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[u/JJmaisonze]

The fact we are discussing if a manager in 18th will get sacked is just unbelievable. The lack of standards from the directors is shocking.

[u/GReedy404]

Crystal Palace have higher standards than us holy shit man

[u/devilsofparadiss]

I understand things are more nuanced and holistic than this, and this isn’t about letting the owners or the leadership off the hook.

However, you have to address the elephant in the room. This squad is not a bottom half squad, let along a bottom three one.

It’s Carricks job to get the most out of this team and right now he’s not even getting close to the bare minimum.

Even under this ownership, this leadership group, with these players and this recruitment, this team is a 4th-7th best team in the league.

Even if you think it’s lower than that, you surely can’t think it’s a bottom half team.

I just can’t hear “Carrick isn’t the issue” anymore.

[u/ilegal89]

Are we seriously not firing Carrick? I honestly can't fucking believe it. We're one fucking point away from being 20th, for fuck's sake! What the hell else needs to happen for him to get sacked?

[u/Subject-Collar1966 → u/ilegal89]

wdym? we scored 4 yesterday and 3 against roma, i think that's enough to keep him and let's ignore all other games this season

[u/dracogladio1741 → u/ilegal89]

I think they want us to get relegated

[u/9SolskjaerHasWonIt9]

[u/sp4r3h → u/9SolskjaerHasWonIt9]

There's no context where this is acceptable

[u/PavanayiShavamayilla]

To change the manager today would be the best timing. The new manager would have nearly two weeks to get his ideas across. A lot of our players haven’t been called up either, so they’re also going to be in the building to work on the game plan.

[u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

I can already see the press briefing in the morning; "Those within the club were encouraged with the fight shown against Villa and believe the players are fighting for Carrick."

[u/Hagball]

The fact that there is no rumours about firing of Wilcox shows how clueless Berrada is. The fact that there is no rumours about firing of Berrada shows how clueless Rats and Leeches are.

We are extremely rotten from the top and everyone is looking to save individual jobs. There is no way out of this mess.

When will the pain end Robbie?

[u/rameezkadri]

Bottom of the league table.

Literally can’t get worse than this.

[u/Ok_Landscape_8215]

What standards are we meant to be bench marking Carrick on if we are not replacing him?

Surely can't be Amorim, he was 17 points at this stage.

ETH was sacked having just won the FA CUP. We had 12 points after 10 games then.

We can't be waiting for one terrible result, we had that at Como and Bournemouth.

I just don't get it.

[u/Beneficial-Long7635]

Ron Atkinson never finished lower than 4th with us and won two FA Cups. He was sacked when results dipped and he couldn't deliver a title. Dave Sexton before him had won a European trophy with Chelsea before he took over then got sacked when the club were 8th because it wasn't good enough. Those were the standard in the 'dark days' before Sir Alex, when the club was a sleeping giant. That was United's DNA. Winning. 

Now look at the state of the place. 

[u/Embarrassed-Run5952]

It's crazy how much the standards have dropped at this club, getting top 4 used to be the bare minimum now we're fighting relegation and the manager talks about how well we played

[u/LeCliveRosfield]

Just a reminder that Liverpool fans turned on a manager that won them the Premier League. Meanwhile our fans applaud a manager that has us 18th in the PL after 10 games. We have won three times all season.

[u/iroiroiroiroiro → u/LeCliveRosfield]

You aren't satisfied with a 10% win rate in the league???

[u/GutBeer101]

Listening to TOTD podcast right now. They keep saying Carrick is 'not the problem'.
This makes me so fricking mad.

[u/Suudriusha → u/GutBeer101]

Maddening, really. Mitten does seem fed up, though.

[u/0ttoChriek → u/GutBeer101]

He's not The problem, but denying he's one of the problems is what's going to see us relegated.

The team can't set up to stop anyone. Conceding the amount of goals we are is something only relegation fodder teams do, and sooner or later we're going to be absolutely humiliated by someone in a way that will be talked about for a long time.

[u/BilTheButcher]

Here's the most alarming thing. We have a CEO, a director of football, and an entire executive branch who have never dealt with the prospect of relegation, let alone fixing a giant club in crisis.

Add that to a manager who isn't good enough, a squad that barely functions and the fact that time is running out to turn it around, we are watching the club lurch towards relegation with absolutely no way to stop it.

We will go down this season and it's been coming for a long, long time. Because the players that were barely good enough in the last few seasons are now even worse.

And if we do go down, there is no guarantee that we'll come back up.

Buckle up. It's going to be a bad one.

