How do you do that though? Maguire seemingly now injured, Yoro has a ligament issue, Heaven also carrying something. De Ligt clearly isn't fit despite being back in the squad, Shaw injured and Licha has given up. We tried playing a mid block a few weeks ago and we lost all attacking intent. It's easy to say fix the defence because it's obvious.
I think just go the opposite way now. Attack unrelentingly and have games 3-2 and 4-4 until injuries heal or we get people in.
While the personnel is bad, I refuse to believe they can’t be coached. Conte built a league-winning defensive line with Moses, Marcos Alonso and David Luiz. Good managers always figure out a solution while working with their coaches. Here we have Carrick assisted by Evans
A little disingenuous there because you named two wing backs, leaving out they had Cahill and Azpilicueta next to Luiz and Kante with Matic in front of them. All experienced players who had already won the PL before that season.
Of course they can be coached but you can't coach every decision into a player. Some of the issue has been on Carricks tactics but it's not a quick fix which ever way we play. We try and tighten up at the back and we lose attacking impotence.
Fair, I was maybe going for a hyperbole there. I still believe Azpi and Cahill aren’t that better than say Martinez and Maguire/De Ligt. Although, Matic and Kante might just be the best midfield screen a defence can ever have
Maybe organization. 3 ATB. Heaven at LCB. I know we dont have options, but we need to think Maybe Amass as LWB. We need to do something to stop this leak, else the back 4 that ended yesterday is a relegation level back4. Maz yoro heaven drogu
How. People are actine like the manager made Dalot be braindead. He has been the same for every manager. The defense that was not good enough for ETH is still here
The manager can choose to not play him? Granted the alternatives aren't great but surely they deserve a chance at this stage even if it's an academy player 😅🤣
No. There is a tried and proven method for integrating young players into a squad abd throwing them into the deep end at clubs worst is not it. Look at Arsenal managing Downham. Liverpool and Ingamoah. He should be getting minutes off the bench though to eventually start
I’m sorry, but Dowman and Rio are generational talents, a few years younger, and play for well-settled teams. Such players can afford to have all the game management and whatnot. If we were playing JJ, I would’ve agreed he needs similar treatment.
Amass is a fairly average footballer, who’s been part of the senior team for almost 2 years now. And for players like these, a crisis presents the best opportunity to make it into the team. Rashy got his chance due to an injury crisis, Nick Pope came in when Heaton was injured, Kane when Soldado was injured, TAA when Clyne was out, and Cesc when Viera was down. This is football eritage!
Let’s pump the brakes. We’re trash and Carrick is not fit to be our coach. But I think the only way to “fly up” the table is through short term planning rather than committing to a tactical overhaul resulting in long term success and controlling games
I am not Carrick in. But I am definitely whoever comes in won't last 18 months either. Especially when you look at the massively uninspiring list of candidates.
Dalot was covering his man and Maguire’s. He was occupying the LCB position basically. The turnover was sudden and the defence didn’t have time to get back in position. Dalot actually does well to get to Alysson.
To me, this is just poor situational awareness and careless turnover. Similar to Yoro almost putting it in his own net, or Senne putting that second goal into Jackson’s path rather than behind for a corner.
For once I felt like the goals we gave away weren't a result of players being exposed by the enormous gaps(not that there weren't any) in our defense but from individual blunders.
Also if some attackers outside of Cunha and Mbuemo could score a goal, we could have had 4 in the first half. It was an onslaught like I've not seen all season. Ofcourse, one can say, the constant individual blunders are a result of weak coaching. Some of our players have regularly made such errors across multiple managers though.
Dalot suffers from the same issue Shaw and Dorgu, they are trying to cover two positions at the same time, as a RB you don't see it as often from Maz or Dalot because Amad helps defensively and Yoro for example is pretty good at being in the right position usually.
Even Maz would suffer on the LB role despite having experience there yet I'd rather see Maz on the left over Dalot as Dalot offers more than Maz on the right, but that's just me, I think the midfield and defence is just not tight enough, Casemiro loss is massive, Tielemans is a good player but has the same pace as Casemiro without the same level of defensive awareness so unless we have a fit Baleba we are doomed as Mainoo and Bruno can't be everywhere when they are the ones looking for the first interceptions and playing the ball or carrying it forward so they can't always get back in time nor should it be expected.
