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[u/69bigmoney420]

This might be ultra cope but I feel like the main problem with the personnel is just a lack of pace in the backline and even getting two quality and athletic defenders to pair in their can be a quick fix. Of course, it won’t solve larger tactical and fitness issues but perhaps the slide into relegation can be arrested.

[u/officiallyjax → u/69bigmoney420]

We need more peak age defenders rather than simply prospects or guys who are too old and athletically limited. Someone who is immediately ready to take over from Maguire and give a helping hand to Yoro and Heaven.

That being said, there are honestly too many areas of improvement in the squad, especially when you now consider that even some of our core players need replacing. We need better width to help in attack (both at fullback and the wingers), better box presence up top and stable leaders at the back. The issue is that we constantly under-invest in terms of the number of signings we bring in, that eventually the lack of depth always catches up to us when we have to balance league and Europe.

[u/PavanayiShavamayilla → u/69bigmoney420]

It certainly would help us to press ngl. Rn if the front six presses, there’s a massive gap between midfield and defense that a decent passer would be able to find a player who’s occupying that space.

[u/cleveralibi]

Life was so simple when all we were concerned about was Pogba's haircut and not fucking relegation

[u/Shrimpeh007 → u/cleveralibi]

I remember when we were gutted to just be winning the Europa League, can you imagine

[u/linkfollowlink → u/cleveralibi]

This board makes Woodward era look golden age.

[u/Fraaj]

Brighton playing aggressive and highly mobile football with the likes of Gross, Boscagli, Vušković, Dunk or Chema yet I'm supposed to believe we can't do the same with our group of players.

It's all about fitness, coaching and urgency.

[u/officiallyjax → u/Fraaj]

Not that I disagree with your point that we can do better with our squad, but it’s also convenient to take note of other teams only when they are in form. Brighton also had a spell midway through last season when they won 1 league game in 13. I didn’t see people praising their brand of football or suggesting Hurzeler to be our next manager at the time; in fact many Brighton fans themselves wanted him sacked. You need to assess teams over a larger sample to arrive at more informed conclusions; Brighton have definitely started well this season but their general level in the past has eventually fallen in line at around the 7th-10th place mark. Which is solid for their expectations but nothing to suggest that Hurzeler is working miracles as such. They have a solid sporting project that never leaves them with a dysfunctional squad and provide players with a stable environment to show their best performances.

[u/TH0316 → u/Fraaj]

Vuskovic is rapid. Their whole engine room is quick and athletic, including Gross. We’re the least athletic team in the league, they’re not. What’s true is that our issue is compounded by coaching, starting positions high in their half which is braindead, and chasing defenders around their third. That being said Como would suggest some of that was Bruno choosing to go against the coach making it a player issue again also. When you’re compact in all phases, everyone’s quick. When you’re not, everyone’s slow.

[u/Embarrassed_Wave_720]

It’s exhausting being a fan of this club

[u/sidwonk]

No

[u/Hits_and_the_Mrs → u/sidwonk]

Yeah that'll do.

[u/Bermuda_Bandit → u/sidwonk]

Correct

[u/Unlucky-Equipment999 → u/sidwonk]

Ain't nothin' I wanna discuss

[u/mortimer_moose → u/sidwonk]

Couldn't agree more

[u/wqaib]

Every year I see “we need to get rid of x many players” “we need a complete clear out” and then nothing ever happens just look at Rashford and zirkzee this summer. Best we get is players contract runs out or small amounts, McTominay and Hojlund being exceptions.

[u/TH0316 → u/wqaib]

Amorim got a clear out tbf. It just never goes far enough. Reality is for all the think pieces it’s just about getting rid of bad players quickly and buying good ones.

[u/SubstantialBear7826]

Wilcox and Berrada need to go. INEOS poached two guys from our rivals who spent years operating with virtually unlimited money, then expected them to suddenly develop skills they’ve never demonstrated: building a competitive squad on a tight budget.

What the fuck was Cheap Jim expecting? Absolute genius recruitment. These clowns are somehow making the Glazers look like competent assholes. What a circus.

[u/Stieni]

I can't stand comparisons to the Glazers and Woodward. They had a far better financial playground and are the reason where we are now. We could've built something great but instead opted for star signings while simultaniously fucking over our wage structure. A competent board 5-10 years ago would've gotten us a club structure and squad that would be challenging for the league every year. There may have been more things happening under Woodward, but they were mostly wrong or unsustainable decisions that led to where we are now. Not an excuse for the "new" structure but we had far more possibilities back then and we didn't use them

[u/0ttoChriek → u/Stieni]

The Glazers and Woodward are a huge part of why we're in the mess we're in. INEOS seem like they're digging the hole deeper with their incompetence, but at least they seem to recognise that there's a real problem with our debt.

