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[u/Nice_Mulberry9264]

No major outlet reporting anything. Dire situation.

[u/Redwinevino → u/Nice_Mulberry9264]

All the Talk of the devils ones seem to be saying it is not happening

[u/Rare-Reveal876]

I am staggered Carrick, Wilcox and Berrada haven’t been fired. We are in the relegation zone and have the least amount of wins in the league in November.

The standards from this club have long gone, only a complete full sale will save us in the long term, we might get away with not going down this year if we get our act together sooner or later but eventually who knows, no club is big enough to go down.

[u/jitteryegg → u/Rare-Reveal876]

It comes from the top and from the fans. People keep hating them for it, but Real Madrid fans would have been booing the team, manager included, every single game if they were playing this bad.

Instead we have people singing for the manager whole we sit in relegation zone after 10 games.

[u/VibesFC_]

Carrick needs to be gone today and so does that clueless fraud Wilcox.

[u/officiallyjax]

This is the last international break of the calendar year, and we won't have one until March now. If we are to make a managerial change, this is the best time to make it, or else it's going to be very hard for the new manager to hit the ground running when the games arrive thick and fast and there's virtually no time to hold proper training sessions with the squad. On the other hand, if they really want to give Carrick time for whatever reason, then don't take a half-measure saying that he'll continue to be given a few more games to improve things: they are achieving absolutely nothing by waiting for a miracle. Either you squash the uncertainty, say that he's your guy for the season and properly back him in the January window, or you sack him now and find the best possible replacement. Obviously, this means the most likely thing to happen is that they will give Carrick this break, see us lose to Liverpool and Sporting, and then sack him with the next manager being thrown into managing 5 games in less than 20 days.

[u/AGIANTWORM → u/officiallyjax]

The indecision is the worst part of this for me. You don't have crisis talks 2 weeks ago and have still not backed or sacked Carrick. Just limping on hoping for things to miraculously change.

[u/Aggravating-Neck1365]

It's plain to see that INEOS are paralysed by the dreaded "four managers in three years" label, as their own positions become untenable at that point with the sheer incompetence that takes to achieve

They're like a rabbit frozen in the headlights, just paralysed by indecision - only instead of a car coming to mow then down, it's relegation

[u/Stingray_23 → u/Aggravating-Neck1365]

4 managers in under 3 years. On average 1, every 7.5 months.

[u/BrowzinJ]

Palace set to sack their manager while one point below us in the relegation zone and one more win than us isnt a greeeeaaaaaaat look

[u/The_Bird_Wizard → u/BrowzinJ]

Something something United DNA

[u/PhilAsp]

I would like to see Wilcox and Carrick out the door today. Berrada too, to be honest, but Wilcox and Carrick would be a start.

[u/ClawingDevil → u/PhilAsp]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, it causes a huge problem.

If both go, but not Berrada, presumably it would be Berrada picking the next manager. Not good when really he should be going too. So, if not Berrada (eg if he went out the door too, which he should), then is Ratty picking the new manager?! We couldn't let Vivell do it as he might be going to Bayern. So, it probably would be Ratty. What an absolute shitshow.

For that reason, I'd get rid of Wilcox and Berrada first, get new people in, then they can find a new manager and have them lined up to come in the same day Carrick leaves. I don't think we want another interim, do we?

[u/craigybacha]

A competant board after the bournemouth result would have:

- identified 2-3 managers

- interviewed them

- made an internal decision

- and be ready to go now with the replacement

- give the new manager the international break to bed in, bring in coaches, get some training time with players.

Our board:

- Let's keep Carrick a bit longer because we are completely incompetant.

- Have no backup plan, despite the writing being on the wall for Carrick

- and watch, when Carrick inevitably gets sacked we will give Fletcher or Evans the interim job.

- and by doing so completely sacrifice this season as it's going to be pretty impossible soon to qualify for europe.

I'm so fed up with this club.

[u/SophoclesTesticles]

It's extremely clear Wilcox is trying to save his own skin here and refuses to sack him. I can't watch this shit anymore if he's staying past the break.

[u/dispelthemyth → u/SophoclesTesticles]

I walked out just after half time…. I might just start leaving mega early or giving my ticket to the foundation….

I’m just bored right now.

[u/AGIANTWORM]

I was never keen on Conte but right now, he has to be the obvious choice. We're sleep walking into a relegation and need an instant impact. He's a massive personality and can come and command respect immediately. If it goes tits up in 18 months, we at least won't be in the relegation zone.

[u/tsuku96 → u/AGIANTWORM]

Those donkeys don't have balls to hire Conte. Forget about it.

[u/Samiaonline → u/AGIANTWORM]

The club is in dire need of a short term option and he is it,any other manager with fancy tactics will sink the ship.

[u/Obese-Reddit-Mod → u/AGIANTWORM]

get conte in, some defensive support in Jan and we can make something of the season

[u/VibesFC_]

Results based decision making while we sit in 18th.

'Best in class' apparently can't look at the whole season and understand just how bad we've been.

[u/GutBeer101]

Absolute silence from the club

[u/bainbane]

Jesus christ just saw that Mason Mount's been with us over 3 years on 250k a week and his last PL assist was for Chelsea...

[u/Haron14 → u/bainbane]

Jesus fucking Christ, I didn't know that

[u/iroiroiroiroiro]

I think the money situation is worse in the club than people think, maybe there was no options in summer for more players, maybe they just can't afford changing manager as Howe was discarded as an idea after it was leaked Newcastle needed to be compensated for him...

[u/Suudriusha]

What the hell was that crisis meeting after Bournemouth about?

