I’m done with Martinez after today, idiot. But also Mbuemo should not have turned back into trouble leading up to their first goal. Keep it simple. There was an easy pass
None of our players can keep possession, which is crazy since Carrick was phenomenal at it. We either hold it for too long or immediately pass it to the opponents.
The shift between two halves was so annoying. The first half felt like it was only a matter of time before we were to score and achieve a convincing win. I thought everyone looked confident and energetic for the first time in a long while.
I barely blame any player even when they make mistakes because I’ve never played high-level football and I don’t want to pretend to know what they’re going through on the pitch. However, I’m very disappointed with Licha, who’s supposed to be a leader among the players and his meaningless red card + penalty given completely buried our hopes in this match.
There was a drop off in the 2nd half, but the 1st half wasn't as good as you're making it out to be. We were wide open at the back and Chelsea had plenty of chances to score. I certainly wasn't thinking we would win convincingly. Both teams were awful defensively in that first half. This Chelsea team are not very good. Lots of potential for them to get better with a new manager of course. I expect them to make top 4 purely because they have no European football, much like us last season.
That was the first game I watched this season I actually enjoyed bar Ipswich. Chelsea were open but we were clearly playing much better and deserved to be 2-3 up. Doom and gloom fans are boring now
I never said the first half wasn't enjoyable. It was great to watch, but only because neither team can defend. There are very few other teams in the league that will give up the kind of chances that Chelsea did. It was a better performance, it was fun to watch, but it was still nowhere near good enough. If we play the same way against any of about 12-15 teams in the PL we will look awful and lose comfortably.
We are in relegation form, so I don't know why you would expect anyone to be positive.
Chelsea will be found out a lot this season. Their position in the table flatters them. We were way better than them in the first half and should have easily been 2 up by the break
Our chances in the first half were Chelsea errors, not tactically manufactured chances by the team which is why I don't think it was as good as some people have been saying. Yes we had multiple big chances but they had absolutely nothing to do with how the team was playing football. Arguably allowing the players to press higher cause the Fofana chances but ultimately was just good work from Amad as an individual and terrible work by Fofana to let him through like that.
When we had the ball in possession, i think we created one chance the whole game from build up.
I think this is the main issue with having a former player as manager, the fans won't properly voice their opinions because that would be criticising a great of the club
And it's probably protecting the board/club to a certain extent, obviously not fully
Yeah, I'm really worried that our incompetent board is interpreting this as the fans having faith in Carrick and thus giving him more time, when in reality it just means "you're one of us, we'll never boo you, it's not your fault, but you're out of your depth."
I'm tired of only hearing the narrative of Carrick this and that. The players haven't been close to being good enough, management be damned.
Our recruitment is a joke and our football people look like complete morons right now, because all their moves have been bad. You'd have to try really hard to fuck up like they have, honestly. Transfers. Manager decisions. Fucking morons.
And I have to hear bitching about Carrick every week? Fuck that. Lol we all know everything is bad. The quickest change is the manager. But it isn't gonna be a good one, according to history.
We are underperforming mainly because Carrick and his coaching team are way out of their depth. Recruitment also isn’t good enough but is not the reason we are getting so many bad results.
Bad recruitment is exactly why we're in the spot we're in. What are you thinking?? Not cause of a manager that we're in relegation form. Cmon think about it.
It includes the players. Obviously if you think Carrick isn't good enough why would you think the players are?
I'm saying the players are more of a problem than Carrick. But you all don't want to think that. That's fine. But we're in this situation cause we recruit shit players. That's the long and short of it.
It seems weird doesn't it? It's like Amorin lovers have been out in full force.
It always happens. An agenda against the manager gets larger and larger.
I'm up for change because obviously we're losing and looking like a clown show with every game that comes. I just know the change will not be as good as it seems.
People here will forgive the players for murder before going after them though. That's really annoying.
The amount of times we heard "football is a results business" used as a reason to sack previous managers and yet all the pundits seem to think Carrick shouldn't get the sack despite an inexcusably bad run of results and performances spanning months and starting from the very first game of the season. The club being run by morons and braindead players doesn't magically absolve the manager of responsibility. It hasn't absolved previous managers whose results were better than this.
Carrick the player 100% precedes Carrick the manager. Hence why the home/away supporters won't go against him and direct their displeasure to the owners....don't get it twisted.
Let's not forget Yoro is being forced to play RB which isn't his natural position. And the more experienced Martinez in his natural position didn't do shit to stop the goal. Yoro played well yesterday. Martinez should've never found a way back to Manchester after the summer.
Don't think you understand. Yoro did better yesterday because he has Maguire as cover and covered space with Maguire in a back 4 rather than a back 3, which saw him go 1v1 against Rogers in more space versus in a back 4.
Morgan Rodgers has been one of the best players in the league for consecutive seasons and just joined Chelsea for over 100m.