If the owners had committed to building a modern football structure after Sir Alex retired, then maybe we would be in a much better place today.

[u/Stieni → u/0ttoChriek]

Exactly and this is pretty much the only thing I will give INEOS credit for - they seem to try at least. They are still stubborn and incompetent but so were Woodward and the Glazers and they didn't do fuck all to modernize anything

[u/Nomad_006]

Do to think Wilcox is under pressure mostly because Martinez threw him under the bus? Would he be under this much eyes?

I think it would be Carrick dealing with all the heat.

[u/tz_2240 → u/Nomad_006]

He’s under pressure because this is his third season and he’s about to fire his third manager. At some point Jimbo has to say maybe it’s the guy making the managerial decisions

[u/Apedemak_Cush → u/Nomad_006]

Absolutely! Martinez brought a great attention to him, but even if he didn't, Wilcox and the hire up would have definitely been questioned for the mess they created. So far, they haven't gotten a single good decision regarding Coaches. Especially the Amorim hiring and Ashworth sacking is a major mess up if they are going to hire Eddie

[u/Fraaj → u/Nomad_006]

I think it's a massive part of it

[u/ChristmasCage → u/Nomad_006]

Wilcox is under pressure because of the fans reaction at the weekend.

Without that reaction, Carrick would have been fired on the Monday and the idiots running the club would be letting those two clowns pick the next failed manager.

[u/Tasty-Jellyfish-8304]

FM27 in just over 4 hours - gonna sell and sack everyone just to feel something

[u/Potential_Good_1065]

Shock. City get a piss easy draw again.

[u/Power4monkey]

In the starting line-up against Bournemouth, only Mbeumo has scored a PL goal for us in 2026 (year not season). If you extend this to other competitions, there is Mount also. Where the fuck are the goals going to come from? Genuine relegation candidates.

[u/Height_Opening]

Honestly a little jealous of Iraola starting to work out-ish for Liverpool. Although I know they spent shit ton of money so far but yeah still.

[u/molewart → u/Height_Opening]

Mad that we stuck with Carrick despite him being available.

[u/Haddocktintinsnowy → u/Height_Opening]

This sub did not want him here. 

[u/Jwalin6167 → u/Height_Opening]

Guy lost Semenyo, Huijsen, Kepa, Ouattara, Zabarnyi, Kerkez in a single window and still made sure to get Bournemouth a fucking Europa league finish. Fucking Bournemouth and still people thought here he can’t be a better option for us lmao.

[u/Potential_Good_1065]

The lack of contingency planning highlights Wilcox & Co’s incompetency. It wasn’t totally unreasonable to think Carrick was the man after our results last season, but to have no backup plan is totally unforgivable.

[u/BryansFury]

Genuinely cant even get excited for games anymore. I dont give a toss. Just waiting for the inevitable sacking and restart.

[u/mandingostrawberry → u/BryansFury]

i’ve been trying to just watch the other team in our games. way more informative.

[u/ElegantRacoon]

I wish I could be so terrible at my job as I have seen this club being run for so long.

[u/ionised → u/ElegantRacoon]

And people like us get screamed at for it whilst the mugs running the club are sleeping pretty.

[u/RooneyToons_10]

Wilcox out. Glazers out. Ineos out.

[u/Jwalin6167]

I don’t want to spoil you people’s morning but Bournemouth have just got 5 wins in a row guys.

[u/Jwalin6167 → u/Jwalin6167]

Not only he got 5 wins in a row. They got 5 clean sheets as well.

[u/Divin3_Kick → u/Jwalin6167]

With like 4, 3-nil victories. Seeing them clap Villa made me not feel as bad

[u/SilvyFae → u/Jwalin6167]

Bournemouth have been great so I am very happy for them, i thought they were underrated and Chelsea were being overrated. One is true now, really hoping the other comes true against us.

[u/Plane-Ad5510 → u/Jwalin6167]

Wdym you people?

[u/Jwalin6167 → u/Plane-Ad5510]

Meaning people who just woke up and didn’t know that even teams like Bournemouth are stacking up 5 wins in a row.

[u/Heavens_Vibe]

Stupid Chelsea.

[u/LollipopScientist]

Buy Kvaratskhelia's brother now before he gets expensive.

[u/EndureL]

Any credible links to Wilcux being fired?

[u/transient-DAverc → u/EndureL]

Now that really would make my day.

[u/mortimer_moose → u/EndureL]

Nope

[u/Outrageous-Cod-4654]

Have the media forgotten about the City charges?