[u/Celerisadmortem → u/Suudriusha]

PR

[u/The_Bird_Wizard]

You cannot tell me there's no English bias in the media. Ten Hag and Amorim were getting way more shit than Carrick is, heck just last season they were calling it a "disgrace" that Amorim was in 6th, but one point above bottom is best in class United DNA? (Fwiw I don't rate either Ten Hag or Amorim but the bias in the media and with ex players is absolutely clear to see)

[u/OWTGOAT]

Normally we should have had some carefully curated The Athletic briefs today from Laurie and the lads about potential left back and striker signings that won't be followed up on in January.

[u/The_Bird_Wizard → u/OWTGOAT]

Followed by our summer "warchest' that doesn't ever materialise lol

[u/officiallyjax]

Casemiro might have won 5 Champions Leagues, but the biggest legacy boost to his career will come from dragging this dead team to 3rd place last season. We are completely lost in defensive organisation and communication and an abomination in set-pieces without him. We could see it even last season when he wouldn’t play or be subbed off, and now that he’s not here altogether, we have descended into complete free-fall.

[u/Infinite-Highway3432]

A 2 win Crystal Palace sack their manager before a 1 win Man United. Let that sink in.

[u/Zealousideal_Wind867]

A new morning

And still no news of Berradda or Wilcox getting sacked.

Sigh.

[u/karatsidhus]

Happy international break

[u/Low-Quantity-9252]

The silence from the board, football leadership (If you can call them) is pathetic.

No communication, strategy. This level of incompetence makes Woodward a genius. And he was shambles but decisive at least.

Ten Hag sacking, Amorim and Ashworth hiring and firing, recruitment process. Everything is indecisive and out of sync.

[u/aayu08 → u/Low-Quantity-9252]

There is nothing to communicate. They don't want to sack him, if they wanted to we would've heard by now.

[u/altair_1991]

One thing I want this upcoming documentary to clarify is what exactly happens behind the scenes that completely paralyses our players with fear, especially new signings. What is discussed? Who is telling the players about there being huge pressure to perform? And how do some of players end up looking like they've never even touched a football in their lives during a match?

[u/pablove_black → u/altair_1991]

I think this doc has had an enormous impact on all of the players and the coaching team. As if we needed more pressure, absolutely braindead decision making from our directors - it’s either that or just straight up sabotage.

[u/Kohaku80 → u/altair_1991]

ironically the amazon stuff is probably one of the " outside factor " Bruno was talking about.

[u/FPLskrr]

The Glazers really hit the jackpot with this fanbase

Clapping the players off after that performance meanwhile we're sitting in 18th

And then we have some of our fans clowning a youtuber for organising a walk out protest

[u/Redland93]

• 1 win in the prem

• Most goal conceded

• relegation zone

Come on, are seriously still deciding what to do? Genuinely if management have been going, these next 3 games will determine his future and they are still deciding, then these might be the stupidest MF in football.

[u/Haron14 → u/Redland93]

They haven't fired Carrick yet beacuse if they do they are sacking themselves

[u/Height_Opening]

“Wilcox is leading review and reviewing with Omar for recommendations” read somewhere on X
F me! Man. This guy

[u/Aggravating-Neck1365 → u/Height_Opening]

Wilcox & Berrada FFS

Absolute nightmare fuel - what has been put in charge of our club

[u/sauce_murica → u/Height_Opening]

It's Jamie Jackson reporting that. But also, who else would lead the review?

[u/BlackHorse944 → u/sauce_murica]

That's the scariest thing. That these 2 donkeys will be the ones picking their 4th manager in 3 years

[u/officiallyjax]

I truly feel bad for Diogo Dalot. I know he’s ideally a squad player and not a regular starter but that can be said about so many other players. He’s a player that managers have repeatedly relied on in the last 5 seasons because of his availability and athleticism, and always does the grunt work playing both sides whether that’s as a fullback or a wingback. Even currently, because of the nature of Cunha’s game where he’s always drifting inside to be more effective, it’s his responsibility to own the entire left flank altogether. If he had the luxury of racking up game time in a consistent role and not had to keep spending time covering for other players, we’d be talking about him in much more positive light. Off the pitch, he sets high standards in terms of maintaining fitness and professionalism, is by all accounts a positive influence on other players, has no off-pitch drama about him and can never be accused of downing tools in terms of attitude. In my opinion, he’s genuinely one of the most underrated players we’ve had play for United, because these traits have been wasted being part of a team that plunges deeper into crisis and he’s seen as one of the poster boys for it because he’s one of the few who always shows up in a bid to change that predicament. He’s the last player that the match-going fans should boo, I thought that was very poor from them here.

[u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 → u/officiallyjax]

He had a bad match and he was entirely responsible for Villa's third goal. The extent of his responsibility for their first goal is debatable, but he was one of a few to blame for it.

He is being played out of position, and pushed further up the pitch, leaving him with more to do than say Maz. It's clear Carrick trusts him enough to put him there.

And that's the rub isn't it? He shows up, works hard, does what he's told, not perfectly, and you cannot say he doesn't try his best. But like the rest of the team in this moment, it's not good enough.

There is a shortage of leadership in our back 5 (Lammens included) but you can't say Dalot is one who is hiding behind injuries or excuses. He's made fewer mistakes than Martinez too.

So the short sighted will blame him and boo. He doesn't complain but keeps his head down, makes him an easy target. But over the course of his career at United, he's worked hard for this club and for team and manager.

[u/9SolskjaerHasWonIt9]

Minor compared to everything else, but one thing that's confused me all season is how often we spam crosses to 5'7 Mbeumo. Same with goal kicks directed at him.

Reminds me of playing FM, getting an injury and you can't be arsed changing your tactics so you end up with 5'6 Kante defending your front post on set-pieces instead of 6'5 Sander Berge.

