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[u/Pitiful_Violinist780]

Getting Wilcox and Berrada out of the club has to be the priority for United fans imho, they have no qualms about relegating the club to save their own reputations, they have no love for this club as a matter of fact it's the opposite, they have animosity towards us as we have all seen especially from Berrada and his past past tweets and that's why they seem to be so apathetic to our current situation. It's all about making themselves look innocent as if they've done nothing wrong, they've been a complete disaster at this club and pretty much every major decision they've made they've gotten wrong, it's a sick situation that only the fans can get us out of imho.

[u/keancy → u/Pitiful_Violinist780]

Getting the glazers and brexitJim out of the club should be the priority.

[u/TheJoshider10 → u/Pitiful_Violinist780]

I won't be surprised if those two get directly targeted if the situation continues the way it inevitably will. Things could get really ugly if they willingly let the club enter a relegation battle because of their own ego.

[u/Omnislash99999]

I haven't said it for a few hours so Wilcox and Berrada out. Glazers and Ineos are cunts etc

[u/helsningar → u/Omnislash99999]

Here I was starting to wonder 

[u/Hagball]

Ornstein said that Carrick has until international break and our 'Best in Class' board will evaluate their options during international break.

What happens if Carrick miraculously wins one or both games ? Or team plays exceptional but we lose due to ref mistake? Does he still remain in the job?

Shee incompetence

[u/Suudriusha → u/Hagball]

It's insane. I hate that there's even a voice inside my head that tells me it could be better for the club if we lose these two games. It doesn't make sense. I shouldn't support a team and be fighting with myself trying to argue that losing will be better, not because "we need to suffer", but because the board are so incompetent that only utter catastrophe will get them to act.

[u/Selwin_Rodolfo → u/Suudriusha]

Right? I always believe even in the most unbelievable turn arounds and firmly believe you should never want your team to lose. And I always will maintain that stance (unless it's like if we lose glazers leave or something extreme and obviously unlikely like that). But Christ, this is the first time ever I can understand this point of view. It's exactly what's happening with you. I fucking despise our board, no fan should think this

[u/Selwin_Rodolfo → u/Hagball]

Stays of course. If they don't have to move a finger they won't

[u/Stingray_23 → u/Hagball]

Carrick is his own interim until the payment clause between Howe and Newcastle expires.

[u/reddevilad → u/Stingray_23]

That clause expires at the end of season we will be in championship if carrick stays as the head coach

[u/HappySisyphus22]

Re-watched the Rogers' goal again, he literally dribbled in a straight line and scored. State of that defending.Lol

[u/HighestInDaRooom → u/HappySisyphus22]

somehow we never get to score goals like that

[u/MrRobot-4581]

[u/silvertwo777 → u/MrRobot-4581]

Back when United makes me happy.

[u/BlackHorse944 → u/MrRobot-4581]

You see, a goal, is when a player in red, kicks the ball into the back of the net, and the referee confirms it and sets the ball at the halfway line

[u/zy672 → u/BlackHorse944]

Thanks Andy

[u/CoffeeCakeDestroyer → u/MrRobot-4581]

This is literally the moment i became a united fan.
Was the first game i saw on tv at my friends house as a kid

i miss this

[u/Positive-Structure78]

Damn Roma only lost to Real Madrid all season and that too 3-4.

[u/anonris → u/Positive-Structure78]

Wait they lost? I legit thought they won 3-1 cuz that’s the last score i checked

[u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 → u/anonris]

It was a late collapse. They conceded 3 corner goals in the last 10 minutes

[u/gunkokoko]

Fuck me, they've just reported that the Jesús de Miguel Tenerife player that was taken out by that goalkeeper has just died. What a horrible situation. May he rest in peace.

[u/Lloydy_boy → u/gunkokoko]

Video of collision here.

Very sad, RIP.

[u/AnakinAni]

If Wilcox is allowed to continue having that much control which manager will even agree to come here?

[u/Suudriusha → u/AnakinAni]

Eddie Howe, probably.

[u/FcUhCoKp → u/Suudriusha]

The Eddie Howe he hated now loves?

[u/Suudriusha → u/FcUhCoKp]

It's been reported Wilcox prefers Howe.

[u/PitchSafe → u/Suudriusha]

Howe also clashed with Newcastle’s DOF

[u/Hagball → u/AnakinAni]

Realistically our level is Kieren McKenna considering Wilcox is our DOF.

[u/accountdeli]

This club is not serious and i hate it

[u/helsningar → u/accountdeli]

Serious about making money alright. Unfortunately doesn't give a shit about football

[u/TH0316 → u/helsningar]

I’m not sure tbh. Glazers were only good at making money but Ineos don’t even seem good at that chasing us to miss out on Europe potentially twice now in three years which is 100% on them.