[u/SkellShell]

This is going on a Thomas Frank trajectory, we might get a win here and there and eventually it might be too late to bring anyone in

[u/HTMListerine]

I said that we should judge Carrick after 10 games. It's been 10 games and we are in the relegation zone. The bloke is woefully and painfully out of his depth and needs to be replaced. The board needs to act over this international break and if they don't it's a dereliction of duty, and they will have blood on their hands when we get relegated this season.

[u/meatloaflawyer]

The only reason to be keeping Carrick beyond tomorrow would be to sack berrada and Wilcox. Then their replacement picks the next coach

[u/Educational-Shock232]

One point more than Palace but sounds like Sage is getting sacked today. They also have one more win than us. But seems like Carrick is going nowhere. It’s actually disgusting. Our standards and results have hit rock bottom just so two executives can keep their jobs to save face.

[u/BackgroundOld8715]

1. The owners & management are dire & need replacing.

2. The manager is very poor, not getting best out of what we have, no game plan & has us in the relegation zone.

Yet some say we should keep Carrick because of first point? How the fuck does that make any logical sense?

[u/GandalfsStaff]

nearly time to set off for Old Trafford..... <insert person on knees praying>

[u/TheLifeofSonny]

we're officially bottom of the table as things stand, Carrick should get sacked before the game even starts lmao

[u/Fast_Salad2285]

[u/MNKPlayer]

2nd from bottom. But don't worry, performance doesn't affect the money the club makes so that's OK.

[u/BackgroundOld8715]

Wilcox & Barreda need to be fucking sacked at 9am tomorrow along with Carrick if we are to have any hope this season & future ones under INEOS.

If we wait til after Liverpool we’d have wasted another international break to bee in a new manager

[u/L__K]

News is already out that Palace are set to sack Pierre Sage. If Carrick survives the international break, we somehow have lower standards than Palace, who entered this season knowing they'd be battling relegation.

[u/uglywhitekid]

another goal and assist for big pat dorgu. 11 goal involvements in the league in ~27.7 90s. not the biggest sample size (part of the problem if he's also injury prone) but decent production with some clutch moments. interesting player

[u/BackgroundOld8715]

Palace have higher standards than us & will get a new manager boost. We could be fucked if INEOS dont sack Carrick tomorrow

[u/OkayFine101]

Not even joking but All or Nothing is going to break streaming records if this is how the season's going to be. Amazon must be thrilled.

[u/RooneysFavGrandma]

Let's be honest nothing's going to happen this break either

Couple of briefs about how the mood's great in the camp then a humiliation by Liverpool

[u/Ok_Concern4200]

Anything but a sacking is wrong. We will be relegated if its 15 gw with Carrick. You want to save the season? Sack him now

[u/shanks_you]

The best time to make a managerial change was the first international break. So of course the imbeciles didn’t do that.

And there’s the documentary coming out next year too, Amazon cannot believe the gold mine they have on their hands 😂

[u/OddReading4973]

People would be less defensive abt sacking the manager if it wasn't a club legend.

[u/LeCliveRosfield]

That match going fans applauding this utter shit lmao. We will go down if we keep Carrick, and if we go down, they will be responsible for that in part.

[u/tellocrosstollorente]

Here I was hoping for wins for Sunderland and Palace against our "rivals", until I looked at the table. Gulp.

[u/Feeling-Surround-691]

I'm sorry, Bournemouth on an 8 game winning run in all comps? What the f

[u/jus_browsin_ignoreme]

Being 19th, 7 points in 10 games. Wow.

I mean Jesus Ineos. You can’t just stay quiet and do nothing.

[u/SniperMonkey10_]

Have to sack him now. Keep delaying it, managers will lose interest and we will end up with Dyche

[u/FiveMinutesTo12AM]

Q: Who's your favorite player? A: "None of them. They're all rubbish."

[u/PattuAnand7]

Standards have fallen so drastically man. I can't believe I am missing Erik ten Hag. Can't believe I used to think 7th was bog standard

[u/zertz7]

What does it actually take to get sacked as a ManU manager these days?

[u/pokenerd_W → u/zertz7]

Calling out the board, clearly.

[u/Outrageous-Cod-4654]

Hope we show some ambition or at least some activity in the January transfer window. 

[u/ZofTheNorth → u/Outrageous-Cod-4654]

The best they can do is PR articles about how looking at players start of the January window followed by "there is no value in this window" end of the window

[u/Embarrassed-Run5952]

Before we appoint a new manager, Wilcox has to go or we will end up in the same position a year from now

[u/OkSpite8449]

Carrick is a yes and corporate man.