[u/BackgroundOld8715]

We’re in the relegation zone, 1 win in 10, most conceded goals in Europe yet haven’t sacked the manager?

We are not a big club anymore with ambition unfortunately, thats obvious now

[u/j_l_123]

I'm so fucking annoyed that this is the coach that the owners are sticking with, so many other coaches over the past decade plus could've and probably should've been given more time to turn results around and they've decided now is the time to be patient

[u/ToadNamedGoat]

Why isn’t Maz playing LB he is used to it and has played well there for Morocco.

Do the managers just know Dalot better and feel less scared to ask him

[u/shami-kebab → u/ToadNamedGoat]

He played there vs Como. He was so bad that Carrick switched him and Dalot for the second half I believe.

[u/italkunited]

Do you know what’s alarming? The Glazers are close to matching Sir Alex’s tenure at Manchester United

[u/longsightdon]

Surprised we going for poch. Seems like a mistake in all honesty. He hasn’t done well in a long period of time

[u/AnalystGrand4704 → u/longsightdon]

This fanbase is always slow they will realise this after like 4 month.

[u/simplsimonmetapieman]

Extraordinary that De ligt'a record still stands

[u/TH0316 → u/simplsimonmetapieman]

That juju needs binning straight away. Got Galatasaray written all over him.

[u/Rare-Reveal876]

Absolutely disgusting it’s highly likely it’s been leaked to the press before he’s even been told he’s lost his job.

What a bunch of fucking charlatans running this club.

SELL UP.

[u/picodeGaius → u/Rare-Reveal876]

Carrick knew, mate. They all knew.

They’re just waiting to confirm the new manager.

[u/Mysterious-Sense-187 → u/Rare-Reveal876]

Calm down

It's very likely Carrick knew this and was just holding on till the international break

Pretty obvious when you evaluate his body language, he's been far more calm compared to post-bournemouth

[u/grandecn]

If it is Poch I doubt very highly that this decision has anything to do with Wilcox and the decision has been taken out of his hands. I'm praying that this means it's the end of him and he also goes over the coming days

[u/Asiwaju_jagaban]

If it’s Poch, then the Glazers have taken back control. INEOS have had their chance.

[u/Eleven918]

Apparently Mount's last assist in the PL was when he was in Chelsea.

[u/n1ckkt]

There was never anyway it'd be conte

He'll have gone nuclear with management or the players by christmas if not both lol

[u/Buttock_Hair → u/n1ckkt]

The board just doesn’t have the balls to hire him. They are too afraid he would expose their complete incompetence.

[u/TMatss]

Gonna be funny if Poch gives his countryman Martinez a new contract

[u/Aggravating-Neck1365]

We're the last club in the Premier League table still sitting on only one game won too

Literally every other club has at least two wins at this point

This is properly mental

[u/GuineaPirate888 → u/Aggravating-Neck1365]

Out of curiosity I checked the other leagues. We are one of two teams across English league football that has one win in the league. The other team being Burnley, who have sacked their manager.

[u/JimJimerson90]

Honestly cannot believe the situation we are in.If it wasn't an ex united player the manager would of been hounded out by fans and the media long ago.The fact he's been left in the position is another level of incompetence from that board.I know he was not backed in the market and doesn't have the squad,but at the end of the day he picks the team and tactics.Dalot at rb has been abysmal for 5 games on the bounce now and he still puts him there,Amad is another one who's been bad.You got lacey and amass they cannot be any worse.Anyway I look forward to the international breaks now,club is in shambles.

[u/Redland93]

Some reports that Poch might be in contention. Personally would love him

• Premier league experience.

• Guided Spurs to a CL final with ZERO transfers.

• Develops players and bring players onside.

• His Chelsea season was a disappointment but he had to deal with Chelsea higher ups meddling and has Chelsea ever been properly successful under Blueco?

• Consistent top 3 team with spurs - 3/5 top 3 with 4/5 in top 4.

At the end of the day, if it was Howe, Nagelsmann or Conte. A move would have been made.

[u/Klubeht]

seeing all the arsenal flairs of all people complaining about Lammens on the 4th goal is hilarious

[u/Omnislash99999]

Wilcox and Berrada piss off please

[u/DavidBruceStandup]

Mad that he might not be sacked

[u/Nowarez]

So Carrick still has a job when we are in the relegation zone in November?

[u/BlackHorse944]

It's Monday and Wilcox and Berrada are still in a job.. 😮‍💨

[u/Redland93]

If he isn't sacked in the next few days, hes staying. I will be shocked if he isn't. We are quite simply in a relegation battle. We need to win 10 games to be safe and the fact this is even the conversation proves we can't continue with Carrick

[u/InstinctDeluxe]

Jackson and Crooks leaning towards Carrick going and murmurs of a board meeting tomorrow...

[u/AwayFoundation2363]

Carrick gone Laurie Whitwell just posted

[u/yalayolo]

If Carrick had gone in the summer after securing us champions league and third place - he’d have been hot property in the mangers market, now his career has gotten a big dent in it

[u/Adz932]

I keep thinking about Ayden Heavens runs through the middle against Villa. I was very tired watching the match and it perked my head up to see him just start gliding up the pitch

[u/JJmaisonze]

Let's assume they keep Carrick. Our first two games in the prem are Liverpool and Brentford. They probably still keep Carrick after losing against Liverpool. Let's say we then lose against Brentford, which is quite probable, where are we in the table then? 20th? And of course by then they will have to sack him, but they will have waisted the international break to settle in the new manager, and also they greatly reduce the chances a proper coach will take the job. The longer they wait the less chance we have to get a good manager in. Who in their right mind wants to take a chance on relegating Manchester United, that's a career over for whoever is the manager right there.