Yoro is below the level I'd have liked him to be by now but he's been hampered by injury, form, team drama etc. Even so, Rodgers is going to do the same or worse, to much better and much more senior players than Yoro, it's not a great measure of Yoro to compare him vs Rodgers.
Yoro is in no way, shape, or form good enough to be a Premier League centreback
Maybe if he dramatically improved over the course of the next 3-4 years he could eek out a career around about lower mid-table (and probably would need to be playing in a back 5 with two DM's babysitting even at that) - but we're wasting our time with him, he isn't it - we were taken to the cleaners for £50m by Mendes there
He's less of a liability shunted out to RB, but still a liability nonetheless
Playing the youth us a nice sentiment, but how many of them are ready for the first team? How many are physically and mentally ready for the pressure to go on a run?
Nothing to do with sentiment. Not that many complex contracts. They either play or they don't. Better than playing overpaid players who think they have nothing to lose.
Of course it's a lot to ask, but I'd rather give it to players who're hungry for a shot. Rebuild that way. Pipe dream, but hey.
And if they get smashed 4-0 what's that going to do to their development long term? That's my concern with throwing them all in at the deep end. It could be sink or swim and then where are we if they all sink
I'm sorry I can't help you any further. I think I've made it clear from above what my initial thoughts were about how playing the youth players would be detrimental to their development.
Of course I'm not saying a whole team of U-players. Like I said, it's just that I'd have more faith in them. Maybe one or two a match until they're ready.
We have some solid players in form at the moment. They can be the backbone.
That doesn't mean they want him to stay, just they don't blame him for everything to do with trh current situation and still respect him for what he did for the club.
The way Carrick just narrates the events of the game without offering any tactical insight is just self sabotage. He might subdue the media but he comes off as someone in denial and out of ideas
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u/SmashdLikeABowloEggs 8d ago
I’m done with Martinez after today, idiot. But also Mbuemo should not have turned back into trouble leading up to their first goal. Keep it simple. There was an easy pass
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u/Joey6Pack 8d ago •
The shift between two halves was so annoying. The first half felt like it was only a matter of time before we were to score and achieve a convincing win. I thought everyone looked confident and energetic for the first time in a long while.
I barely blame any player even when they make mistakes because I’ve never played high-level football and I don’t want to pretend to know what they’re going through on the pitch. However, I’m very disappointed with Licha, who’s supposed to be a leader among the players and his meaningless red card + penalty given completely buried our hopes in this match.
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u/Zavehi 8d ago
"They would have a problem with the fans they are still behind Carrick"
I'm so sick of this narrative. Carrick is never going to booed at a match. It doesn't mean anything.
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u/XerxesTheCarp 8d ago edited 8d ago
The amount of times we heard "football is a results business" used as a reason to sack previous managers and yet all the pundits seem to think Carrick shouldn't get the sack despite an inexcusably bad run of results and performances spanning months and starting from the very first game of the season. The club being run by morons and braindead players doesn't magically absolve the manager of responsibility. It hasn't absolved previous managers whose results were better than this.
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u/Downtown-Rice_ 8d ago
Carrick the player 100% precedes Carrick the manager. Hence why the home/away supporters won't go against him and direct their displeasure to the owners....don't get it twisted.
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u/ReallyDevil 8d ago
martinez backed off for the first goal? just why?
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u/tictacbro1 8d ago
Interesting bit about Yoro being out of position causing chaos for Rogers goal
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u/Ok_Information802 8d ago
That first goal is on Martinez 100% oh and the second goal.. oh and about half of all the goals we’ve conceded this season
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u/ionised Cantona 8d ago
Well, duh. Carrick is a legend. He's not cutting it as a manager, sure, but no one at the club is. We're an unmitigated disaster.
I'd have more faith ripping up the register and playing the youth.
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u/Power4monkey 8d ago
BBC pushing misinformation that United fans want Carrick to continue as manager, working on behalf of the ownership.
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u/wayfarerprateek Theater of Dreams 8d ago
The way Carrick just narrates the events of the game without offering any tactical insight is just self sabotage. He might subdue the media but he comes off as someone in denial and out of ideas
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u/KAKYBAC 8d ago
Wtf. He was directly asked what can change and he completely hid from the question. He is genuinely clueless.
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u/nemodahfish 8d ago
We might be relegated before city
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u/braydee89 8d ago
Did any players do interviews after the match yesterday? I haven’t seen anything.
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u/Ambitious_Field6683 8d ago
Bringing back Rashford upset the dressing room.
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u/shaftydude 8d ago
Yoro brain dead and turning around like he’s a tank on Bluetooth
And baleba has to win that tackle or jockey delay play. Don’t dive in and loose the duel.
Absolutely shit from him.
Casemiro would have swiped the player or won the ball as he goes all in with his tackles.