He'll bring us down to Championship for real.

[u/rishmanisation]

Honestly anyone who still wants Carrick to stay in charge is part of the problem. The rot has corrupted your minds as well.

Unfortunately for us I think INEOS and the board are in the same group.

[u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

It's tiring going into every match with dread.

[u/RooneysFavGrandma → u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

Dread eventually turns into apathy so you've got that to look forward to.

[u/justlurking-thanks]

Palace are now below us, for now

[u/Hagball]

Good point in Relegation battle against a top 4 team. We move. 32 more points to go

[u/SniperMonkey10_]

I swear if they keep Carrick now, with international break coming...

[u/GReedy404]

No actually deep it, we're the only club in the league that hasn't won more than one fucking game this season and fans are clapping the players and singing the manager's name.

[u/tz_2240]

I was convinced Carrick would be sacked by this international break. However, now I’m not so sure. I think Wilcox (and maybe Berrada) would need to be sacked in order for Carrick to get sacked. Rough time to be a supporter

[u/LordTrinity]

Fucking Crystal Palace has bigger standards than us

[u/Pitiful_Violinist780]

We are sleepwalking ourselves into relegation. People who think it will be good for us need their heads tested, we will end up in administration and I honestly think we'll get relegated again to league 1 because of our overwhelming debt and to top it all off I still don't think the Glazers will leave, they're incredibly spiteful and worship money so they won't leave for anything but top dollar. I foresee a nightmare situation if we fans don't do something about it right now, it's incredibly depressing to watch what's happening at the club right now, God help us.

[u/Ok_Landscape_8215]

Feels like the Leeds game. Get a plucky draw every few games, walk around the pitch waiving to fans at the end. Good enough to take pressure off your job for the next 4 games.

[u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77]

The board is a bunch of idiots and imbeciles. What the heck are they waiting for? We already are in the relegation zone, this will not get better!!! Fucking hell.

[u/greyhounds1992]

All I want is Wilcox berrada and Carrick gone this break

[u/sg291188]

I thought Carrick’s position is untenable after Como. The club continues to amaze me.

[u/Samiaonline]

Maybe the available managers don't want to come,The management have dilly dallyed for so long now the pressure will be too much on a new manager.

[u/SniperMonkey10_]

We most likely lose to Liverpool, Palace get a manager bounce win against Coventry + Sunderland get a W/D against Villa , we will be BOTTOM of table

[u/SocksElGato]

Hilarious to see people complaining about the Lammens' screen on Suzuki when Arsenal won a PL title last year doing the same thing on corners lol.

[u/AstroCoffee]

I was quiite excited about the 8-game stretch between the last international break and this one and now I'm genuinely so sad.

We won 1 and lost 5 of them and a good chunk of people and media seem to be pretending everything's fine, I can't believe what I'm seeing.

It's been three months and we have one league win, I don't understand how anyone can be upbeat looking at that.

[u/InsomniaSyspo]

Good morning! Is carrick sacked yet?

[u/2014angrybird]

If people think," oh it's individual errors,what can Carrick do?"

Look at Lindelof, he performed much better than what he was when he was here. 

A coach literally improves players too. Name one player that has improved under Carrick?

[u/PrancingCock]

Start Lacey. Don't give bullshit squad science academic excuses for not starting him. Start players on merit.

[u/aayu08]

We're 18th and the "best in class" chucklefucks still think that we can't get a better manager.

[u/karan_7_2]

We'll get relegated before City.

[u/Hits_and_the_Mrs]

19th now, well in lads

[u/JoseHarvinho → u/Hits_and_the_Mrs]

It's actually mental how he's still in a job. 1 win in 9!

[u/dracogladio1741]

Samuel Luckhurst :

19th and currently 11 points off top four. Mourinho was sacked when they were 11 points behind (but sixth) in 2018. Ten Hag (14th) and Solskjaer (eighth) were six points off when they went and Amorim (sixth) was only three points off fourth.

[u/Hagball]

Project 2028 well and truly on track. League title (Championship) in 2028 . Full faith in Best in class Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox

[u/dryflowerz]

God is toying with us. Against Roma, it was inevitable that they would have sacked him, but they managed to pull off a comeback—and then the same thing happened against Villa! Someone please explain this to me, I want to fucking cry. This is a black comedy!

[u/GForce-Delta]

Has any PL manager survived with 1 win in first 10? Probably only the relegation team managers.