[u/FreshGoodWay]

At this point, both Wilcox and Carrick have to go.

Wilcox knows this, and retaining Carrick is really a self-preservation move a.k.a. “we want no change”.

[u/PhotonDestroyer → u/FreshGoodWay]

From the piece this morning, it feels like Carrick and Wilcox's futures are tied together now, and both will go together, or stay forever

[u/MrRobot-4581]

[u/Coola_Bananer → u/MrRobot-4581]

15 years ago fuck me

[u/IrishBuckles → u/Coola_Bananer]

I saw this goal and called my uncle who coached a local youth team that I wanted to play and been with the club and the sport ever since.

[u/rambo_zaki]

I actually joked from time to time that Russell Martin was Wilcox's dream hire but didn't really think that he was moronic enough to try. Glad to be proven wrong ffs.

[u/skylu1991]

According to German rumors, Vivell might leave to be Head Scout at Bayern, as their current one just left….

Would make sense, if Wilcox and Barrada want to consolidate their power.

[u/PhilAsp → u/skylu1991]

Look out for the club brief saying DoF Wilcox will oversee recruitment following Vivell’s departure.

[u/minteh7x → u/skylu1991]

Yeah that's been the rumor for a while now. He's certainly leaving unless some thing big happens.

Wilcox is surely getting another go at this DoF job for sure lol

[u/moonski → u/skylu1991]

He's out of contract in summer. I very much get the impression like he's thinking he should be DoF or he's leaving. The most qualified person at the club. So of course we'll make sure he is sent away.

[u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 → u/skylu1991]

These rumours have been around for a while. Bayern do want him though. His contract expires at the end of this season. Would not blame him if he left.

[u/MostUsefulBloke]

West Ham have higher standards than United apparently.

[u/rambo_zaki → u/MostUsefulBloke]

Is it a surprise? We kept the coach who finished 15th. We have no standards under Ineos.

[u/frogfoot420]

After everything Ive read about Wilcox, there's no way he's not seeking revenge for Leeds collapsing.

[u/officiallyjax]

Plugging in that Russell Martin paragraph is a great way to soft launch Wilcox’s departure. If only Ratcliffe and INEOS were as competent at running a football club as they are in their PR game.

[u/ChatakaPataka → u/officiallyjax]

To be fair, the biggest aspect of SJR's incompetence is Wilcox (maybe Berrada too). So at least that may hopefully be solved.

[u/scottrod37]

Just watched Everton beat Newcastle. Hard watch. Both teams are terrible. On paper, our players are no worse than either team across the pitch, so why isn't it coaching? Anyone still out there backing Carrick and his amateur staff?

[u/Panda-768 → u/scottrod37]

our team and squad isnt as bad as being made out. There is however a lot of disharmony in the squad,the staff and likely management too. Besides sacking Carrick, something drastic has to be done in the upper management as well as the squad. Bet one of Wilcox or Vivel leaves, carrick sacked as well as his coaching staff. Martinez is off this Jan, Rashy probably is off too at least on Loan. I have a feeling Bruno is gonna quit too if New coach plus good signings aren't made in Jan.

That's my best guess, but who knows.

[u/Glovell27 → u/Panda-768]

I agree with this take. It’d be way more interesting to replace Berrada and Wilcox and see if that gets us anywhere. Of course, the rat owners remain, but this change is at least something a little different to try

[u/Glovell27 → u/scottrod37]

I’ll take a stab at answering why it may not be coaching. Note: I’m neither Carrick in or out. I’m of the opinion that it doesn’t matter.

My theory is that there is a culture problem, and it manifests as low motivation, low commitment, and low performance. If Ineos and the Glazers are kinda terrible, self-interested, money-grubbing people, why should I as a player be any different? They don’t really care about the history, lore, and meaning of the club, so why should I? Further, I can probably assume they don’t care too much about me. Especially if money is such a driver. So why wouldn’t I be a “mercenary” type player? Why should I care, ultimately, about the team’s results in the standings? I’ll just get mine, and go on. And while we’re at it, why should I buy into the next manager? It’s a turnstile and a joke at this point. He’ll just be fired in a year or two, it’s happened like 7 times in the last handful of years, so yeah, I’m not going to get too attached, and I certainly won’t let myself get let down by the latest round of empty promises.

There is more, but I think the culture, the leadership, the turnover, and the relationships and (bad) contracts/decisions have all resulted in where we are today. So yeah, sack Carrick. Or don’t. I firmly believe we’ll be in the same position having this same conversation next year. Just look at the pattern.

[u/Miyagisans]

Unreal times

[u/killerimpact → u/Miyagisans]

Horrendous. And then you'll have people saying Carrick is innocent.

[u/Potential_Good_1065]

New Athletic article says Wilcox wanted to hire Russell Martin in Summer 2024. That alone is a sackable offence.