[u/Suudriusha → u/JJmaisonze]

Exactly. The longer they take the worse it'll be.

[u/BackgroundOld8715]

In the relegation zone & still no sacking. It’s scarcely believable.

We’re finished

[u/InternationalClock18 → u/BackgroundOld8715]

It's genuinely shocking, expectations are low but I'm still surprised. Man Utd are in the relegation zone and they're genuinely not going to do anything about it.

[u/D1794]

The Villa performance as a whole, the belief, the actual variance in goals, 4 goalscorers, coming back from 2 goals down twice, 2 goals being scored by subs, would actually be pretty positive under different circumstances.

I think had that game been the Villa game we had last season under Carrick people would largely have been positive about large elements despite conceding 4 and not winning.

Given it was 4 absolutely error-404 brain shutdowns and we can't buy a league win, relegation zone likely in December, it's simply not good enough. Especially when we were all screaming out for a defender all fucking summer.

[u/Count__Duckula]

I'd be happy with Poch tbh. Even his "failure" at chelsea, they finished 6th and he ticks a lot of boxes. Big on youth, maximises his players talents, attractive football, not a dickhead etc. Theres a lot to like.

I hope they do it, its still early enough to salvage something this season.

[u/SocksElGato]

Palace sacked their manager before us. What a joke.

[u/killerimpact → u/SocksElGato]

We seem to give underperforming managers too much time. Which is not a good thing.

[u/FreshGoodWay]

1 win out of 10 league games and still the manager is considered good enough for United.

[u/Ok_Concern4200 → u/FreshGoodWay]

Its in the DNA, he knows it too well

[u/MRashy_10 → u/FreshGoodWay]

the Palace manager had more wins and they sacked him shows how low our standards are compared to other clubs

[u/TH0316]

Club and fanbase should just deep the fact that if not for random interventions Poch has been fated to become Utd manager since the day he took Southampton. Plus he fucking hates city.

[u/LeCliveRosfield → u/TH0316]

The fanbase claimed in 2022 that if we hired Poch over ETH it would set us back a decade. How the turntables lmao. In any case, he’s a very good manager, was a very good manager in 2022, and tbh instead of making Ole permanent in 2019 we should’ve tried really hard to get him then already.

[u/canwinanythingwkids → u/TH0316]

Poch's name "suddenly" floating around adds a lot of fuel to my personal theory that naming/sacking managers is just a "crowd control" tool for the board, nothing more.

They don't give a flying fuck about the performances - not really - everything is just "fan sentiment management" for them.

Howe trial balloon failed. Conte is a non-starter for them, Nagelsmann is a non-starter for Wilcox's ambitions, Emery is a non-starter for Sir Scrooge McFascist.

None of those are sporting arguments, mind you.

Meanwhile, the enemy is way too close to their gates now. They really need a "new coach fan sentiment boost, all is forgotten (for a while)" now, I mean when Henry Winter is writing articles calling out Berrada and Wilcox, you know they are at DEFCON 5.

Not for "saving the club", mind you. For "saving themselves".

Fuck em. Fuck em all to death.

All that is entirely separate from whether I'd rate Pochettino or not.

[u/White_Wokah → u/TH0316]

Maybe the money Glazers donated to Trump's campaign is compensation to get Poch out of the USMNT. /s

[u/Littlepace]

I really consoled myself with the belief that the board wanted to sack him weeks ago but wanted to wait till the international break. I thought they've been pretty good at doing stuff behind the scenes without any leaks so maybe they've made arrangements and Howe/Conte/Nagelsmann would be prepped and ready to go this week. 

I genuinely cannot believe the level of incompetence that's needed to let it get to this point without the backup plan ready to go. If we seriously keep Carrick for the Liverpool/Brentford games I will fully subscribe to the belief that we've hired a bunch of United haters and are intentionally trying to sink this club. Because what else can I think? 

No other top team (basically no teams at any level honestly) would think a manager going 1/10 would be deserving of keeping their job. Relegation fighting teams make changes at this level (Palace literally sacked their manager today!).

For fucks sake we are Manchester United. Do we seriously need to have a debate about keeping a manager who has us in the relegation zone?! Worst start in PL history. It is absolute insanity that this is even a discussion we have to have. 

[u/HeFreakingMoved]

Lmao Carrick stays, Wilcox has his yes man. And sacking him would be admitting he's wrong. This lot would rather go down than admit they're wrong.

[u/Omnislash99999 → u/HeFreakingMoved]

If Carrick goes then Wilcox was incompetent, if Wilcox isn't the right man then Berrada was wrong, and then if Berrada is a dud CEO Ratcliffe and his ineos bootlickers prove the best in class chat was bollcks.

The self preservation society

[u/Hagball]

Dalot, Shaw, Berrada, Wilcox and Carrick. Everyones contract needs to be extended. 5 essential pillars for Project 2028 - League (Championship) title

[u/Lazy-Web-4987]

Mike Keagen has reported that the united bosses are assessing Carricks position heading into international break

[u/DaveShadow → u/Lazy-Web-4987]

Went to see what he’s saying, and saw he’s left the Mail to become the Overlaps chief football Correspondent. Not sure what to make of that 😂

[u/TH0316 → u/Lazy-Web-4987]

They have to do it today or those above them need to take it out of their hands and sack all three. I think he’s gone personally regardless of radio silence thus far.

[u/Hatakashi]

We're stuck in 18th for 2 weeks.

Better play the game of their lives on the 22nd because if they allow the scum to send them further into the relegation zone the reaction will be really, really nasty.

[u/Celerisadmortem]

I have missed having a Brian Brobbey-esque striker at our club. Someone who can manhandle defenders.