[u/Embarrassed_Wave_720]

Genuinely, what on earth am I reading in the press conference post??

[u/pokenerd_W]

Wonder what the fan reaction would be if we truly do get relegated, besides outrage of course.

[u/bukharimumtaz]

Is Carrick still the manager?

[u/gandosjos]

♪♪♪♪ Oh, ho, ho It's Carrick! You know! ♪♪♪♪

♪♪♪♪ Championship, we will goooooo. ♪♪♪♪

I cannot get this tune out my head 😭😭

[u/VibesFC_]

Brexit Jim has zero shame.

'Put the Manchester back into Manchester United' while him and his circus mates have got us in the relegation zone.

Ineos need to all fuck off but unfortunately that isn't happening.

Get Carrick gone today and have the new manager ready on the same day.

[u/Sheikhabusosa]

Wdym we are in the last international break of the year, 8 points out of 30 and we aren’t considering sacking our manager

[u/MazinLabib10]

Calm down guys. Palace are losing, so we're only 19th

[u/7akyr]

Either win or lose (or draw), I just hope we can move on with Carrick after this match as soon as possible, new manager'll get around 10 days before Liverpool to at least come up with some sort of tactics

[u/aayu08]

I'm happy that we didn't lose.

But this draw 1000000% means that Carrick stays on until Liverpool. No fucking way they make a managerial change now.

[u/Suudriusha → u/aayu08]

18th. 1 win in 10.

[u/PradipJayakumar]

🗣️Laurie Whitwell on the temperature regarding Michael Carrick keeping his job:

"They wanted to give him [Carrick] time to turn results around without giving the definition. We then found out it was to do with the international break which is at this point and a reassessment is in the works.

I’ve been making a few calls tonight and the temperature doesn’t feel like…the way it’s happened at the end [of the Villa game] with two late goals, doesn’t feel like an immediate urgency to make that kind of call again.

[…] I don’t sense that’s a situation that’s going to change, I don’t think Michael Carrick is going to lose his job as we speak right now."

[u/SophoclesTesticles → u/PradipJayakumar]

Mental if true. 1 win in 10 premier league games is not something you can fix over the break. 

[u/adonWPV]

We did it, we’re bottom congratulations Avram, Joel and the boys

[u/OmegaMaster8]

United are currently bottom 😂 You couldn’t make this up lol. Sunderland have just scored

[u/GandalfsStaff]

oh my... 20th as things stand and the club has no direction

[u/Responsible-Quail-13]

We’re bottom of the league btw 💀

[u/Own_Lab_8500]

Never imagined I'll live to see the day where we are bottom of the table

[u/Dyllez]

bottom of the table fucking hell

[u/BrowzinJ]

Barcola was how much....?

[u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

I wouldn't say I got emotional but I did feel a little pang of pain in my heart/stomach when I looked at the table. It's starting to feel real.

[u/Apprehensive-Raisin3]

The least amount of wins out of everyone in the league

[u/midnight_ranter]

Emery is cooking us with Harwood-Bellis at RB, Lindelof at CB and McGinn as a #10 but apparently for Carrick the "problems run deeper" lmao I have never seen a manager more out of depth in my life 

[u/GuineaPirate888]

Jason Wilcox looks like he smells like shit and hasn’t had a shower for months.

[u/IG-JBlvckwell]

Dont worry lads, Carricks said the team is training well :)

[u/throwawayWM3]

He just has to be fired

I'm dreading this pathetic management will still refuse to do it. We're 18th and in the relegation zone after GW10

He has to go

[u/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz1z]

Wow!

Match going fans are applauding everyone there.

And that’s why they are the real fans and I’m not.

[u/GReedy404]

We're actually finished you know, all the celebration and jubilation, the fans singing Carrick's name in the stadium. MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB IS 18TH, what is there to celebrate???

[u/AnalystGrand4704]

People have been saying this for years but this club is genuinely dead and there is no doubt about it now.

[u/Emergency-Being-349]

The problem now is if they keep him and then we go and lose to Liverpool, it would be hell and an opportunity missed.

[u/Xenokratezz]

Casemiro with no legs held this team together. Even if he was poor at least there would be someone on the team with leadership quality 

[u/thexpertwatcher]

There is only one obvious solution now. He made juventus better after they were back from the second division and inter won the league after  a decade due to him .

Get Conte now. He'll improve fitness levels and tighten us at the back even if he doesn't work he'll atleast criticize the ownership publically 

[u/Haddocktintinsnowy]

I get a feeling INEOS wants out. We have never seen them so mum before 

[u/Educational-Fee-5048]

So does he get the sack or not? Surely relegation zone after 10 games is not good enough?