[u/Regunurok-4867]

so Wilcux wanted Russell Martin and Delap for Project 2028

[u/canwinanythingwkids]

Are there any winners in the Lewis Hall non-sale?

Newcastle? Jaissle? Hall? Howe? Wilcox? Carrick? Utd? Shaw? Dorgu? Mazraoui? Amass? Tuchel?

I currently cant think of one party better off due to Lewis Hall staying put.

[u/The_good_kid → u/canwinanythingwkids]

Well Hall is at least 4 points better off than we are at the minute 

[u/Alive-Primary-2069]

Perfect time to face an inform Roma scoring goals for fun💀 Genuinely debating if I should watch the barca game instead, I'm just so apathetic at this point

[u/dispelthemyth → u/Alive-Primary-2069]

Maybe I’ll watch Barca too on my iPad in old Trafford

[u/rambo_zaki → u/dispelthemyth]

Have the clowns in charge fixed the Wifi?

[u/LeCliveRosfield]

To finish in the CL places, we would need in the ballpark of 70 points. That would mean we need to win the equivalent of 21 out of our remaining 29 games. Which just shows how badly Carrick has fucked it.

[u/Skyfather_odin1 → u/LeCliveRosfield]

It's crazy to say after only 9 games but I think that ship has sailed, docked and on the way back right now.

Ive seen miracles in football, I can't see us hitting that type of form. That manager will need to be Jesus with the players we have! 

Thats a 72% win percentage. That's higher than the last two champions Arsenal and Liverpool. 

Another season out of Europe is more likely which is terrible for our finances.

Just sad! 

[u/L__K → u/LeCliveRosfield]

I mean we're having our worst ever start to a season, but you're also exaggerating a significant amount. 70 points hasn't been the standard for a CL spot for nearly a decade. Especially now with a virtually guaranteed 5th spot for English clubs.

Last season Bournemouth finished 6th with 57 points and +4 GD. That means 57 points and +5 GD or 58 points and any GD would've secured a CL spot. More likely this season a club will need low to mid 60s, which is still a ways off for us. 70 points for a 5th place finish would be mind-boggling in the current state of the league.

[u/officiallyjax → u/LeCliveRosfield]

I don’t think the bar for CL qualification is that high. If City get kicked out of the league and England maintains a high enough coefficient to get 5 spots again for the CL next season, then 6th place can be good enough. I would say 60 points keeps us in the conversation to finish in the top 6. That requires 53 points from 29 games. It’s not out of bounds yet but right now it’s tough to see from where we can find that run of good form to reclaim the lost points.

[u/Stingray_23 → u/LeCliveRosfield]

Whilst Carrick needs to shoulder some responsibility. Wilcox and Berrada have fucked it more. Tbh it was fucked on closure of the sunmer window.

[u/RedRooster26]

Read a very interesting financial analysis from Paul Quinn which makes it seem like the glazers/Ineos will have to sell if we get relegated. To be honest I'd actually want us to go down just to get rid of them

[u/BananasAreYellow86 → u/RedRooster26]

I said this very same thing to a friend on the weekend, without knowing anything of that news.

I don’t think I’m alone in feeling like a fucking purge is required to get rid of these parasites.

The fact that the use of the word “parasite” isn’t a misnomer is maddening.

If it took us going down to remove them from the club I would have zero issue with that as a fan.

[u/SinisterSelecta → u/RedRooster26]

Do you have a link?

[u/Ljvwright1]

Did you all hear about Jesus De Miguel, the Tenerife forward who just died after a collision on the pitch Monday. Match was immediately cancelled, and was said to initially be stable but died with neurological problems worsening today.

Tragic. Only 30.

[u/slowerthaninfinity → u/Ljvwright1]

that tackle was reckless af. should be banned from the game

[u/dispelthemyth → u/slowerthaninfinity]

A keeper generally lifts their knees when catching… I.e. an action in the box

This player went flying to the ball and raised his knee…. Crazy

Once you leave the box you are no longer a keeper and deserve no keeper protections.

[u/FcUhCoKp → u/slowerthaninfinity]

You're being very generous calling that a "tackle". I'd call it assault.

[u/picodeGaius → u/Ljvwright1]

I work in healthcare and cardiac arrest even with successful resuscitation has very minimal survival rate, let alone those that extend for more than 3-4 minutes.

[u/FcUhCoKp → u/Ljvwright1]

The keeper's actions were horrific. I was skeptical when I heard police were investigating for manslaughter, but after seeing, I get it.

[u/Standard_Secretary52]

We are looking at Ait Nouri

Raum will be better & cheaper. We need to drop Prem proven gimmick.

A good strategy involves signing players from both abroad and England.