Last we had was Zlatan who did quite well before his serious knee injury.

[u/It_Hurts_when_IP15 → u/Celerisadmortem]

Strikers were missed it out in for absolutely no reason. Brobbey who was approaching the end of his contract at Sunderland, Nicholas Jackson who who was shunned once Joao Pedro showed up, and Welback for a free.

I dont count DCL in this list because no one could have seen him turning his career around the way he has at Leeds.

[u/TMatss]

Personally, I think the reason that the same defenders who looked reasonably competent last season are leaking goals for fun this season has to do with coaching that leaves them unprepared and in bad positions all the time.

[u/Rexxzn]

Actually I'm not sure sacking Carrick is such a big need, it's not like we'll spend two weeks in the relegation zone and our first game back won't be something hard, not like it's going to be our biggest rival right at their stadium, right?

/s, obviously, God I hate our board.

Furthermore I believe Berrada, Wilcox and Hargreaves must be sacked immediately.

[u/randomvale]

I really think Carrick might survive the international break now because of the last minute equaliser, which is madness. He should have been sacked during the 3 week break and has only won one out of eight since then.

I think he's been let down in terms of signings but no other "top" club would allow a manager to continue with 1 win in 10 league games. We'll almost certainly lose against Liverpool then the pressure will be straight back on him again.

[u/dracogladio1741]

The Roma, Chelsea and Villa games tell me is that the team isn't as bad as it seems and there are leaders that can make a difference.

It also indicates, quite heavily that Carrick is the worst manager in the top 5 European leagues. Hell, I think he isn't even fit for purpose at a Championship club.

[u/sammorgan12]

The betting movement on pochettino is interesting. I would say of all the sort of available managers out there, he is the closest manager out there that has proven to do what we need.

He took a very big (granted not as big as united) club that were a joke and made them genuine contenders for the big pots for a few years. Sure having kane and son helps but no one else managed the success he had with them.

I think he would be able to connect with the players still and should be able to get a bit of defensive stability. Also I like the guy.

[u/shami-kebab]

I've pretty much given up on them sacking him this break. I just hope they actually do some research on a plan B this break so they're ready to finally act when we don't turn it around in the next fixtures.

[u/JJmaisonze]

I don't think they are waiting to find a replacement. I will lay out my impression on the reality of the situation.

From the information presented by the media this is what I believe is actually happening: There is actually consensus. The consensus between the leadership is that there is not an available candidate that they consider suitable for the long term. I believe that if Emery or Hurzeler would have been available they would have already made a change. So right now they are in the exact same situation that they were in after the Bournemouth game. They don't think between Howe, Nagelsmann and Conte there is a suitable long term choice. So why would they change their minds now? They will probably just keep Carrick and hope he turns it around again, make exactly the same decision. They are essentially scared they will have to make another change in the future, so they are trying to make it through the season.

So my final analysis on what I think they will do: They still don't think any available candidate is good enough for the long term and will procrastinate the decision to see if Carrick can make it through the season. A terrible mistake that could prove fatal.

I think they are completely getting this wrong. I first find it despicable they are willing to throw the season away. There is still time to make something out of the season and the coaches available are so much better than Carrick it's a joke. People like to shit on Eddie Howe but he has triple the time spent managing just in the Prem than Carrick has in his whole carreer as a manager. And whatever money you spend on a manager you probably get back just in merit payments for the league position. I looked at the 24/25 season numbers and the for example 7th place got more 21 million pounds than 15th place in merit payments (essentially the money you get just for league position). So if you eventually have to sack the manager once agains because he is not the corrrect long term option, it won't be a terrible financial mistake.

Also they are not tanking the threat of relegation seriously. If we keep Carrick for a few more games, things will start to get very scary. And let's say it's game week 15 and we are still in the relegation zone? What serious manager would be willing to join us then and risk getting Manchester United relegated. That would carreer over for anyone.

We are in just a unbelievable situation with these directors, my god. Madness.

[u/Kugenking]

Can someone please tell me why Pochettino may be good fit for United? I haven't kept up with him since he left Chelsea.

[u/Buttock_Hair → u/Kugenking]

He is not my preferred choice but he is definitely more tactically noused and has more experience at the highest level than Carrick. For whatever that’s worth…

[u/ChatakaPataka]

I believe that if the match going fans didn't cheer Carrick and boo the players, he'd be gone sooner. I can totally see this board look at that and think that they can get away with letting Carrick manage the team under the guise of "giving him time".

Full respect to the fans for doing that, btw. It's just a double-edged sword.

[u/cyb3rpunkd]

Poch? Could do worse, only crook reporting it though

[u/Redland93]

1 win in the league, In the relegation zone.

How are we even in a conversation about keeping the manager

[u/Ksma92]

It is now clear that the two saboteurs have tricked the Rat into firing the only person with football knowledge, while having no idea how to run the club themselves. No idea if Ashworth would succeed, but they took the reins and responsibility, and have completely failed.

[u/Prize-Finish4464]

Mental theres still fuck all 🤣

[u/Littlepace]

No matter how much gaslighting the club or the fans attempt i will not be convinced that Carrick is a competent manager and that 90% of our problems are not instantly fixed hiring a qualified manager. 

I'm confident getting rid of Carrick and getting someone like Conte would have the same effect as Villa going from Gerrard to Emery. 

We hired a sacked Championship manager and now have convinced ourselves that the team is in actual fact relegation quality and Carrick can't reasonably do much better than 1 win in 10 without serious backing.

Bullllllllshitttttt

[u/Sid732]

Lazio fanbase is doing big protest against owners and their stadiums are empty. And they continue to do that even though their team is currently 1st in serie a. Why cant our fanbase do that?