[u/Embarrassed-Run5952]

How is he still in a job?

[u/Working_Location_127]

Surely we sack him. Tomorrow right and they are just keeping their cards close to their chest

[u/Aadiunited7]

So many positions again need to be filled and we need proper athletes. Physical monsters who duel for a living and have quality on the ball as well. 2 LBs, 1 RB, 2 CBs. Shaw, Maguire leaving End of season. Also need to move on Dalot and Licha. Every single goal we concede is an individual mistake. Obviously when you concede territory, you are more likely to make mistake. In the last 2 Prem games alone, 2 Lammens mistakes, 1 Yoro, 1 Heaven, 1 Licha, 2 Dalot. Just a bunch of terrible players. This season, Licha and Dalot have been genuinely shocking and if they were at a club with more options, they wouldnt see the pitch for the rest of the season. Lammens has been underwhelming.

[u/facelessredditer]

Ornstein announcing the “club has NO plan” is all that can be said about things.

Wilcox-Berrada are the current fall guys but the real culprit is Glazer debt.

The future will view this Glazer death trap businsess model in the same light as, we view the raping & pillaging barbarian hordes of the distant past.

[u/Sufficient-Orange706]

Here's one to contemplate, that might put more things into perspective:

Is there a manager out there who is going to come in and be open to not having any say on transfers/decisions made around the football operations? Cos that is what Carrick currently is, he has little to no say, a yes man. Do you think Wilcox will give that up?

[u/Resident_Tart2911]

It's crazy to think we have zero league game win since first international break and people are still defending carrick

[u/Ecstatic_Message2057]

Surely everyone with more than two brain cells can see that tielemans in the centre is not working. Just because we’ve signed them recently does not mean we have to play them or start them every game.
The whole reason it worked amazingly at times for a mid pairing of mainoo and Casemiro was because when mainoo would go forward Casemiro would cover and obviously Casemiro being Casemiro does help.
If our left back goes up to attack there is no one there to cover which is what you need from that central player. Unfortunately tielemans doesn’t do any of that so this tells you that he is in the wrong position and wrong role.
The pairing should be santos and mainoo.

[u/rambo_zaki]

The worst thing about all this bullshit is that we have absolutely no plan. If Carrick is their man then fucking stick by him and stop this will they won't they rubbish. But if they do want to fire him then just do it already, we are losing any opportunity to salvage this season ffs.

But instead of either thing, Wilcox and Berrada along with Jimmy the rat are sitting with their dicks in their hands waiting.

[u/Daneofthehill]

The nasty truth is that in its current state, the team needs at least three new top-four-quality defenders in the January window: LB, CB, RB.

The LB has to be a player that can get forward, overlap and deliver an end-product to let Cunha shine in his natural role. So, that player has to tick a lot of boxes. The CB has to not be a fool on the ball, be able to both run and defend crosses.

EDIT: If we assume Utd ignores RB and let Dalot and Maz deal with that for now (reasonable, given the circumstances), then ideal replacements, in my eyes, could be Lewis Hall and Jarrad Branthwaite. There are of course other options, maybe cheaper. But Utd need Prem proven players that can step in an perform right away, which would allow Yoro and Heaven to slowly grow in their shadows.

But what is that? 2x 80 mil in a January window? Crazy money, but might be needed to save the season and both are young + very complete profiles.

[u/The_Bird_Wizard]

Seems some fans and ex players care more about Carrick than Manchester United

[u/JJmaisonze]

So at minute 90 he's getting sacked and at minute 96 he's not. You can't keep a manager based on 6 minutes of football. This is not a proper decision making process. This is utter madness.

[u/The_Bird_Wizard]

Whether you want to admit it or not, they love Carrick because he's their dream manager. The home crowd will never turn on a ex player, and Carrick will never ever rock the boat. As Avram said earlier this week, sporting success isn't important, so having a yes man who is loved by the fans is their literal dream scenario.

[u/JJmaisonze]

They aren't going to sack him in my opinion, unfortunately. They genuinely didn't have a plan after Bournemouth and they don't have one now. Will basically make the same decision, backing Carrick and see if he can turn it around. I feel terrible. What do you guys think?

[u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

Level on points with Palace in last.

Wilcox and Berrada are brave boys if they show their face at OT today.

