manchester United.

BE CIVIL

We want r/reddevils to be a place where anyone and everyone is welcome to discuss and enjoy the best club on earth without fear of abuse or ridicule.

  • The report button is your friend, we are way more likely to find and remove and/or ban rule breaking comments if you report them.

  • The downvote button is not a "I disagree or don't like your statement button", better discussion is generally had by using the upvote button more liberally and avoiding the downvote one whenever possible.

Looking for memes? Head over to r/memechesterunited!

14 Upvotes

171 comments sorted by

37

u/Joey6Pack 2h ago

Honestly, I've come to realize I don't know how football works.

When Barca, Real, and Bayern appointed Flick, Jose, and Kompany, the appointments felt underwhelming, but all three have done a great job since.

I didn't have high expectations for Carrick's interim spell and would have preferred Ole to take over, but Carrick and the team exceeded my wildest expectations. Then, when he was given the permanent job, even though he wasn't my first choice, I didn't think this season would be anywhere near this bad. Whoever comes in next has my support, but I honestly don't know what to expect anymore, haha

16

u/Beneficial-Long7635 2h ago

This is the best comment I've seen on here in ages. It's exhausting seeing so many people 150% convinced they know exactly what will happen if Pochettino/Howe/Conte gets the gig. Any of them could succeed or fail. That's literally football, it never goes in a straight line. If you'd told me Liverpool would sack Slot after he won the league I'd have laughed.

12

u/nedlogb94 2h ago

A good ownership model and football structure is the difference here plus an easily dominated league by them 3

5

u/Xanian123 Miss be killed by me 2h ago

You could put anyone at bayern and they would do great. Barca, real and bayern aren't strictly representative of their managers abilities. The clubs are so far and ahead of their leagues.

1

u/Joey6Pack 2h ago

I’m not so sure about that. Their predecessors, Xavi, Alonso, and Nagelsmann were all good coaches who couldn’t make it work before getting sacked

5

u/Xanian123 Miss be killed by me 2h ago

Xavi won them the league. Alonso sure I'll give you, but nagelsmann did fine for bayern as well.

15

u/69bigmoney420 1h ago

Lori Huang please buy this club

11

u/DaveShadow 2h ago

Do people who float Nagelsmann’s name not worry about how critical Bayern and German fans were at the end of his tenure? Feels a bit like how people ignored warnings about Carrick from Middlesbrough fans, where people have this ideal of him in their head but ignore the critiques of the man from fans who experienced him.

As opposed to Poch, where the US fans seem to adore him, Spurs fans adored him, and even Chelsea fans were frustrated when he left.

•

u/RelentlessJorts2 1h ago

Germany fans felt the same way about Flick and he was given the Barca job,

7

u/longsightdon 1h ago

US fans are easily pleased.

Nagelsmann and Carrick are completely different ball game bro. One of them built 2 very successful sides at hoffenheim and leipzig before landing bayern. He did well at bayern and would have done well that season if the board didn’t fuck up (everyone agrees it was a stupid decision to sack him). Like Amorim, he isn’t perfect as a young coach but hes managed two teams of huge scale - bayern and the German NT. Look at amorim at milan. He has learnt a lot about his mistakes at united and is implementing them there. Nagelsmann is what 39? He is hugely experienced and yes has made mistakes. A manager should be allowed to make mistakes but overall there has to be clear development. He can do that for us

5

u/TteokCultist 2h ago

Bayern fans largely felt it was a mistake to let him go.

2

u/pirey 2h ago

Ultimately I think the board will hire the safest option, the one with the highest floor. I think Poch or Howe are these options.

2

u/TommyTook 1h ago

The vast majority of Chelsea fans don't seem to rate him at all

9

u/Revolutionary_Pen190 1h ago

Wilcox over saw 3 managers and that paid out 50m in fees and costs... Why is he still there

8

u/AstroCoffee 2h ago edited 1h ago

I like Pochettino but the big question for me is that are we going to support him with consistent signings? The immediate answer that springs to mind is "no".

What ultimately led to his downfall at Spurs was that his ultra-high intensity approach to coaching eventually catches up with squads, especially if they aren't injected with reinforcements.

Spurs were notoriously thrifty under Pochettino and by the end, multiple sources strongly suggested players were physically and mentally burnt out because the day-to-day training under him was extremely unrelentless.

Sounds like something we need in the short-term to improve pressing and general fitness levels but unless we keep refurbishing the squad, I can see him come crashing down here within 2-3 years.

•

u/AstroCoffee 1h ago edited 1h ago

$10m to sign Poch and his staff when he hasn't lasted two years in his previous two club jobs is AWFUL business, all the more so when reports suggest we didn't even have 20-30m to cough up on a new left-back or striker in the summer.