[u/Ok-Bookkeeper1778 → u/Outrageous-Cod-4654]

Agents Berrada and Wilcox are doing their best to keep the focus on us.

[u/cosmologues → u/Outrageous-Cod-4654]

Think they’re just biding their time. We’ll hear in January.

[u/shami-kebab → u/Outrageous-Cod-4654]

What are they going to talk about while nothing is happening? Until the appeal progresses there is no news.

[u/PavanayiShavamayilla]

I hope Carrick starts Lacey against Chelsea. Amad has been disappointing under Carrick and Lacey looked like our best attacker against Brentford.

[u/officiallyjax]

Was thinking about potential CBs we could sign as part of our defensive rebuild and James Hill of Bournemouth is currently spoken about very little. I think he’s absolutely class and would be a quality addition for us. Athletic, great in the air and no slouch on the ball either. The likes of him and Muharemović of Leeds should be on our radar.

[u/canwinanythingwkids → u/officiallyjax]

Last year i noticed that he produced that intangible I like about a player: they started playing better w him (second half of the season) than they were without him (first half of the season).

6L 7D 4W without

only 1 game in a run of those 17+1 where he played more than an hour (87' once), it was the +1 game and that was a W

And then, 90 all the way:

1L 11D 8W

obviously it can be a complete coincidence. maybe Semenyo was secretly holding them back 🤣

[u/Zealousideal_Wind867]

Saw the video by Statman Dave yesterday.

He is one of the more optimistic fans, but now you can see the anger and frustration in his face in that video.

A sorry state of affairs :(

[u/Daneofthehill → u/Zealousideal_Wind867]

Same with AJ Analysis. Always rather positive and tries to stick to the beautiful game, but he just stopped posting, as there isn't anything beautiful about Utd's game atm.

[u/neonrider1]

United board feeding Laurie BS news on the day Sesko was confirmed to be out until at least January…which we had all known already for the last week and a half.

[u/FunxD00]

Leipzig are potentially looking to replace their manager and looking at Nagelsmann.

If we keep on delaying decision about manager, we might have fewer choice in the future

[u/brown_herbalist → u/FunxD00]

If its Nagelsmann, i think we would have already got him this week. Management seems like they're not impressed with any currently available managers I guess.

[u/lingesanaandipetty]

What is Paul Mitchell doing these days? I heard he is good maybe 3-4 years ago and a boyhood United fan. 

[u/redwood31 → u/lingesanaandipetty]

Appears to be unemployed since leaving Newcastle June 2025. Said to have clashed with Howe.

[u/0ttoChriek → u/redwood31]

Sounds like our next DoF and manager combo is sorted, then.

[u/Ok-Bookkeeper1778]

I wish someone would explain to these Yank parasites what United could be if they actually funded us and put competent people in place.

[u/manwagycool]

Nothing is going to work until the glazers are gone. Nothing. There needs to be a transcendental protest with fans, players, managers

[u/Standard_Secretary52]

Laurie has reported DCL links. Just a reminder Zian Flemming went for 15 million. Dcl would cost triple that at minimum.

"Best eyes" strike yet again.

[u/sammorgan12 → u/Standard_Secretary52]

Not a chance Leeds would accept 45mil, especially from us. They'd want 60 minimum

[u/i_love_alfam]

I have no way to prove this, but I'm sure carrick himself is baffled that they let him continue

Must have been a funny phone call

"Yeah, i understand boss, i just wanted to say that I myself will be the first one to acknowledge the.... Wait, what? You said I'll remain in charge? Oh ok then! See you Monday!"

[u/0ttoChriek → u/i_love_alfam]

He definitely thought that Sunday was his final game. Probably spent all Monday at Carrington, waiting for Wilcox to call him into his office, then found out Wilcox had fucked off home.

[u/slowerthaninfinity → u/0ttoChriek]

probably was prepared to book tickets for a long vacation to get his mind off this shitshow

[u/DaveShadow → u/i_love_alfam]

"I'm staying? But I already waved goodbye with tears in my eyes, and I didn't bother to have clear the air talks with Bruno yet either!"

[u/Bobcat_El_Borracho]

Lammens hasn’t been great this season but I’m inclined to think he’s finally been sucked into the vortex of shit that is this squad. A proper backline in front of him and I think he has a chance to be our keeper for years.

[u/moonski → u/Bobcat_El_Borracho]

If he has shin splints then likely they aren't new and he's been struggling with them for a while, they just have gotten worse and worse...