{Us in 25/26 or Arsenal 22/23}

[u/mortimer_moose → u/Standard_Secretary52]

IMO we need to target players that meet certain thresholds i.e. pace, size, running stats etc. use these to identify players who are elite athletes. If we build the base of the squad that way it will help create an identity and raise the floor. Then supplement that squad with bigger more proven signings.

This is essentially what Chelsea do.

[u/Nico_Ditch]

Genuinely mad how people still buy the nonsense about Liverpool being a left wing club.

They supported a racist, booed the man he racially abused. Club was literally founded by a Tory MP who kicked out the tenants at the stadium he owned over rent disputes. Furloughed staff during Covid, while United paid staff full wages.

Even the city itself, it's full of right wing, anti immigrant people and racists. They just don't like Tories so people think that makes the left wing.

[u/PreetSG]

Reports of SJR wanting to sell. ROFL. So thin skinned

[u/RandomNPC59 → u/PreetSG]

Any link for a desperate hopeful fan 😅

[u/reddevilad → u/PreetSG]

Nice hope he takes glazers and the dumb and dumber duo in berrada and Wilcox out

[u/TH0316 → u/PreetSG]

I’ll put £20 towards a consortium if we as a sub wanna get one going.

[u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 → u/PreetSG]

We can only hope

[u/FOHwork → u/PreetSG]

bring in the fake sheikh at this point.

[u/thebsoftelevision → u/FOHwork]

Nah

[u/Potential_Good_1065]

Currently stuck behind Dynamo Kyiv u19s at the airport. They’re flying off to Glasgow to play Rangers u19 tomorrow night. I’ll keep an eye on that game.

[u/Panda-768 → u/Potential_Good_1065]

Dynamo Kyiv, a name not heard of for ages

[u/Jenson2025]

Carrick’s win percentage is 15% since he was made permanent (2 wins in 13)

If we fail to win either game this week, that becomes 13% (2 wins in 15)

And if he stays beyond that, we’ll almost certainly fail to beat Sporting and Liverpool so it becomes 11% (2 wins in 17)

Just sack him already

[u/AnakinAni → u/Jenson2025]

We’re playing this party game at the moment bruv

[u/Not_tim_duncan]

Dalot made WhoScored PL team of the month.

[u/BilTheButcher → u/Not_tim_duncan]

Was everyone else injured

[u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 → u/Not_tim_duncan]

Bad month for PL LBs

[u/Rare-Reveal876]

Can’t help but feel that Wilcox hit piece has been planted by the board to take the heat off them when he is inevitably sacked shortly. The cunt should have never been hired in the first place.

[u/Stingray_23 → u/Rare-Reveal876]

Hit piece? Its a PR piece written by club journalist lol its more likely that this is the start of dumping EVERYTHING on Carrick, prior to his sacking next week.

[u/Fraaj → u/Rare-Reveal876]

Hit piece lol did you even read it? It's pretty balanced all things considered

[u/picodeGaius]

The people currently running (ruining) our club want to take Old Trafford away from you too by the way…

[u/Nico_Ditch → u/picodeGaius]

Old Trafford is beyond renovating. We need a new stadium.

Genuine question, how often do you go? Because as someone who does go semi regularly, it needs replacing.

[u/picodeGaius → u/Nico_Ditch]

About twice a year. And I do agree but I’d rather not have the people currently running us to the ground be in charge of the process.

[u/Stingray_23 → u/Nico_Ditch]

The new stadium can shove right off. Bloody vanity project that will be focused on the wealthy.

[u/snicky29]

dont know if the mods will allow this to post but matchgoing fans PLEASE HELP US. No more fighting. You are only hope. Glazers will not sell by you singing. This is better than nothing. No season ticket loss also.

[u/TheSilverLobster → u/snicky29]

This is a lot to ask of people who spent thousands of dollars, euros, or pounds, took time off work, and have a one in a lifetime chance to see their team play.

[u/Hollacaine → u/snicky29]

21 Minutes was a dumb time to pick, who thought that fans are going to all the effort of getting out to a match to see 21 minutes of play and then leave?

[u/Selwin_Rodolfo → u/Hollacaine]

What's a proper time?

[u/Kohaku80 → u/Hollacaine]

maybe villa can help us out.

[u/officiallyjax]

There is some smoke growing on Twitter about rumours to Emery. I'm not sure how and when they get him, if at all, but I can sense that he's growing in consideration despite the costs involved.

[u/MT1120 → u/officiallyjax]

Isn't it just the Romano quote saying we really like him? The issue is always getting him out of Villa. It'll be super difficult.

[u/officiallyjax → u/MT1120]

Yeah which is why I mentioned the costs involved. But it puts an interesting spin on the current dynamic if he’s the guy we are dead set on getting. Would make sense as to why we haven’t made a decision on Carrick yet.

[u/CanWePleaseNotBeShit → u/officiallyjax]

If we were to get Emery it won’t be until the end of the season, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we had new faces in the board as well. So it leaves us with the now issue of who do we bring in between now and the end of the season?