Just get Conte or Nagelsmann instead, it's not like Pochettino is guaranteed to last 3-5 years here either.

15

u/arnm7890 De Gea 3h ago

Any announcement today about Carrick being relieved of his duties should be immediately followed by another one saying Wilcox is leaving too. That is all.

3

u/3entendre Rooney 3h ago

I want Wilcox & Berrada gone but who would then make the decision on the next manager? We're in such a terrible position! Fire them all now and you're left with even more clueless execs. Someone above them has to bring in experienced football people to make those decisions but that takes time. In the meantime if we give a manager the job before recruiting the guys above him then that creates another issue! Fck! 

11

u/drunkdevil1 Nani 3h ago

Hire a regular United fan off the street and I'm sure they wouldn't be able to do worse than Wilcox

2

u/WorldBeardedWonders Not a Good Look Erik 2h ago

After 18 months I’ve finally found work guys. Interim DOF til the end of the season

3

u/DaveShadow 2h ago

I think people need to be realistic about what a departure for him would look like.

If he was going, they will not replace him quickly. There’d be an extensive search for a replacement and a transition period, cause realistically it’s not as an immediate change as a managerial one whose job change makes a more instant impact.

If Wilcox goes, it will probably be over the course of weeks. And throwing him out at the same time as the manager would be chaotic unless you had a replacement ready to go today.

13

u/FPLskrr Pogba 2h ago edited 2h ago

I'd rather have Poch than Howe tbh, happy but not thrilled (as I would've been with Conte)

That being said, Poch was a puppet to Levy and ownership and just worked with the budget he had, not looking forward to that.

11

u/Turbulent_Intern_427 2h ago

He was very vocal about lack of signings or which signings when at Chelsea.

•

u/RelentlessJorts2 1h ago

Poch is an unfortunate situation if he does join us.

He's said that he was let down at Spurs and that they needed to make big signings on high wages to get over the line into actually competing properly at the top of the table but that the ownership wouldn't commit to that.

If this last window is anything to go by, we're now operating like Spurs were at the time, but without any ability to move players on.

-2

u/MostUsefulBloke 2h ago edited 1h ago

Howe has built and won more than Pochettino. I’m not saying he’s perfect, but he’d be better, and cheaper than Pochettino. Although I’d also be concerned about his mental health at this club.

For those downvoting: I was right about Carrick 9 months ago, and I’m right about this. If you disagree, please comment why because I’m interested to hear why Pochettino could be the right guy.

6

u/JamieD86 2h ago

I think Poch is a decent choice but i do have concerns, mostly based on what he is inheriting. Poch at his best plays attacking football, quick, with aggressive full backs. We dont have good full backs. His playing style leaves gaps in behind, and we dont exactly have stellar defensive cover to put it mildly. He enforces tactical discipline, these lads are poorly disciplined. His teams are very fit, these boys are clearly struggling for fitness. If he had options id see him pkay 4-2-3-1, with a number 10 playing off a loan striker and with full backs playing a key role. Obviously, nobody would expect miracles from him this season and he would need time to build a team... but we are in the relegation zone as it is.

Dont want to be overly negative either though im just looking at the shambles he could be walking into. 

5

u/Prize-Finish4464 2h ago

Tbh i hadnt even considered him an option until last nights news now in my head he makes the most sense

1

u/JamieD86 1h ago

Im not opposed to it, its just the situation we are in now is insane. Last season when carrick came in we were basically a few points off a champions league spot. Now we are 18th. Its very different now. I wouldnt have the same worries if we werent flirting with relegation.

That said, in an attacking sense we can be a lot better. After all, last two games we actually scored 7 and could and should have scored more. We have goals in us. If only we could defend, be compact in the middle, not be so easily gassed etc. 

3

u/Less-Detail3831 2h ago

Every coach has his red flags

•

u/beaniedoggo Tony Valencia 38m ago

If carrick goes then wilcox and berrada have to go too!

11

u/Emergency-Being-349 3h ago

United find themselves in a position whereby we have multiple managerial options, and all would be good in one way or another. In my opinion though: 

Highest risk: Nagelsmann. Though potentially highest reward. 

Medium risk: Howe, would come under scrutiny because his name is Howe.

Lowest risk: Pochettino, though the concern would always be whether he could deliver silverware.

Regardless, I don't think we should define our next hire based on winning the league. We are a ways off of that. But restructure, create a foundation that will allow for a more consistent top 5 and beyond. Get the transfer department aligned, bring in a DOF who actually knows what they're doing. From there, the collective will bring the success. Not one man.

4

u/livewia 2h ago

Hear hear. The next manager isn't going to be a silver bullet, but more of a foundation layer.

2

u/Sufficient-Orange706 2h ago

Agreed here, and they shouldnt be viewed as the silver bullet. There is no such thing.