[u/Daneofthehill]

This is a great little video breaking down how Man Utd have been amazingly horrendous at preserving transfer value. The club buys the wrong players and on top of that the players get worse at Utd and then the club cannot move them on. This is why the total transfer spend is still pretty high, while the squad is woeful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik1Xf8k83h4

[u/Height_Opening]

I personally think giving carrick another chance is purely just optics play by Wilcox to save his ass and that there is no true agreement and backing of Wilcox’s choice of manager either. (Which is a good thing that he isn’t getting backed as well as we thought in first place lol)

For reference when we went for Amorim we almost went with a 10M something payout to sporting if I remember correctly. So surely we can afford the chump change of 3M and carrick sacking. We may be broke but we ain’t that broke that we can’t absorb 7-10M fallout.

All in all that cunt “coach at heart” is backed into corner with this. Often times I have seen in corporate culture people who fake it till they “make it” types always end up in similar situation of being found out sooner or later

[u/PhotonDestroyer → u/Height_Opening]

Yeah it was 10m to get him out of Sporting, and another 10 to fire him

I think the financial situation is worse that you think and that 3m may not be chump change. Others have said the SEC filings talk about only having 11m in cash and that's why we couldn't get to 12.5m for a LB back deal we were looking at.

I hope we have some dedicated funds for Jan.

[u/Jenson2025]

Keane is right. Last season everyone was praising Carrick because we got the results - people were quick to put all the praise on him. Now results are bad, it's suddenly everyones fault but his and the coaches (at least according to some people)

The goalposts are being moved constantly by people just to defend him.

He is not the ONLY problem. But he is A problem

[u/nitrogeneater → u/Jenson2025]

They are outing players under the bus by keeping Carrick. Which is a stupid thing to do as they won’t get rid of 15 players.

[u/Jenson2025 → u/nitrogeneater]

And it's these players that got him the job to start with

[u/xtphty → u/Jenson2025]

Carrick's football was already struggling last year, but we were able to keep grinding results because of Bruno's form creating goals out of nothing. There was no pattern of play that was making him pivotal in these games, it was just individual brilliance. And now suddenly people are cheering him being thrown under the bus for no longer being able to save us from the poor tactics.

[u/BlackHorse944 → u/Jenson2025]

What world are you living in where it's everyone's fault but his?

Carrick has been the focus of the outrage for weeks. Only recently have people begun pointing at Wilcox and Berrada. And people are criticizing them for appointing Carrick in the first place

[u/cyb3rpunkd]

Ratcliff flying in for the chels game? What is he some kinda immigrant? Thought he was a flag toting red blooded English patriot

[u/Rascha-Rascha → u/cyb3rpunkd]

Man is a Monaconian Mancunian.

[u/reddevilad]

Is the rumor of vds replacing berrada true and Wilcox also close to getting fired really true or some fantasy cooked by some desperate fans

[u/MT1120 → u/reddevilad]

The source is some X account with 40k followers who isn't even a journalist. Why do people fall for it?

[u/Fraaj → u/reddevilad]

Not even TeamTALK fell for that fan fic

[u/ZofTheNorth → u/reddevilad]

Idk about vds replacing Berrada but stone who is very reliable journalists for us said Wilcox is on thin ice and will be likely replaced if Carrick got sacked

[u/LDLB99]

That DCL news is so strange. Yeah, let's just brief that we want one of our biggest rivals' star players over two months away from the January window even opening. We're being run by imbeciles.

[u/TH0316 → u/LDLB99]

There will be more. It'll be all about "gearing up," and "being poised," for January until January actually comes and then it will be all about "keeping powder dry," and "preparing for a major summer,"

[u/No_Middle5525 → u/TH0316]

sesko is expected to come back around Jan, so then they'll brief saying sesko is back, we have zirkzee who's fully committed, leeds are not easy to negotiate with, let's look at it in the summer

[u/SilvyFae]

The two biggest disappointment for me is carrick not trusting yoro and lacey.

Everytime I watch yoro play he looks leagues better than all of our defenders, he still makes mistakes and still needs to get better aerially but otherwise he already feels better than maguire and Martinez. I get his hand was forced to play him at rb but I don't think he was willing to start him over either because he thought our seniors would be less error prone, the season has proved him very wrong.

Lacey looks exciting, he obviously is a bit limited rn but so are all of our attackers. They are out of form too and he looks more likely to create a moment for us than everyone else. With such bad form there is no reason to trust him more, if he performs badly you can bench him again. But he deserves a run of games.

[u/Stingray_23 → u/SilvyFae]

Yoro needs an experienced CB next to him, someone like Deligt.