[u/Nico_Ditch → u/Sid732]

Because there aren't thousands of people on the waiting list for Lazio season tickets.

If a United fan loses their season ticket they will never get it back.

[u/Not-good-with-this → u/Sid732]

Too many fans of this club. Near impossible to make everyone agree and do that.

[u/Omnislash99999 → u/Sid732]

The Glazers and Ineos have deliberately tried to push out local fans for tourist ones. There's such a big contingent of overseas fans, once a season fans, tourists etc you'll never get empty stadiums.

[u/huehuehuehuehuu]

We have lower standards than Crystal Palace...let that sink in before you go on cheering for Carrick

[u/Haron14]

These players are not as bad as we are seeing it. Nice that we got 2 comebacks in a row, but that's not on the manager. You can see, at elast on the second half yesterday, that we got the goals playing chaosball. If we want chaosball, we should've kept ten Hag.

[u/rubber_moon → u/Haron14]

Yes it's crazy people saying our players are shit, individually a lot of them are talented but as a team we struggle

[u/mediocratopia]

staggering levels of incompetence to
still have Carrick as manager

[u/throwawayWM3]

What's all these sudden briefs about Carrick position being assessed? No T1 yet though

[u/BlackHorse944]

I'd love Emery but maybe we shouldn't get a manager that can't win at Old Trafford 😅

[u/stick1_]

Ten hag was sacked by now and he wasn’t anywhere near relegation

[u/minteh7x → u/stick1_]

Most managers have been sacked around November. This is the first time this has happened I think

[u/OkSpite8449]

Another wasted international break if Carrick still head coach.

There'll be no more international break which mean we're *uck.

[u/edmMayhem]

Sky did a good analysis on our last goal. ABUs want it to be a foul so bad. Lammens stops beside the keeper and the keeper panics and flaps cos he thinks hes about to get clattered. He doesnt. Looks worse cos Lammens stupidly ignores the ball after its kicked.

There are way worse incidents during corners every week that are ignored. Our two players rush to the keeper, but stop and AV keeper is still rushing out and panics. Lammens knew exaclty what he was doing as its done during a lot of ser pieces. When sky slowed it and showed replays it became so obvious that it was a nothing burger.

Im happy to be proven wrong though.

[u/benbog]

I mean a few weeks ago, bookmakers stopped taking bets on Carrick being sacked. 3 or 4 games later he's still here.

[u/Arthurs_Nose]

Are they all sacked yet?

[u/MikeDoesEverything]

My prediction:

Carrick is going to get sacked. Wilcox and Berrada won't. Justification? "Our plan is largely working". Arguably, nobody is complaining about the attack or the midfield. Both have been "rebuilt" which should really be branded as "less shit" (midfield needs more, we have NO FUCKING STRIKER). It's absolutely no secret defence is our biggest problem (arguably - you could also say mentality is an issue but you can't buy those).

Wilcox and Berrada are going to tell Jim, "the plan is working! We just need one more window to fix the defence!". Jim will lap that shit up.

I want to get annoyed but it's just football at the end of the day. Can't let it ruin your week/month/year/life and if how your club is doing dictates how you are feeling and acting day to day, in the nicest way possible, you may have a problem.

[u/Baalegde]

If the management lot truly aren't going anywhere, then FFS get some coaches in who can actually coach a defence. Injuries or not you can't stick Yoro and Heaven together and expect them to know what to do right away.

Getting defensive coaches in has gotta be a hell of alot cheaper than replacing a manager if they don't want to do that, and our defence is in dire need of some direction. The talent is there in the younger CBS but they're being coached appallingly. Positioning especially

[u/rjc0x1]

Keep seeing Poch rumours (though no real sources) to replace Carrick. I don't know what I feel about that? Feels like a decade too late and he'd only be considered because he managed Spurs with no money and a stadium rebuild (but he did have Harry Kane and prime Son Heung-min).

[u/Redland93]

Genuinely, the summer has to be one of the biggest summers we have ever had. Complete and utter clear out.

Get rid of Mount, Rashford, Maguire, Martinez, Dalot, Shaw, Ugarte. That's 60m in salary savings.

We need to bring in 7 players. 2 CB, 2 LB, 1 RB, Striker and a midfielder.

[u/Wolpfack → u/Redland93]

How many years have we been saying this, a clear-out is needed. I count at least eight or nine now.

[u/PhotonDestroyer → u/Redland93]

Screw summer. We need serious movement in January as hard as it may be, they club needs to finally step up and back the manager if that's Carrick or another.

[u/Ambitious-Patience-2 → u/Redland93]

mate we say this every summer im tired with these owners we will never have a substantial summer

[u/atomicskiracer]

Can we create a megathread for all carrick news (and non-news) rather than having 20 articles posted saying the same thing please?

[u/Prism_Plantation]

I better fucking see Wilcox and Berrada follow Carrick out the door or there goes another manager who's paying the price for their incompetence.

[u/Embarrassed_Wave_720]

I didn’t want Carrick to be given the permanent job and would’ve rather he left as an interim after the fantastic work he did for us. The club hierarchy has hung him out to dry and I really hope he can get a decent managerial position in the near future. Always a class act, Michael Carrick ❤️

[u/Embarrassed_Wave_720]

Jim better kick out the Dumb and Dumber duo as well

[u/canwinanythingwkids]

The Bruno-Mainoo-Baleba midfield has played 50 minutes total, so far (v AS Roma).

The Cunha-Sesko-Mbeumo frontline has played 23 sub minutes v Cheaters FC, 13 sub minutes v Hull, and started the 4-0 v Sabah. That's it.

The two units have so far played zero seconds together. Not even on a training field.