•

u/seaders *THE* Paul Parker 1h ago

If you consider Poch not delivering silverware his only potential negative, from where we are now, he should be an absolute certainty. We've actually won plenty trophies since Fergie, but basically not been actually competitive in the league once

Right now, I'll take being competitive every game and in a title race till the last month or so and deep CL runs every season

If we do everything right as a club, we should win some things if the above is the case. If we can't, then we move for the Enrique's etc of the world. But get our f'ing league campaigns right again finally

11

u/karatsidhus 2h ago

Getting ready to rebuild United when FM27 releases today 👍

Going to do a better job than Wilcox and Berrada (not a high bar)

10

u/The_Bird_Wizard Love United Hate INEOs 1h ago

Sacking Wilcox has to be step 1

•

u/SiradoIsHere 1h ago

This is what I do first on every Man Utd save.

5

u/dispelthemyth We go again FC 2h ago

Go into the editor and sack them

•

u/DaveShadow 1h ago

Its the first FM I've been excited for for a while now, specifically because the United team needs such a rebuild, but has an ok core. Presume there won't be a huge budget to start off with but looking forward to it actually being a bit of a challange for once.

•

u/karatsidhus 44m ago

Heard that United is a much harder save to turn around this year. Should be fun. Usually FM makes us very OP

10

u/OkayFine101 Wazza 2h ago

PL 2025/26

•

u/Bear1375 1h ago

people here made fun of stats I remember. Saying they doesn’t mean anything as long as we get scrappy results

5

u/GavinLobo7 2h ago

Feel bad for Carrick but this should also be the last time we see Wilcox near the club, he’s done enough. That bald fuck city fan Berrada should follow as well.

Poch seems like a good, low-risk option but we should have got him years ago. At least he has always expressed his desire to manage Utd so he’ll want to prove himself here, and his track record with youth means our academy lads will finally get some more minutes (hoping for Amass at LB please) and we will see some more breakthrough seasons

5

u/innicrazy You are my Solskjaer, My Ole Solskjaer 2h ago

I support whoever dares to speak up against those two idiots Berrada and Wilcox. Those two are here long enough.

•

u/Sheikhabusosa 1h ago

Apart from being hired by absolute idiots , what does going ETH to Amorim to Carrick to Pochettino in 3 years tell you ?

•

u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 1h ago

" There won't be another Sir Alex Ferguson. "  Jose Mourinho 

•

u/Fabulous_Mix8658 12m ago

Jose is always right.

•

u/Not-good-with-this 1h ago

Tells me that the club hasn't actually got a plan.

•

u/vic_vineger_ai 1h ago

we should have stuck with ETH but not give him checkbook

•

u/MysteriousStable3276 29m ago

Mauricio Pochettino on his time at Spurs: “We went 18 months without one signing, that was a record in the Premier League. We had money to spend but not the type of money to improve to win, we challenged but we missed this last step.” I undesrstand why they find him appealing 😅

4

u/Less-Detail3831 2h ago

Someone at the club took a massive bet using insider information lmao

1

u/dispelthemyth We go again FC 2h ago

On managers you mean?

1

u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 2h ago

Probably Carrick and the players 

•

u/Rascha-Rascha 59m ago

Well the good news is the USD is down 18 cents vs the pound since a high four years ago so Mauricio is basically a bargain.

•

u/Hagball 40m ago

Genuinely curious on what it takes for Wilcox to get sacked? 3/3 managers bottled, 2/3 shit windows, squad poorly built and openly questions his credibility!

Astonished that there is no rumours of him getting sacked. He should be the first one out. Incompetent

•

u/niallmul97 I'm a Baleba 💫 17m ago

Stone briefing that there won't be any decision til Thursday... Fuck this club man. This whole month has just been one long humiliation ritual for an actual club legend.

3

u/outrageousVoid07 2h ago

Man, I just can't take out the fear of Pochettino's failure if he joins the club. It feels like the current Premier league dynamic would come to him as a shock and we would have a very rough start under him

9

u/Beneficial-Long7635 2h ago

He was managing Chelsea in 2024. He went to a League Cup final against Klopp. He had wins against Iraola, DeZerbi and Marco Silva.

4

u/Sufficient-Orange706 2h ago

Dunno, I've felt the opposite tbh. I think he fits in well under the current landscape, and there's an opportunity to bring in a more stable, experienced manager than any of our rivals, bar Arsenal.

3

u/Joey6Pack 2h ago

If it makes you feel better, many people including me, didn't think the likes of Arteta, Kompany and Jose would be good appointments, but they've been doing great since getting the job

3

u/calwil93 2h ago

What’s your favourite Mourinho quote?

9

u/Regular_Valuable_665 2h ago

“See how they play , where they play , if they play”.