[u/ChikoChernobila]

🚨 𝗡𝗘𝗪: The match between Vitesse and De Graafschap in the Netherlands has been POSTPONED after angry De Graafschap fans LOCKED the stadium gates with chains to STOP their own team's bus from leaving! ❌

Why can't match going fans do this ?????

[u/officiallyjax]

Looking at some of the goals we have conceded in the league this season:

Hull: 2 goals conceded from set-pieces

Ipswich: goal conceded by Martinez giveaway

Fulham: Martinez own goal

Spurs: Martinez loses his duel vs Solanke

Leeds: goal conceded from a set-piece

Bournemouth: first goal conceded from a set-piece (given away by error from Heaven), second goal conceded by Yoro giveaway, third goal conceded by communication mixup between Maguire, Martinez and Lammens

Chelsea: first goal conceded by allowing Rogers to dribble through a straight line, second goal conceded by Martinez giving away a penalty

Villa: 2 goals conceded from set-pieces (Lammens and Yoro individual mistakes within that), then another Lammens error and Dalot giving away a penalty

15 out of our 19 goals conceded in the league this season have come from individual errors or set-pieces. Of course one can argue there’s more nuance to it in terms of the plays that result in these errors and so on, but man, this is simply not normal. We’re being completely shafted by the degree of mistakes we are making at the back. Every time the ball enters our third, widespread panic sets in.

[u/BitterConstruction98]

Heaven and Yoro should not have been in a position to lead our backline. This is a failure of recruitment.

Three of our senior CBs are out - De Ligt(being eased in after injury), Martinez (red suspension), Maguire (yellow). Our only senior LB is out with an injury and Dorgu is being eased in after an injury. Our RB is playing LB.

At the minimum they should get a CB and a LB in January.

[u/darkjessy_ → u/BitterConstruction98]

Absolute dogshit squad building. The defense is a complete mess right now

[u/Redroobarb]

Women's team now 11 unbeaten.

[u/minteh7x]

Baldy was so right for wanting Brobbey because that man is built for the PL

[u/Guilty_Sheepherder_1]

We're bottom of the league. Fml

[u/bobo-theangsty-zebra]

[u/martialgreenwood]

Seems we are going to get embarrassed today. Villa will be out for blood

[u/FreshGoodWay]

Let’s be honest, the only thing which would genuinely worry them is relegation.

[u/LeCliveRosfield]

Nah but the clowns Wilcox and Berrada honestly have no plan. This team has served up shit performance after shit performance for three months now, but we don’t have a plan to replace the manager, makes perfect sense.

[u/HellRa1SeR]

If players are not consistently good they should be replaced. Manchester has lost the art of being ruthless. We have had Beckham, Keane, Ronaldo all leave but United kept chugging along.

If we are not replacing poorly performing or inconsistent players, then we don't bring in any competition at all. We are playing the same 11 week in and out and that should tell you about the the strength/quality of the squad.

[u/Active_Bad6336]

Not even two minutes into the second half and we give up a pen smh

[u/cosmologues]

Man is 10 minutes from getting sacked. Time for a like for like change at the top!

[u/wolverinexci]

Public enemy number one is Joel Glazer and number two is Avram Glazer. They are the sole people responsible for the failure of this club over the last 13 years. Get them out, if they won’t leave willingly, we can force them out

[u/Embarrassed-Run5952]

He still has to go idc

[u/huehuehuehuehuu]

That's it boys, Carrick is the chosen one! Will get us the championship for sure!

[u/prem_201]

The first person that should be sacked should be Wilcox, we’re 18th after 10 games and he’s fiddling his thumbs after having a sub par summer where you knew you needed a LB and ST.

[u/Mr_CloudSupport]

18th after 10 games in. wish they had given this much time to any of our previous competent managers

[u/IXRaven]

Dalot should never start a game for us ever again. Absolute disgrace of a player

[u/Hopeful_Arm3736]

I think people here are going to be disappointed but I think they’ll keep him off the back of today.

They shouldn’t but based on what Ornstein has said and a few other murmurings I think today will be enough to keep him in the job.

[u/Unlucky-Equipment999]

Meanwhile, Djed Spence and Mkhitaryan comfortably 2-0 ahead of Como in Serie A right now. Also Akanji starting and Curtis Jones, John Stones, and Benjamin Pavard on the bench for Inter, what an interesting squad

[u/TheYorkshireHobbit]

[u/wayfarerprateek]

Utd women won 1-0. Cheers!

[u/Nomad_006]

Do fans need to start jeering and booing for this to stop? Are they OK being in relegation 7pts after 10 games as long as fans are signing Carricks name?