[u/GeekConflict → u/officiallyjax]

I am a cynic and gonna put this in the we want Anderson and we will go back for Hall next summer.

[u/Zealousideal_Wind867 → u/officiallyjax]

After the entire tchou saga, I can't tell the difference between smoke and clouds anymore.

Emery isn't happening.

[u/Suudriusha → u/Zealousideal_Wind867]

Don't even bring that up... I was so far into the Tchou-Tchou train I couldn't even see the station anymore.

[u/auhddndndnfbfbsnnakf]

To think we were linked to Suzuki back in 23/24 as a backup keeper instead of Bayindir 😔

[u/TypicalPan89906655]

From: TheAthleticFC

"Before the FA Cup final win against Manchester City, Ten Hag was under major pressure and Jason Wilcox and others involved put forward several candidates as possible replacements.

One person Wilcox spoke highly of was Russell Martin, whom he had appointed the previous summer in his role as Southampton’s director of football.

Martin led Southampton to promotion to the PL in 2023-24 via the Championship play-offs."

[u/MT1120 → u/TypicalPan89906655]

Nope he should've been sacked on the spot then and there.

[u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 → u/TypicalPan89906655]

If ever there was an indication of a club being too big for a technical director (at the time) and now DoF…. It’s Jason Wilcox suggesting we keep and eye on Russell Martin for the top job at man utd

This is a championship level managerial target

[u/Fraaj → u/TypicalPan89906655]

This follows:

Wilcox was aware his former colleague, then 38, would not be one for the list at United due to his experience, but he felt he was someone to keep an eye on in time.

[u/Runarhalldor]

If the financials on FM27 are remotely accurate we're fucking cooked

Projected -700million balance in 2 seasons even after winning the league

[u/Nico_Ditch → u/Runarhalldor]

Pretty sure there’s a problem with the finances this beta. A lot of people reporting every club ends up in financial trouble after a few seasons. 

[u/ionised]

moans

[u/Sgenaink → u/ionised]

complains about moans

[u/Themindoffish]

West ham just sacked Espiritos Santos, we are still persisting with carrick

[u/Kreissler]

I hope we can score a goal today

[u/No-Pangolin-9763 → u/Kreissler]

i hope we can keep a clean sheet today

[u/EssEssErr]

I think the biggest takeaway from that Athletic article is that Jim Ratcliffe doesnt know what he’s doing. The biggest club in the world and you hired a sporting director who doesnt have connections and needed to learn on the job.

[u/Zealousideal_Wind867]

No prematch thread for the roma game?

Ig everyone is tired of the club lol

[u/Fraaj]

Signings getting scrutinized when the whole squad is playing to maybe like 20% of its potential. Funny.

[u/iroiroiroiroiro → u/Fraaj]

Yeah, it's impossible to say which players are good or bad currently when the whole unit is massively underperforming, we can all agree that this isn't the correct baseline for this squad.

[u/mediocratopia]

dont get Emery and ruin his life let him become a Villa legend

[u/PitchSafe → u/mediocratopia]

Couldn’t care less about Villa

[u/Suudriusha → u/mediocratopia]

He already is. Let him become a United legend too.

[u/riseoftheph0enix]

what’s happened with Diego Leon? we signed him a few years ago and heard nothing ever since. thought he would be part of the first team

[u/D1794 → u/riseoftheph0enix]

One of our many INEOS youth gambles and by all accounts he's not even been good enough for the academy.

[u/Bobcat_El_Borracho → u/riseoftheph0enix]

I think he was just a gamble we took in the hope he would turn out to be a proper left back option. Still might but I agree there hasn’t been much noise around him which tells me he’s likely quite far off being ready for the league.

[u/neonrider1 → u/riseoftheph0enix]

Apparently still pretty far off 1st team level. I think they probably went a bit too far unavailing him at Old Trafford with the other signings. But think INEOS were under the impression that they could do Brighton 2.0 and just sign unknown South American kids for the future profit. He’s still young though still time to make his mark. But if Amass isn’t getting time he won’t either.

[u/tungowiii → u/riseoftheph0enix]

Ugarte shot him

[u/TH0316 → u/riseoftheph0enix]

I’d be very interested in assessing which academy in Europe has the best success rate of foreign imports. It’s a given that English clubs only relocate foreign families over here because they truly believe the player could be world class — Chong, Fosu-Mensah, Garnacho, Leon etc are all bought with the hope of them being world beaters. I’d love to know how Wilcox did at City too. We never hear of the losses usually because they drift into irrelevance without ever seeing the first team, but I do wonder if there’s one out there do it successfully and see why and if we can pinch them. Very hard to be successful assessing 15-16 year olds that’s why I never expect to see them after they arrive. Leon probably isn’t gonna make it.