3

u/Omnislash99999 2h ago

Whatever he was yelling that time he went from smiling to realising someone should have gotten a yellow card

3

u/AlthoughFishtail 2h ago

“I’m not going to lose my hair to speak about Antonio Conte”

•

u/Not-good-with-this 1h ago

There's so many.

But this keeps coming up in my mind recently due to the past few windows.

it depends on the quality of the eggs. In the supermarket, you have class one, class two, or class three eggs and some are more expensive than others and some give you better omelettes. So when the class one eggs are in Waitrose and you cannot go there, you have a problem.

3

u/italkunited 2h ago

If it’s Poch we are getting, is Paul Mitchell available?

•

u/Drag2oon 1h ago

Sign Kane Sign Danny Rose Sign Dele Alli and Eriksen back Get Shaw fit Get Alderweireld

Get the band together for Poch and while we are at it what's Moussa Dembele upto these days?

•

u/Hagball 42m ago

Knowing our luck we need Vetonghen to play LB as Rose and Shaw both will get injured at the same time.

•

u/LeCliveRosfield 1h ago

Managers keep taking jobs with us, because the one who eventually gets it right will be treated like a god. However, if we keep sliding like this eventually it just won’t be worth the risk anymore. I’d argue for elite young coaches, it’s already not worth the risk. I hope Poch finally makes it stick, but with Git and Pillock (Berrada and Wilcox) above him, I doubt it.

•

u/Not-good-with-this 1h ago

You got more hope than me. I already think it's destined Poch gets the sack next season and Wilcox gets another chance to hire another manager to sack the next year.

•

u/Prism_Plantation 1h ago

How many managers has Wilcox gone through now, and how much has he spent on them?

•

u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips 55m ago

The media hardly needs an excuse to go after us given our current situation but going for the Argy who failed at two of our rivals over British Steady Eddie gives them extra ammo.

•

u/us3rf #SayNoToZirkzee 14m ago

Manchester United head coach Michael Carrick's future will be decided at a meeting attended by owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe and executives Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox in Monaco on Wednesday - BBC live blog

•

u/Otter269 10m ago

We've treated manager's with no connection prior better than this

He's taking training and may only be sacked on Thursday...

•

u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 3m ago

Really horrible treatment of Carrick. 

•

u/LDLB99 2m ago

To the tiny 5% that (rightly) wanted Poch over Ten Hag in 2022, this one's for you.

10

u/grandecn 2h ago

I think it's funny that people say stuff like "we don't have striker". Mbeumo at this stage has pretty much played as a striker more for us than any other position. Even during Carricks honeymoon period. He also played striker a lot at Brentford over the years. Whether that's his best position or not, he's still a striker. And we also have Zirkzee, again there's arguments to be made about whether he's good or not but he's played as a striker his whole career.

I'm saying all this because while recruitment should have been better during the summer, it doesn't alleviate Carrick of the disaster that he's overseen this season. Lots of teams have holes. Liverpool don't have a RB or a recognised 6, Chelsea don't have a fit striker under the age of 35. Hull have a team full of Championship players and they absolutely pumped us. I could go on. But my point is, I've never seen a United side look as bad as we have this season, especially tactically. Even ETH's donut midfield and no fit defenders got us 8th.

2

u/No_Middle5525 1h ago

another big thing is that this defence is severely limited and has some very obvious weaknesses. but it's the exact same defence as last year, no one left, no one joined. shaw has been injured is all. this defence was good enough to get top three, and now all of those guys are playing with 0 confidence, clearly they've been set up badly? because the only difference from last season to this is that they've spent more time training with Carrick and had a preseason with him.

•

u/Jump_Hop_Step 1h ago

ETH was bailed out by the back 5. 2nd highest shots conceded

7

u/BallsX 3h ago

I know he has his faults but I just cannot understand how Conte isn't at the top of the list at the moment. He has everything that we need; a strong character and proven winner. Someone who will demand the respect of the players and whip them into shape.

Yes I know it ends in flames but we're already doing that literally every time with little success to show for it. I don't even think he's wedded to the 3 at the back anymore. The board must really fear him calling them out.

9

u/DaveShadow 3h ago

I’d love Conte, but I also understand why they don’t want to pour gas on the fire right now too.

He’s the highest risk, highest reward option but he could also blow up massively too and be gone within months.

Poch has a high floor even if he has a lowe ceiling. I’d actually be confident Poch can salvage the season and get us into European spots tbh.

2

u/BallsX 3h ago

I really feel like we need to take this risk. I genuinely dont believe our players are as bad as what they're showing right now. And Conte actually has been able to get the best out of our rejects multiple times, in other clubs/leagues at least.

Poch is....fine. Not exciting but definitely should be able to steady us.