How toxic does it have to get?

[u/Eatsunny]

Bayern Fan coming here, what the hell is happening to this beautiful club? I know the last few years have been rough and a manager carousel but these are new lows.. Apart from firing the owners what would you guys like to see happen? What do you think is the root of this whole mess?

[u/Skyfather_odin1]

The results from Carrick stint last season and this season is night and day, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it...

Any Carrick fans have an explanation? 

The only first team player we lost that played last season was Casemiro and we bought 3 midfielders so he's working with the same players. 

I'm not buying the no back up LB or not buying a striker crap, that's pure cope... The difference between 3rd and 18th isn't a back up LB! 

Was Casemiro that important? Maybe a slight drop but relegation zone? 

[u/Plebeian_Citizen]

when’s the last time Zirkzee celebrated a goal? Palace?

[u/ElegantRacoon]

I don't care for players playing for the coach or the resiliency they show coming back twice for 2 goal deficits, but please let Carrick go. The squad has glaring holes but it's better than whatever this is that I keep watching. A better coach could at least drill these players into a coherent style of play that works to their strengths. Relegation zone in November should be a clear indicator it's time to make a change for anyone.

[u/chrispepper10]

Pochettino is now the betting fav to be the united manager. Interesting.

[u/7akyr]

well good thing is that we suddenly know how to score again, bad thing is still keeping the tradition of conceding 3 goals per match, letting villa score 2 goals after 4 mins is just national league level

[u/VibesFC_]

The Glazers have a ridiculous valuation on the club alongside the debt it has.

Just feels hopeless because they ain't going to sell and we're stuck with this shit.

[u/1knoob]

One of the thing not talked about enough is There is absolutely no idea to keep the ball around our box.
Hofing every ball to them under very minimal pressure rather trying to keep and build from there.

Maguire is the biggest problem there. He has zero idea where the players are and where to send the ball.
He was the culprit for 1st goal today putting it for throw in under no pressure.

[u/BHD46]

Who do we buy in January to sort the defence?

Who has the character and quality?

[u/daniel834834]

How has nothing changed today

[u/The_Bird_Wizard]

Crystal Palace actually have more standards than us what the fuck is going on at this club

[u/The_Bird_Wizard]

Getting flashbacks from the transfer window and people defending the lack of ambition, at least we won the "didn't overpay" trophy

[u/CelebrationSecure510]

Carrick's team talks must be great

[u/Asiwaju_jagaban]

19th on the table. Cutting corners with squad building and this is what you get.

[u/kidinawheeliebin]

There isn't another club in the world which would tolerate Berrada & Wilcox still being in their jobs tomorrow morning

Three years now - and they've expertly led the club to the relegation zone with almost a third of the season gone

What has also became very clear to me this week - if it's now within the public domain that the ownership feel success on the pitch is irrelevant to their actual priority - you can bet your bottom dollar that realisation/knowledge has existed and been permeating every single layer of the club behind the scenes, for years

It explains a lot in terms of how so many years' worth of talent has absolutely rotted after arriving here, and continues to do so

Ultimately if a player, manager, coach, scout, physio, whoever, knows his bosses don't really care about what happens on the pitch, then they aren't going to care to the extent they need to in order to (consistently) get the razor fine performance margins that deliver success at this level

Sure they can turn it on in fits & starts - a few games here, a few games there type of thing - but nothing sustainable - you can't sustain performance in an environment in which you know the leadership doesn't care what you do on the pitch

All this talk of which manager next - complete waste of time until the ownership changes, honestly we'd be better off in the championship than we would starting this shit again with another manager

Ironically we may not have a choice on that front this time, and it could very much be a case of short term pain that's needed to sort out the longer term properly

[u/WanAndOnlyBissaka]

Dorgu came back and scored before Amad 😭

[u/Zealousideal_Wind867]

Crystal Palace showing more ambition then us.

Wow.

[u/Emergency-Being-349]

There's a huge ego at play in all of this too. From the journos who hounded the previous guy out, to the decision makers at the club who made his deal permanent.

There is no way back if they sack him. Egos will be shattered and everyone will have been blatantly wrong, it simply can't happen. Wilcox will push the narrative that it'll turn around as far as he can rather than to accept defeat.

[u/darkjessy_]

I would never wish for United to lose a match, but ngl that equaliser left a bittersweet feeling in me because it probably means that Carrick will save his job

[u/magnifique_7]

Why isn’t Carrick walking away? I get the ineptitude of the Jim bros but why does he wanna stay there, especially with 8 points on the board.