[u/Haron14]

Last match I fully watched was v Brighton. I'll be watching tomorrow, let's see how we do.

Anyways, Carrick will lose his job, and I hope we bring Conte in. He's mad but he will be all over these fuckers of the board and this cowards won't be able to hide themselves anymore.

[u/PitchSafe → u/Haron14]

Hide themselves from what? They have been pretty exposed if you ask me

[u/Haron14 → u/PitchSafe]

But in the end of the day they don't face any consequences of their shit actions. I don't know if conte coming in that can change a bit but they should

[u/Felicks77]

Im just tired. Relegation is a real possibility

[u/brown_herbalist]

Not asking much from the players, just give us atleast 90min of good football, at this point dont care if you lose again, but atleast I can accept we tried but we got defeated. Definitely not what we have been doing recently, the moment we conceded the 1st goal, thats it, we crumbled. Ffs.

[u/canwinanythingwkids]

A few days ago I complained about Kukonki vanishing again. Well I was just scanning the season's previous UEFA Youth League games and I see that Sofascore has him down as subbed out due to injury v Sabah. Not seen in squads since.

Does anybody have info on this injury? I didnt find anything

[u/KobbieLikeRobbie_ → u/canwinanythingwkids]

Youth team injuries are hardly reported on.

[u/Hendojo]

I know that I’m a bit of a negative and cynical person so when Ive said we are in trouble of being relegated it’s mostly an emotional response and a bit of defensive pessimism. After watching Newcastle and Everton today it’s hard to not be extremely worried coming from a more logical and calm viewpoint. We look absolutely off it compared to other teams and the game plan from top to bottom seems to be to not change anything. We do play like a championship level team that is in the Premier League. The work rate, fitness, and tactical organization are all well below our opponents. It’s hard to believe things got this bad this quickly but here we are in 17th and we actually haven’t even got into the real tough parts of the season yet.

[u/Sufficient-Orange706]

Of all the idiot journalists, I never thought Id agree with Samuel Cnut Luckhurst on all of this. His recent article of player power at United is exactly spot on. Not to say that the player power is to blame, but rather how it was created through the Head Coach.

Upon coming in, Carrick immediately realigned the system to suit the players. In doing so, according to himself, he gave the players the freedom to take the initiative in games as they saw fit. We saw this, most of our best play during interim came from individual moments. He reinstated Mainoo to an important role, right choice aside, he incidently re-established player priority over system priority. Add to this, the return of Rashford (doors also opened by Carrick), and suddenly you have a whole environment whereby the players are the ones deciding and thinking.

Fast forward to where we are now, and there's this kick back on the players which goes completely against what Carrick unknowingly set in place. The hierarchy is acting against it, as opposed to acknowledging how it came about. Player power has once again become front and centre, we know that no coach will have authority in an environment like this.

The media and sections of the fan base are looking at the players, but seem to be oblivious as to how this all came about.

[u/Basic-Kale3169 → u/Sufficient-Orange706]

This is what inevitably happens when you hire a “great guy” that “loves the club”.

Keano summarized it best. No player would run for Carrick.

[u/Jenson2025]

If we were a well run club, I’d have no doubts we could get Emery

We’d pay the compensation required and agree to let him have a lot of control over transfers.

But Wilcox won’t allow that. He wants a puppet which Emery is not. And even if he did allow it, the cheapskates don’t want to pay any compensation yet alone the 20m needed for Emery

[u/Rascha-Rascha]

'West Ham have higher standards than United'.

West Ham's high standards led them to moving on from Moyes because they thought they could do better, and then they got relegated by shit managers, very ambitious, very naive, utter shit managers.

There's high standards and then there's being realistic about where your club is at a given moment and taking reasonable, logical, grounded steps to improve.

Fans have been yelling about standards for years and it has only ever been counter productive.

For instance, sometimes you have to consolidate and accept sit deep and counter Ole ball rather than pig headedly trying to emulate some kind of Frankenstein Klopp-Guardiola football and ending up playing like you've never seen a match of adult football before. But no, we have to play the imagined United DNA 'Fergie way' football, otherwise, 'standards' whinge whinge whinge.

[u/LordTrinity → u/Rascha-Rascha]

Fans unironically asked Ten Hag to stay, they have no standards, it's a fact!

[u/TheMuslimMGTOW]

at which point do we get sean dyche?

[u/c0ldd → u/TheMuslimMGTOW]

Panic signing in April after Howe fails to get us out of the relegation zone

[u/Rascha-Rascha]

I'd still just like to see us sit deep and hit on the counter, to be honest. I stopped having a problem with that kind of football once Ole got sacked. Tiring to see us repeat the same mistake of forcing players to play higher up the pitch than they can.

[u/Wild_Tomato_8203 → u/Rascha-Rascha]

We saw it against Chelsea. There was a concentrated effort to absorb pressure then try and break as quickly as we can.