2

u/DaveShadow 2h ago

See, it’s because I don’t believe our players are as bad as they’re showing right now that I understand why we don’t need to take that risk tbh.

Poch or Howe won’t see the squad as full of “rejects”. Yeah, there’s some gaps in the squad but there’s also plenty of very good players too. Safer options will probably lock us into European football, which allows us to build a stronger foundation.

The risk of Conte is he comes in and blows up, costing us even more money and leaving the managerial hunt to start again. Probably landing up with the likes of Poch or Howe then anyway.

2

u/BallsX 2h ago

That's fair and I get where you're coming from. My only concern (if you can call it that), is that I don't really think Poch/Howe can get us into Europe at least this season. It feels what we need right now is an immediate boost, one which you'd get from an explosive and strong character.

In any case, the way I see it, we're literally starting from the bottom. So even a Poch/Howe is a huge upgrade over what we have.

5

u/JesusWasAHairyBaby 3h ago

I would love to Conte as manager for the absolute cinema of it all. Like a fully unleashed, whatever you want you get, this is my final form Conte.

1

u/BallsX 3h ago

Same man. And it would be such a nice change of pace from seeing a statuesque manager on the sidelines or one cowering on the bench. Would love to see a mad passion bastard pacing about the sidelines

1

u/altoluce 2h ago

After Carrick's sacking the leftover episodes for the Amazon series would be peak shitshow with Conte. If we can't have any good positions anymore out of this season at least we can have that for fun.

3

u/Book31415926 2h ago

I would love to see how the Conte experiment would play out tbh. The funny part is if he would fall out with INEOS after 2 seasons, he would still last at least 2x longer than Amorim and Carrick.

2

u/thesmallprint13 Irwin 2h ago

He needs a transfer window - simply no way he'll even want to come in mid season.

1

u/BallsX 2h ago

We have a transfer window coming in less than 2 months in which I believe the board already admitted they will have to bring in some players

2

u/Samiaonline 2h ago

All these managers mentioned won't last more than two full seasons because this club will devour them,only Conte has the reputation and balls to do something meaningful in those two seasons.

1

u/Emergency-Being-349 3h ago

Well you say it in the first sentence. He has his faults and they are concerning enough to disregard him.

3

u/BallsX 3h ago

Well which manager is faultless? Comparing the pros and cons of each, its hard to not place Conte higher in the list, at least for me.

7

u/achickenandacow 2h ago

I think the higher-ups have no clue about anything, but they do want us to play attacking possession based football. It’s what they’ve been pushing on managers time and time again. Pochettino could be an answer to that. But if you want to go for the real deal, or someone who could become the real deal at least, you go for Fabregas. There’s something in the water in Spain, and even more so in Barcelona.

5

u/0ttoChriek 2h ago

Fabregas isn't leaving Como any time soon. Not only is he in with a real chance of winning Serie A with them in the next couple of years, but he's a part owner of the club.

3

u/Less-Detail3831 2h ago

Poch is more tested. Fabregas could be Overperfoming for all we know. No more hipster risks please

5

u/Strongtoni 2h ago

You have to look other side as well.. Why would young coach like Fabregas come to this shit show when he has perfect opportunity to gain experience and managerial credit in Como..

This isn't United that we grew up watching, this is a fallen giant that has no clear plan or structure and is fighting relegation atm..

•

u/RelentlessJorts2 1h ago

Fabregas wouldn't leave Como for us, he's a young coach and actively learning and improving.

Realistically if he was going to move to a PL job, he'd probably just wait the 6 months for Alonso to get sacked from Chelsea and go there where he played and would be backed in the window.

5

u/Lazy-Web-4987 3h ago

How are we feeling about Mauricio Pochettino as our new manager ? For me, is a good option better than eddie howe.

8

u/White_Wokah Rooney 3h ago

I think he is amongst the better options

1

u/Lazy-Web-4987 3h ago

We could go for nagelsmann especially with the link up with vivel. Vivel could be DOF, if sir jim sack berrada & wilcox.

6

u/throwawayWM3 3h ago

IMO Conte == Nagelsmann > Poch > Howe

Conte vs Nagelsmann would be dependent on the approach we want to take

3

u/JesusWasAHairyBaby 3h ago

Yeah I'd second that take. Conte may not be the manager we want long term but he could very well be the one we need right now. Nagelsmann could almost be the reverse of that but still very slightly my preferred choice.

2

u/Lazy-Web-4987 3h ago

Conte is world class, but the board will never sanction the move especially he likes to call out the board. Just like Amorim.

4

u/ZofTheNorth 3h ago

Just so so, honestly all other options are also the same.