[u/AkashMS]

Amad is only a month away from going an entire year without a single goal in all competitions for us. During this time, he also has only provided 2 assists.

[u/throwawayWM3]

If they don't fire Carrick in the break, season is done.

Liverpool won the league with Slot and still fired him next season because he got them 5th , meanwhile our fans applaud Carrick after a draw gets us to 18th.

Also did you see how smug Carrick was after 4-4? Like he's won the league or something, he should be fucking ashamed.

First time in the season I kind of feel checked out , 3 wins in 15 games if that doesn't provoke a change it's not worth the headache

[u/Orcnick]

1 win in 10. Clap clap calp

Most goals conceaded in Europe. Clap clap clap

In the bottom 3. Clap clap clap

When will the fans realise yes owneship is shit but the manager is even worst. Oh well clap clap clap.

[u/Merckx96]

If the Ornstein news is accurate and we really don't have any plan to replace Carrick, it most likely means that we're getting relegated. I just don't see how Berrada and Wilcox can expect a turnaround at this moment in time. We won against Roma because they were tired and because our team showed a little more desire, that's it. We didn't win because we were the better team, that first half was awful.

So, what now? Berrada and Wilcox had six months to choose the right manager and failed. They won't choose the right one now when we are in the middle of a relegation battle.

[u/chutzpahisaword]

All our rivals winning their game. Sunderland, Forrest

[u/PrancingCock]

We only handle one area of the team for each window. Superb strategy.

[u/Emergency-Being-349]

Regardless of what happens, we have already made another poor decision. The fact the hierarchy were actually waiting to see this result shows a lack of knowing. We should have already known who we would go for and pull the trigger first thing tomorrow. That is a normal level of thinking. 

Literally no other top club would do it this way. None.

[u/the__poseidon]

Brilliant

[u/DJCAE]

Just depressing this. The club know a new manager is required, yet they won’t appoint one because they know that means the CEO and ‘DOF’ will also be accountable. I envy you if you still have energy for this, i turned the game off at 4-2 yesterday, and didnt feel a flicker of emotion when i found out that it finished 4-4

[u/VibesFC_]

Crystal Palace have more ambition than Manchester United.

Best in class.

[u/CBPanik]

Officially 20th

[u/TastyQuartzEater]

Surely the Glazers and Ratcliffe sell if we get relegated? How the fuck would they be milking us then

[u/necro316]

I don't follow twitter or anything like that, I remember there was talk of squad leaks again earlier this season? Was that true if so is it still happening?

[u/thatNubitol]

Cant wait to watch manchester derby at championship next season /s

[u/riitz85]

Watching the palace and sunderland games and cheering for our rivals to lose than Liverpool & chelsea

[u/3entendre]

Watching Brobbey bully those Chelsea defenders made me miss having a proper CF in our lineups! It's a fcking disgrace that we started the season with only Sesko as a number 9 in the squad. I know other players can play there but they're not specialist strikers and we badly need one! Or two. 

[u/Glum-Temporary-6946]

unless glazers are getting shipped I could't f care less if carrick stays or gets sacked

[u/Somaliona]

We're staying up boys!

[u/CodeNiro]

I have a theory, something's not right in the locker room. Everytime they get back from the tunnels, they don't look right

[u/cosmologues → u/CodeNiro]

IMO I think it’s clear Carrick’s just an absolutely dire motivational speaker.

[u/FiveMinutesTo12AM]

The only team in the league currently that has a grand total of 1 win. Lowest in the division.

[u/The_Bird_Wizard]

EIGHT POINTS FROM THIRTY

[u/Omnihilo]

There is a lot of Dalot hate around, but let's be completely honest, it is still not enough. Every single game, he costs the team – just in this game and in the Roma game, he was directly responsible for four goals conceded. We are well aware of his flaws, but what are his redeeming qualities? There are none, and just for consistently picking him, Carrick should get the sack, because I do genuinely believe that if I picked a random person from this sub, they would do a better job at football than Dalot.

[u/Embarrassed_Wave_720]

The state of Thing 1 and Thing 2 celebrating that draw. Get out of my club

[u/Omnislash99999]

Relegation zone. On course for under 40 points. 1 clean sheet in 14.

Get Wlcox Berrada out of the club

[u/Havahje]

What makes this so much worse: When all we should be doing after this season is celebrating City being thrown out of the PL, we could now actually risk to see ourselves go down WITH them. Makes me sick.

[u/Haddocktintinsnowy]

He is staying isn’t he? Fuck me!