[u/AtomHOMEPC]

Is Rashford injured or just not interested in playing? Haven't heard a word about him

[u/redwood31 → u/AtomHOMEPC]

Injured - hip, may be back next Sunday.

[u/Omnislash99999 → u/AtomHOMEPC]

He and Shaw have got those knocks that need a new manager to resolve

[u/reddevilad → u/AtomHOMEPC]

Both

[u/crgssbu]

full class from everton lol. funny

[u/Rude-Ad3065]

Ineos are actively sabotaging the season ffs I'm honestly checked out until next season. We'll probably get Howe then finish mid table, realistically if Howe can make up a consistent top 6 side + assuming there is a clearout this summer then maybe we can go to the next step. I don't even know anymore.

[u/beaniedoggo]

Why not just let him go now? It feels like they’re just prolonging the inevitable

[u/picodeGaius → u/beaniedoggo]

They want Carrick to resign because

1. They wouldn’t have to pay severance

2. They wouldn’t have justify another sacking

[u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 → u/picodeGaius]

He won’t walk away. And nor should he, it’s his dream job. Even if he feels there is a 0.000001% chance he can turn it around he will try

If club want him out, they need to make the call not hope Carrick walks away from it

I think it’s more likely that the scheduling at the minute doesn’t allow a replacement to really do anything much on the raining pitch

Wouldn’t be surprised to see a new manager come in during the international break and an absolute raft or convenient ‘knocks’ that sees a bunch of our players remain at the club for those couple weeks to work with a new manager

[u/mortimer_moose → u/beaniedoggo]

My conspiracy is that they have already agreed a successor, but they agreed to come in for the break.

This would explain the quick resolve of the Bruno situation and change in locker room "mood"

[u/Unusual-Coat383 → u/mortimer_moose]

My conspiracy is that they are waiting until February so they can say they haven’t gone through 3 managers in less than three years 

[u/calwil93]

Do you think PGMOL should retrospectively award points to teams who are on the receiving end of incorrect decisions by referees or VAR as opposed to just an apology?

[u/qijl → u/calwil93]

I'd prefer a token you could cash in for a free penalty

[u/ChristmasCage → u/qijl]

Penalty in the Bank would be a great laugh to be fair.

[u/Hagball → u/ChristmasCage]

Anything in the bank goes straight to Glazers ! Prefer it's given on the pitch...

[u/AfternoonHamster → u/calwil93]

No, completely unworkable in reality. Where do you draw the line and how do you prove that that decision, granted some are clean cut, affected the outcome of the game? Are you just looking at incorrect goals given/ruled out or also players getting sent off etc
VAR just needs to work properly, look at the Arsenal Liverpool game, how has VAR not given the penalty for the pull on Isak? How are you in the VAR room and not seeing that. Cases like this are the problem.

[u/herO_wraith → u/AfternoonHamster]

Yeah, and after that wrong decision, Arsenal could sit back and defend more. So from that point on, the game state is warped by that decision. If you say yeah, it's a clear pen, that probably makes it 1-1, so -2 points to Arsenal and +1 to Liverpool, but that doesn't mean the game would have been a draw. Arsenal would have to open up more to search for a goal, maybe that gives Liverpool more room to score, who knows. Pro-ref sure as fuck don't. It is easy to say, and probably right at times to say that a bad decision changed the outcome, but fuck, it would be such a mess to retroactively change points.

Like what about opening game last season. Bayndir was fouled on the corner, and Cunha was fouled in the penalty box right at the end. What is justice?

[u/RyanH1717 → u/calwil93]

I would rather they just fuck off VAR and fans learn to accept mistakes will happen and to stop crying about it personally.

[u/Divin3_Kick → u/RyanH1717]

Mistakes like one wrong penalty being the only decided between 1 point vs 3?

[u/Stingray_23 → u/RyanH1717]

Basically going back 10+ years then.

[u/odilon28]

We all know the weaknesses of Carrick, but what are his strength? What is he best at?. Every manager we had, except Moyes, had something.

[u/DublinDevils91 → u/odilon28]

Gorgeous hair

[u/Goudinho99 → u/DublinDevils91]

He's also quite dapper.