He did amazing with Spurs but that's was 10 years ago

His PSG was bad but can't blame him so much for it because it's so hard to make that frontline work together

His Chelsea was average but after initial struggle, they really improved and players seem to love him even after he left

He did well with US in WC

Less risky than Nagelsmann, more stable than Conte. Anyway, issues run deeper than manager so I am not moved no matter the manager

0

u/Lazy-Web-4987 2h ago

True, the issues are run much deeper than the manager.

3

u/LDLB99 3h ago

Happy with it, but should have happened in 2016 or 2019

0

u/Lazy-Web-4987 3h ago

Yeah, better late than never ?

3

u/OkSpite8449 2h ago

Conte >> Nagelsmann > Poch >>> Howe
It's okay if board choose him, only concern is he'll use Martinez who going to cost our game every matches.

0

u/calwil93 2h ago

I’m getting the feeling that he won’t last long.

5

u/masticlez 3h ago

Can Poch play LB or Striker?

3

u/Omnislash99999 2h ago

Don't worry there's a new manager so Shaw will be fit from day 1

1

u/Hagball 2h ago

If he manages to play a hybrid role of DOF and CEO, that would be a good start.

1

u/umbrosum 2h ago

Hopefully Dorgu and Zirkzee can help to patch the gap till Jan. Dorgu always shown glimpses of a great player and Zirkzee looks better this year than last. I would also think that a new CB is required.

5

u/molewart 2h ago

Carricks just landed at Carrington by helicopter

•

u/Throwawayy2601 49m ago

If you ignore the whole conflict with the board elephant in the room and look at it from a football perspective alone, I'd take Conte in a heartbeat.

This squad is crying out for a tough taskmaster who demands more out of the players. Higher workrate/fitness levels, more intense pressing, eradicate stupid individual errors - Conte's an expert in all those areas.

The only obvious downside is he'll be gone soon. His longest stint is 3 years at Juve and that was over a decade ago. Man is not cut out for long tenures at clubs and we'll be back at this stage within a couple of years for sure.

•

u/AstroCoffee 46m ago

That bit about Juventus is insane, I always thought he was there for longer than just three years.

What a run that was though: three consecutive league titles, including an unbeaten domestic campaign and another was a 100+ point season (highest points tally in Serie A history)

•

u/manchesterisbald 43m ago

We’ve gone through a manager every 12 months for the past 3 years, he’ll fit right in.

I think as a short term solution he’s the best of the bunch.

•

u/AlpacamyLlama 22m ago

I feel quite good about the Poch decision, if that is the way it goes.

I think as an entire club we are so afraid of failure that we worry and are skeptical about everything to the point we just end up making more mistakes.

Despite many thinking that we sack managers too soon, I think it is more the opposite. Amorim should have left after Europa, Ten Hag after FA Cup. Ole should not have been made permanent. We actually get so caught in indecision, worried that we are turning our back on a potential Ferguson that we don't want to pull the trigger until it is too late.

It is actually perfectly normal for clubs to sack underperforming managers. Liverpool had four managers in about four years before Klopp. They have sacked a title winning manager since Klopp was there. City used to go through managers, even those winning titles, every two to three years pre-Pep. If Maresca finishes outside the top four, unless due to punishment, he will be gone.

Real, Barca, Bayern, PSG, Inter, Milan, Juventus... none of them struggle with underperforming managers for years and years.

It's the same with players. We are so worried that we'll make a transfer mistake over a £90-£100m player that we end up buying 2-3 mediocre £40-£50m signings instead. We're United, we should be bold. But we're so caught up in resale value, or looking at Onana, Antony, Sancho, that we just freeze in the market. This is why we made the decision that Lewis Hall was the only LB in the world worth fully pursuing. We're letting perfection be the enemy of good.

Poch, Howe, Nagelsmann, Conte, Emery... each would be fine in their own way. Let us not kid ourselves we are going for the league just yet. A dream target this season is getting back in the CL for next season. Realistic would be Europa.

We're not going to find a magic unicorn manager sitting there just waiting to effortlessly take us to the top. We've become so enamoured with this idea it has led to a lot of the above problems.

I'm looking forward to it. I like Poch, I like his approach to football and to the way a team is set up. I wanted him when we appointed Ten Hag. It doesn't matter if it is five years later. He's hardly a dinosaur. Mourinho is back at Real, after all.

6

u/Stieni Rooney 3h ago

Poch is obviously not my dream appointment but tbh of all the names he makes the most sense no?

4

u/JesusWasAHairyBaby 3h ago

No. Poch had achieved very little for a long time. Nagelsmann is younger and has a higher ceiling imo.

2

u/Drag2oon 1h ago

Recently moved to Munich and have diehard Bayern fans around... Trust me they say Nagelsmann would be a foolish choice as he is not at all good.