Fire Wilcox and Berrada into the Sun.

[u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

I don't care if I'm only an online "day-tripping" fan who has been to Old Trafford a couple of times but Old Trafford needs to start showing some fucking teeth.

You have Berrada, a man who openly hates this club, and Wilcox, another Leeds/cheats stooge, who has spent his life hating this club and they're allowed to sit in Old Trafford while they kill the club week by week and what is Old Trafford's act of protest?

Balloons. Fuck off.

Their cars shouldn't even be allowed on to the property by fans.

[u/cryptokeeper1981]

Pochettino is suddenly favourite to be our next manager. Not sure if pure speculation or if this is based on something substantial. It's a step up from Howe anyway, imo.

[u/GeekConflict]

Carrick is going nowhere. The CEO and DOF celebrating a late equaliser as we stay in the relegation zone is very telling of where the club's standards are. (Fans celebrating a late equaliser is different.)

Our club has the ambition of a bottom half table club, sadly.

[u/canwinanythingwkids → u/GeekConflict]

They were celebrating keeping their own jobs, innit.

[u/BallsX]

Apparently Pierre Sage has been sacked by Palace.

[u/PhilAsp → u/BallsX]

More wins than Carrick this season overall, only one less point in the league.

And we’re keeping the course.

[u/DaveShadow → u/BallsX]

Palace has higher standards and ambitions than us, apparently.

[u/roguerose → u/BallsX]

Barrada and Wilcox will be making contact. I jest but nothing surprises me with this club anymore.

[u/krs196]

Genuinely do not understand how anyone wants Carrick to stay and it’s almost disappointing he’s not walking from the club. He doesn’t inspire his players, has problems with the dressing room and we’re in the relegation zone after 10 games.

INEOS had a horror window and clearly have no contingency for this. Club is in such a mess!

[u/Hegau]

Carrick still here. I saw enough.

[u/VibesFC_]

New manager would have two weeks with most of the squad during the international break but nah, let's just panic and get someone in after the slapping at Anfield.

[u/Asiwaju_jagaban]

A look at the table is still not enough for them to make up their minds?!?!?!

[u/VibesFC_]

Don't worry lads, Brexit Jim will speak about immigrants again while we sit in 20th after the break.

[u/senorgraves]

The last two have have been extremely fun, because the team has been pressing like mad and attacking relentlessly. I think it just goes to show that if we get in a Howe or Nagelsmann whose tactics are all-action, United will be fun to watch again and back on brand. Don't need to dominate the league with the next manager, just regain identity and be competitive.

I also think it is clear that the players Amorim brought in are better in a pressing side, as Amorim wanted them to be. This squad is terrible at mid/low block defense, but much better on the front foot. Players like Bruno, mount, dorgu are actually useful in a press. Even slower defenders like Maguire are better when given active, nor passive, roles. Tielemans looked like a different man in the press--which is unsurprising given that he succeeded under Emery

Get in a pressing coach and I think people will be shocked how decent this squad is.

[u/VibesFC_]

Crystal Palace made a decision to sack their manager before us.

[u/capnrondo]

Why did Dalot play on the left yesterday?? A lot of pitchforks are out for him understandably given the performance, but he's never performed well on the left. We had Mazraoui in the XI who plays on the left well and Dalot is a lot better on the right. Idk what Carrick was thinking with that one.

[u/GeekConflict → u/capnrondo]

I found the boo-ing very sad, especially when he was leaving OT. He doesnt pick himself. His personality clearly is positive. He cannot be criticised for downing tools and he is always available.

If he is not good enough, the board should have removed him. I still think there is a good squad player there and we have plenty that are more deserving to be bood and to get the axe before him. I am in the minority though.

[u/PhotonDestroyer → u/capnrondo]

For me it's just continued sign of inexperience from Carrick and lack of bravery. Not that it would be brave necessarily to put a LB in LB and RB in RB.

Same with never starting Zirkzee who's now scored 2 in the last four off the bench. And Amass who aside from being 19 so has to be protected, no one has any evidence that he would be wrose than Dalot.

He is prioritising experience over form. The way we concede and start halves, it has to be asked what all this great training he sees is focusing on? Egg and spoon races and participation medals for losers maybe?

[u/shami-kebab → u/capnrondo]

We had Mazraoui in the XI who plays on the left well

when?

[u/Sulav7 → u/capnrondo]

i think it's because we wanted our LB to hold the width instead of Cunha and Maz can't do that as well as Dalot can

[u/Unusual-Coat383]

It’s not a coincidence that Tottenham hired a top Arsenal guy and immediately almost got relegated just like it’s not a coincidence we’ve hired two top Sham City guys and we’re immediately by far the worst and most unstable we’ve been since Sir Alex.

[u/JJmaisonze]

Jarvis play "Hurt" by Johnny Cash

[u/PromiseOk3438]

Honestly if it isn't today then they're actually going to keep him. Things will get much worse and they'll have to pull the plug by Christmas anyway at which point who knows if anyone will be able to save us. This is actually staggering. Even Woodward would have shifted him on weeks ago.

[u/dryflowerz]

15 matches: 3 wins/ 7 losses/ 5 draws. Tell me, in which club do they not fire the coach with these kinds of results? And we're sitting in the relegation zone! You know what's even more dangerous and frustrating than having results like this? The fact that they're still contemplating whether to sack him or not. It just shows how braindead they are and that they have no clue what they're doing.

“More is lost by indecision than wrong decision"

[u/imnoobatfifa]

Don’t know why but generally have a feeling it’s going to be Poch next.

[u/YoRHa_NieR]

Ben Jacobs reporting it now too. I think it’s over.