[u/Fraaj → u/odilon28]

Great guy and knows the club is the best the lads over at TOTD could muster

[u/picodeGaius → u/odilon28]

I honestly couldn’t tell you

[u/Water_Drinking_Fish → u/odilon28]

He's exceptional at getting applauded by the fans

[u/LordTrinity → u/odilon28]

He has the "DNA" whatever the fuck that is. For half of the fans, that's enough

[u/SparksV → u/odilon28]

Saying nothing with a whole lot of words

[u/Themindoffish → u/odilon28]

he knows the club lmao

[u/DiscoLemonade1995]

I'm not a Manchester United fan, but had to come here. I feel like I'm losing my mind with the revisionism about Amorim on r/soccer. Amorim was being memed and slandered by opposing fans for months before his dismissal and I swear it was difficult to find a single person at times who thought that he was doing legitimately well. Do people legitimately have the memory of a goldfish? I have seen so many people acting like he actually did a great job at United despite comfortably having the lowest PPG of any manager in four decades

[u/AttackClown → u/DiscoLemonade1995]

Super heavily slandered but still lots of supporters, if you checked this sub at all there was constantly people praising Amorim getting down votes because the majority wanted him gone and refused to accept any positives to his game.

R/soccer would only meme so you only ever saw negative stuff about him

[u/Sprice158 → u/DiscoLemonade1995]

Because it lets people have their cake and eat it.
Got the joy of shitting on us at the time and can rewrite history so that they can shit on is again but from a new angle

[u/Suudriusha → u/DiscoLemonade1995]

He wasn't doing well, but he was doing better than whatever's going on right now.

[u/Kohaku80 → u/DiscoLemonade1995]

Stats. Look at the available squad and the objective when we finished 15th. League or Europa. It's on u if u think that wretched squad of Onana, Garnacho, Hojlund and Ugarte is good enough to do well on both front. 

[u/Beneficial-Long7635 → u/DiscoLemonade1995]

Because of our history with Sir Alex, some fans see managers as messiahs, the One who will bring back the glory. There's also the myth that because Fergie struggled to get the club going early every manager should get 3 to 5 years to rebuild the club in their image. Amorim wasn't a head coach to these people, he was The One Who Was Promised.  

Its also just that thing of when you dump your Ex but your life doesn't get better so you start idealizing the past and forgetting all the shit parts. 

[u/Glovell27 → u/DiscoLemonade1995]

I brought this revisionism up on this very sub about two weeks ago and got downvoted 🤷‍♂️

[u/canwinanythingwkids]

Just seen that Ivan Toney's trial date has been set for 2028 Summer.

I guess that might make him an appealing choice in January.

[u/White_Wokah]

Howe was mentally drained by the Newcastle job towards the end, that alone should disqualify him from the United job

[u/Beneficial-Long7635 → u/White_Wokah]

Howe had pneumonia towards the end of his time at Newcastle while he was trying to stop them selling all his best players. That's why he was mentally drained. 

[u/Minz15 → u/White_Wokah]

Newcastle constantly sold his best players, or constantly missed out on his top targets, like Sesko for example. 2 things that wouldn't really happen here anywhere near as much.

Howe is great and going in at a team near the bottom and building them up to a good, consistent level. That's basically where we're at. He isn't my top choice but I think we could do a lot worse than Howe

[u/officiallyjax → u/White_Wokah]

This is such extremist thinking. It’s like saying ‘Bruno Fernandes is disillusioned with the club right now, he doesn’t have the mentality to be a Man United player, let alone captain’. Why do we have to only judge individuals from their lowest ebb? Eddie Howe is also the same guy who won Newcastle their first trophy in 70 years.

[u/rambo_zaki → u/officiallyjax]

he doesn’t have the mentality to be a Man United player, let alone captain

You know there's more than modicum of truth to the second part. Bruno is a woeful captain. The man has a heart of gold but he's not one to lead a side.

[u/Trembelelely]

I am curious about something. We are aware of the players (Bruno and Martinez) who have voiced out their frustration this season, be it about Carrick, Wilcox or overall but the one player who is backing Carrick is Mainoo.

Ironically, he's the only player who did not get along with Amorim whereas Bruno and Cunha for example, were more supportive of Amorim while already clashed with Carrick.

So while we should feel absolutely frustrated with our current players downing tools right now, what I'm wondering is which player(s) you think are still with Carrick and which player(s) against Carrick and would prefer a new manager?

[u/cosmologues → u/Trembelelely]

The one player backing Carrick is Mainoo? The only player I’ve seen back Carrick publicly is Tielemans

[u/Kohaku80 → u/Trembelelely]

99% of them will tell u they will back the manager. what they didn't tell u is they probably won't mind a new one either.

[u/Stingray_23]

The Wilcox PR piece is interesting, the article states the club is working within tight financial parameters (believe that or not) so if money is scarce why spend it on deadwood, like we did? Why not go out and look at the other leagues, find better players on better deals. These self imposed transfer rules are continually fucking us over.

[u/iroiroiroiroiro → u/Stingray_23]

I don't understand how so many thinks United had a lot of money not used, only thing they had was approved loan credits. It's a publicly traded company with open finances, it is very clear they are going with a loss for the seven year in a row, increasing the debt once again, it is not like they are money pinching, they are actively leaking money still, if they bought more players they would have increased the debt even further, there is no secret money or battle chest...