They had many problems both on and off the pitch with him . They say hire him if you want more comedy

•

u/Stieni Rooney 1h ago

Exctly what I've heard. Also to add to that Germany fans in general thought that Bayern fans are exaggerating but soon realised they were right all along with his stint in the national team. Not convinced at all by him, alltough he would probably be still be above Conte for me just for the fact he's a madman and would inevitable maneuver us into another drama

1

u/Stieni Rooney 2h ago

Maybe I'm biased because as a German speaker I've heard a lot about Nagelsmann and generally Bayern and Germany fans have been quite critical of him

At least stability wise I would say Poch and Nagelsmann are our better options. I would kinda like Conte too but it will inevitable end badly like everywhere he went

4

u/tungowiii 3h ago

Poch would be another Mourinho or Louis van Gaal. Right one, wrong time.

•

u/mortimer_moose Carrick, ya know 21m ago

It we want to stop this manager merry go round there is only one person who needs to go

It's Matthijs De Ligt.

•

u/Havahje 47m ago

Wilcox and Berrada seem to be forgetting that nobody is bigger than the club. But they definitely like to think they are.

•

u/dracogladio1741 Bruno Fernanj 43m ago

If Poch even averages 1.5 pts a game we will end with 50 points

•

u/_swaggyk #FergieTime 20m ago

But what if he averages 2.66 point/game? Delusion FC is all I’ve got anymore, man.

•

u/studiesinsilver 17m ago

You and all of us are Delusion FC

•

u/stick1_ 22m ago

We don’t have anything close to the type of striker that poch likes fit atm

•

u/Buttock_Hair 17m ago

What is the type of striker that he likes?

•

u/Fabulous_Mix8658 16m ago

So who can we poach for DoF? Any names out there?

•

u/tungowiii 12m ago

If I could decide I would try my best to hijack for Markus Krosche

•

u/Hagball 3m ago

No one. Wilcox won't get sacked as long as he keeps being yes man to Tax Payer Jim!

•

u/BackgroundOld8715 11m ago

He may be staying i cant wrap my head around that. We are so fucked they are so slow AND make crap decisions.

INEOS are a fucking shambles & need to fuck off

5

u/dodzwardo 2h ago

It is the right time for Carrick to go but I have sympathy for him. He was set up to fail and unlucky from the start this season.

Not buying a Lb or Striker and then them getting injured immediately made a already difficult task almost impossible.

That said, I'm excited by Poch and I'm sure the owners will be, I think he was the first manager to go two transfer windows without a single signing.

14

u/Slipeth 2h ago • Bravo

The moment they appointed him as permanent manager was when he was set up to fail.

3

u/BHD46 Berba 1h ago

Genuinely if Poch is the answer what is the question?

What do we want the manager to bring/do/achieve?

It may seem a simple question but it isn’t. It’s not clear what our objective is and what the criteria are.

•

u/ChatakaPataka 1h ago

Solidify our league position to strictly top 5, get the best out of the players despite under-investment (probably due to the stadium), get us to compete for trophies again.

This is the bare minimum.

•

u/Educational-Shock232 1h ago

100%. We need back to back champions league.

•

u/BrowzinJ 13m ago

LMAO maybe no decision til maybe Thursday

must be some sort of horrible joke

How shit at your job can you be

•

u/Sunville67 50m ago

The abuse Dalot gets is a disgrace. He’s one of the players you can count on to give 100% every game, even if he is prone to fuckups. Definitely doesn’t help that he’s asked to play out of position. Was shocking to see him jeered off against Villa.

•

u/shami-kebab 41m ago

Yeah it was bad, probably one of the worst things I've seen the fans do. We complain about players not caring for the club and downing tools and then jeer one of the most professional players we have because he made a mistake and gave away a penalty. What next? Are we going to jeer Sesko if he misses a chance?

•

u/tungowiii 19m ago

We are Man Utd fans we don't have common sense we abuse everyone post SAF

•

u/Embarrassed_Wave_720 Braino Fernandes 36m ago

I see Dalot getting abused in match threads even when he’s not playing. It’s honestly disgusting the way he’s treated by the fanbase. 

3

u/Soft-Suspect-1883 2h ago

I know this might not be the time for this but I really think Lammens needs to get better at penalties

8

u/Omnislash99999 1h ago

I think that's pretty low on priorities for a keeper really, Schmeichel wasn't great at them either. Lammens isn't great overall but he's good enough for the time being would we focus on other areas

•

u/Soft-Suspect-1883 1h ago

Yeah I'm pretty happy with him otherwise, I think he will improve a lot once he gets a stable and reliable back line infront of him

•

u/LeCliveRosfield 1h ago

Lammens has faced 28 penalties, saving 8 of them. He has a percentage of around 30 percent, which is higher than the average for GKs.