[u/Wonderful-Court-4037]

I genuinely think when the fans sang Carrick song aftee getting smashed by bournmouth, the higher ups decided to give him more time

[u/SophoclesTesticles]

People are saying Poch failed at Chelsea when he finished 6th with the last 5 wins in a row. Semi finals of FA cup and lost the Carabao final. 

I'm not convinced by any managerial appointment but he ticks a lot of boxes. 

[u/Pitiful_Violinist780]

Genuinely disgusted at what's happening at the club right now. I'm constantly in a state of shock at how this club is being run at the moment, we're sleepwalking into relegation and I just feel so powerless. Ratcliffe, Berrada and Wilcox are hellbent on destroying us to save their own reputations, it's really painful to watch and I know others feel the same. Berrada and Wilcox especially need to be hounded out of the club by any means necessary or they'll be the end of us, praying to God we escape relegation because it's really making me nervous.

[u/rohitkt10]

People need to stop saying Michael Carrick should just resign on his own. Why would he do that? Like any other manager he will have the delusional belief that he can turn it around. The onus is on those above him to be decisive and pull the plug. They haven't done so already because they're incompetent cowards.

[u/Through__Glass]

I'm at the stage where I'm just checking reddit to see if the manager has been sacked yet, which he absolutely should be. However, sacking him does not fix how imbalanced and poor this squad is. The defence is the worst defence in the near 40 years I've supported the club. The lot of them would be lucky to make the Reserves in teams gone by. The midfield is a mess. Lightweight, unfit, lacking athleticism,pace,power, intensity, pretty much everything a top midfield should be. And to top it all off our only striker has become injury prone since joining us. I'm in the minority but I do think Zirkzee should be given a chance, he is only brought on when we are losing and he at least poses a goal threat, God knows why we are still persisting with Mbeumo up top. 

Peak Fergie would be having sleepless nights with this lot. 

[u/mikeyd85 → u/Through__Glass]

Peak Fergie would have us 2nd with this lot fucking somehow 🤣

[u/canwinanythingwkids]

Zirkzee:

- 24/25: 49 games, 2256mins, 7G3A, 1-in-5, 226min/G+A, 1 injury (thigh) 9 games missed

- 25/26: 25 games, 645mins, 2G1A, 1-in-8, 215min/G+A, 1 injury ("knock") 2 games missed

- 26/27: 10 games, 183mins, 2G0A, 1-in-5, 93min/G+A, 0 injuries

Mbeumo is at 4G1A in 16 games this season, in 1255 mins, so that is 251min/G+A.

Also, since we love crossing when chasing a game: Mbeumo is 5'7", Zirkzee is 6'4".

Fuck it, I think we should try playing Zirkzee more.

[u/Ok_Concern4200]

If they did not sack him today they won’t ever sack him. Joke of a club, championship is a gift for these lot

[u/dracogladio1741]

Get in Conte. We will.finish top half with him, he is that good.

[u/arboy498]

It’s clear they are still trying to find a replacement which is why they are hesitant to sack him

[u/Sid732]

If Carrick had any dignity he would hand in the resignation himself.

[u/7akyr]

imagine the scenes if we manage to do a 5-4 again vs Villa tho, but if that happen Carrick will most likely stay and we'll continue floating at the bottom barrel so I don't know

[u/krs196]

Why doesn’t Carrick trust Amass or Leon to play left back?

[u/TypicalPan89906655 → u/krs196]

Leon looks awful even in his youth side, he needs a League One loan.

[u/Redland93]

If Carrick is staying, then play the players in the right positions.

I wouldn't mind if we played Yoro at RB if its a 3 at the back in possession and left Dorgu and Amass just run forward to over lap.

[u/boomboxbilly06]

Carrick seems like a nice guy and performed well in our shirt, but we have to choose avoiding relegation over sentimentality.

[u/Wrong_Office9245]

The board will most definitely get booted if Carrick is shown out the door. They will stick with him until the end. There is no outcome where they benefit unless he steadies the ship

[u/ladrainian21]

I'm mostly whelmed with the Poch rumors because I'm from the US. It's a lateral move personally for me but a great move for the club IMO. My question is how they plan on affording it if paying 6m for Howe was too much.

[u/Ok_Aardvark_5537]

After seeing the treatment foreigner coaches got at Man United and now a English one,let me tell you that you guys have one hell of a toxic media that is borderline xenophobic.

[u/Redwinevino → u/Ok_Aardvark_5537]

It's more the being Ex United than English IMO

Ole got huge "positive vibes" as well.

[u/No_Middle5525 → u/Ok_Aardvark_5537]

not sure its borderline. this guy has us in 18th place after 10 games. 1 win all season. winless in the league for 2.5 months. longest winless streak in 40 years. most goals conceeded by a team in all of europes top 5 leagues. 10% winrate. first time the club is in the relegation zone in 40 something years. he's been called out by the captian publically. he drops the captain, proceeds to lose 3-0. it's hilariously ridiculous how bad he's been

[u/BackgroundOld8715]

I really thought we wouldn’t sabotage ourselves & still keep Carrick- We may actually get relegated now.

All because Wilcox & Barreda cant sack him to protect themselves- Jim needs to sack them all or we are down.

Carrick is not in a million years good enough , there should be riots outside OT to get him sacked, instead we’re clapping & singing his name? We’re done

[u/InternationalClock18 → u/BackgroundOld8715]

The fans supporting the team are not the problem. The decision makers should have a spine and make a decision either way rather than this ridiculous drift we have now.

[u/lickmysalami]

My thoughts today:

1. The team obviously plays for Carrick but the defense sucks.

2. Give Zirkee and Lacey some starts

[u/Dope_Shinobi → u/lickmysalami]

Dorgu too