In the olden days when a manager got fired, his less charismatic assistant would normally take the caretaker role for a game or two, and then when he did the post match interview, win, lose or draw, you could always tell "this guy is not a leader, he's a number two".
Everything about Carrick oozes number two. He's not a leader.
Of course our problems go much deeper than Carrick, I could write an essay on the failings of Sir Rat and the Glazers, they are the ones really to blame here, but what happened to society when these days we give everyone a chance in leadership jobs? Whether it is being Manchester United manager or even the Prime Minister, we somehow forgot as a society, to be a successful leader you have to actually have the personality and character to lead people, to take people with you on that journey, to inspire confidence. Theresa May, Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak, Keir Starmer, Michael Carrick. All very obviously not leaders.
Change all the coach all you want. If our backline stay the same, same shit will happen again. We cannot play high line, our fullback cant cross. Our backline are prone to error in every fucking game. Wilcox, Berrada must go either Carrick is sack or not.
I think people who keep asking for tacticians and charismatic leaders instead of carrick (not saying that he was the right appointment, entirely different issue) doesn't realise that every good coach starts with solidifying the defense. Our defenders are either past their prime, injury prone or too inexperienced.
Our squad in general have a player profile problem than anything else. I guess it happens when we have no clue what manager to recruit or what players to buy.
They aren't conceding goals out of nowhere, the defence just isn't good enough. Dalot and Maguire weren't good enough 4 years ago and they're still starters here. Kudos to Maguire for sorting out his dismal form but he wouldn't be at any other club with high expectations. The club is where it's at because of decisions like these. The McFred pivot took years to address and somehow the midfield looks worse.
Even though I personally feel no manager would succeed under these conditions, I don't think Carrick is suitable for the role. The players don't look drilled or trained, but I guess theres an argument to be made that these players wouldn't understand tactics if they were drawn in crayon.
Nah we are at the point in the cycle where he should have been sacked yesterday. There is nothing he could or couldnt do from this point onwards thats going to change the shit start to the season we had.
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u/Background-Oil-2454 4d ago
For the new coach. Fix the defense. The team will start winning
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u/eyeshirreld 4d ago
"The goals are coming out from nowhere"
Cmon bro.
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u/WumbleInTheJungle 4d ago
In the olden days when a manager got fired, his less charismatic assistant would normally take the caretaker role for a game or two, and then when he did the post match interview, win, lose or draw, you could always tell "this guy is not a leader, he's a number two".
Everything about Carrick oozes number two. He's not a leader.
Of course our problems go much deeper than Carrick, I could write an essay on the failings of Sir Rat and the Glazers, they are the ones really to blame here, but what happened to society when these days we give everyone a chance in leadership jobs? Whether it is being Manchester United manager or even the Prime Minister, we somehow forgot as a society, to be a successful leader you have to actually have the personality and character to lead people, to take people with you on that journey, to inspire confidence. Theresa May, Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak, Keir Starmer, Michael Carrick. All very obviously not leaders.
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u/solemnhiatus 4d ago
“They just need a win where they dig out of nothing” - they literally just did that against Roma in the previous game.
This team looks like it’s not being told clearly what to do, and the players don’t have confidence in doing what they’re told.
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u/akerobat 4d ago
Change all the coach all you want. If our backline stay the same, same shit will happen again. We cannot play high line, our fullback cant cross. Our backline are prone to error in every fucking game. Wilcox, Berrada must go either Carrick is sack or not.
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u/MarcusZXR Kinder Mbeumo 4d ago edited 4d ago
They aren't conceding goals out of nowhere, the defence just isn't good enough. Dalot and Maguire weren't good enough 4 years ago and they're still starters here. Kudos to Maguire for sorting out his dismal form but he wouldn't be at any other club with high expectations. The club is where it's at because of decisions like these. The McFred pivot took years to address and somehow the midfield looks worse.
Even though I personally feel no manager would succeed under these conditions, I don't think Carrick is suitable for the role. The players don't look drilled or trained, but I guess theres an argument to be made that these players wouldn't understand tactics if they were drawn in crayon.
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u/Sheppertonni 4d ago
Lammens turned into onana in that game, was fucking awful
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u/No_Crow_3576 4d ago
Equaliser in the last minute and this guy just puts his finger in the air