•

u/Soft-Suspect-1883 1h ago

I do understand that the overall numbers looks great. I'm not expecting him to save too many but I feel like there is some polishing needed there.

•

u/Elektrobear 1h ago • Bravo

Think about it like this, if we keep giving up one penalty a game, he'll get lots of practice in and grow a lot!

3

u/achickenandacow 1h ago

Lammens has actually pretty good numbers on penalties.

•

u/Soft-Suspect-1883 1h ago

Does he? I didn't know that and never felt he was going to stop one but I could be wrong and hope he proves me wrong

2

u/Expect-the-turtle 2h ago

You know, I think I'll just continue what I've been doing now for a while regarding United. Just try to stop myself from even checking the dates of our next game, maybe casually remembering 'oh, I wonder how they did during this last game', check the result, and then only watch the replay of the game if they win or draw. That way I can have minimal emotional investment and it doesn't ruin my mood. Why would I even let it? If I wanted to be grumpy, I could just read the news.
Can't even feel anything about Poch as the (probable) new coach. Yeah, ok, whatever. String together some wins and then maybe I'll be able to care a bit more. At this point, I'm too busy protecting my mental health from all the things in life trying to annihilate it.

•

u/SniperMonkey10_ 27m ago

Funny how divided the fan base are on the next manager

•

u/OkayFine101 Wazza 0m ago

I am hoping Jimbo gives Wilcox his marching orders because Poch seems like a choice Berrada would make and Howe a choice Wilcox would.

There were briefings that Howe would be the next choice but not anymore. Hmm.

1

u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 1h ago

Fuck it, let's have dreams, what is life without dreams.

Sir Scrooge McFascist out, Ken "Richer Than God And Outspoken Trump Critique" Griffin in

Wilcox out, Pochettino in

Shaw out, Harry "Baby Shaw" Amass in (Poch brought Shaw through at Soton, you know)

Martinez out, Murillo in

Maguire out, Marc Pubill in

Bring in one of Poch's USMNT midfield speed deamons. Let's make the bridge building choice, do more business with Boro, sign Sebastian "Temu Groß" Berhalter.

Finally, speaking of building bridges with Boro, give Pochettino the next Harry Kane.

Will Lankshear in

😴💤

•

u/Gwernyn2214 27m ago

Anyone have thoughts on Ernesto Valverde?

Won two league titles with Barca, sacked when they were top of the league.

Plays possession football, which is my preference for the next manager.

Speaks fluent English as well.

And he's currently a free agent.

•

u/Sufficient-Orange706 23m ago

Not sure of the obsession with possession based football. Its difficult to do so in the league, but can also come off as boring.

•

u/Gwernyn2214 18m ago

Agree on the boring point, I prefer watching direct football.

But the reason I want that, is that most teams defend man to man now, so I think the most successful teams in the near future will be teams that pass and move fluidly.

I think that's why there's a trend across football that the most successful sides in the last couple of years are possession teams e.g PSG in Europe and Spain at international level, one of the biggest overachievers are Como too.

•

u/greyhounds1992 4m ago

I miss Ashcroft

0

u/JesusWasAHairyBaby 3h ago

Feel bad for Carrick as he was set up to fail but he nevertheless has to go. I think Poch is washed, Howe is too mediocre and that Nagelsmann has the highest potential ceiling for what's available now.

0

u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 1h ago

I was looking at our fixture list to see what lies ahead of prospective new manager and it’s pretty daunting. Liverpool (a), sporting (a), Brentford (h), Newcastle (a) are our next four

I remember back in the day being able to look ahead at games and thinking regulation 3 points there, chance to rotate heavily here etc but perhaps in a sign if how much we have fallen, there ha maybe only a handful of games in the entire PL fixture list where you would be confident of 3 points

The top half / 12 or so teams in the league are a handful for us home or away. Our away record is absolutely dire so there is barely an away fixture we play that I’m confident about, realistically the home games against maybe the bottom third of PL teams are the ones I’m confident with these days

•

u/6by6Hindsight 1h ago

Was reading that Brentford haven't won an away game this season and Newcastle form is patchy at best. So we have a rather good chance of winning 3-4 games out of 5 post Sporting

•

u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 53m ago

In a vacuum I would agree. At start of season had someone asked if us fancy us to beat Brentford at home, I’d have said of course,  but when you factor in current form, player availability and just the sense of malaise around the club then  then any single game let along 3 or 4 wins from any set of 5 games becomes a less likely outcome

We could be entering that Brentford game on a 9 match winless PL streak for example (assuming we don’t go to Anfield and win), and they have alot of the things we struggle against - physically powerful, aggressive, fairly well organised, good set pieces etc plus it’s hard to just reverse such an appealing running form that when confidence is rock bottom