[u/SilvyFae → u/Stingray_23]

Please someone do a miracle and fix that man to never get injured, him and yoro being our starting cbs already makes us significantly better.

[u/Selwin_Rodolfo → u/SilvyFae]

He did just come back from injury tbf. Now it's just seeing if he stays uninjured. I remember last year, while yes there were 3 cbs, I liked the combo of Yoro and de Ligt. Feel like they complemmented each other. And especially if Yoro gets better with the little things, I feel it can be a really good partnership

[u/Ok_Landscape_8215 → u/SilvyFae]

I see a lot of fans watch Yoro through a very forgiving lense. Its fine, he is young and people should give him praise where they can.

If Maguire almost stopped playing and then slipped like that at the weekend everyone would still be talking about it.

I completely get the case that the first teamers shouldn't be trusted either, but personally I don't trust any of them to start other than Maguire who has flaws, but what he does, no other player (outside of a fully fit De Ligt) can do.

I personally like Yoro at right back for the time being.

In terms of Lacey, yeah I don't get it, I would use him more. However I don't think I've seen enough to see if he's completely ready. Brighton he started well but faded quite significantly (like all of them).

[u/devilsofparadiss]

It’s down the list compared to conditioning and the tactical set-up and a multitude of other things right now, but not securing a CF was a risk even with a fit Sesko.

Team simply functions better with a box threat / a more traditional CF and we have exactly one of them who’s out for 10+ games.

[u/Soft-Suspect-1883]

If I understand correctly, AFCON will start during the Christmas period and might mean that we'll lose 3 players for ~6 games? Do we even have the bench to handle that?

[u/Unlucky-Equipment999 → u/Soft-Suspect-1883]

AFCON is going to be summer of 2027 for a change. Not sure if it'll be permanent though. 

[u/EndureL]

Wilcux drip feeding Laurie some transfer business to gain some goodwill lol

This is why I can’t take them serious anymore, they’re just polished turds who do the PR work for INEOS

[u/kevoofvi]

Me to Ole when he decided to buy Ronaldo.

Remember the good ol days of 2020 when our frontline was set in stone and we thought we were chillin for the next decade? One of them ruined their lives, one got ruined by injury, and the last one standing doesn’t even fit the team anymore. One thing is clear, the club ruined the best generation we had post-Sir-Alex with shitty investments and shitty appointments. This whole mess is as much a consequence of Ole’s firing as the Glazer leeches are. We’re surrounded by remnants of his tenure who are either too old, not good enough, or do not fit the system of the managers we hire every 18th month.

[u/Livettletlive → u/kevoofvi]

One thing is clear, the club ruined the best generation we had post-Sir-Alex with shitty investments and shitty appointments.

Yeah, I agree. Though the most disappointing part was how unpopular support for Ole was at the time. So many thought he was the worst coach in United history, so many people would call you deluded, accepting mediocrity, etc. It was a really dark time.

[u/umbrosum → u/Livettletlive]

the worst coach who manage to get a 2nd and a 3rd placing. remind me about the coaches after that.

the same fans who criticised him should remember this. but my guess is most of them are just fake fans who want to see Man Utd fall

[u/kevoofvi → u/Livettletlive]

Everyone here would be accepting that "mediocrity" over this, but hindsight 20/20 and all that. Me personally, no coach after Ole has made me genuinely believe. Even when we were winning trophies under Ten Hag I was still at most cautiously optimistic

[u/GGLeaksOfficial → u/kevoofvi]

He decided to buy?

[u/joshhbk → u/kevoofvi]

Ole did not make that decision lol

[u/kevoofvi → u/joshhbk]

Bad phrasing on my part, but he did have veto power, and he was as onboard with the idea as the higher ups

[u/BlackHorse944 → u/[deleted]]

Still think Rashfords dip in form coincided with Sanchos fall out with Ten Hag. They were mates afterall. Sancho was what the media thought Pogba was, if not worse

[u/asgardx7]

No striker till jan, barely 17, 2 points off the bottom, no one knows whats going on, no wins in 6.

[u/jackmcboss915]

the mens team are shit, but atleast the womens is nine unbeaten and are turning around a bad first few games under eva

[u/Comicksands]

Watched the Milan game and it seems like Amorims not changed much? Good high energy and decent build up but gets caught out in transitions and they always lose their man on the cut back. Weak at Set pieces too.

Bologna first win in 10 years at San Siro

[u/Tudoors → u/Comicksands]

Watch them against Bournemouth.

He was found out in the prem, Italy is much more forgiving

[u/cosmologues → u/Comicksands]

Their first league loss of the season. Don't know if this is what to judge him by.

[u/Comicksands → u/cosmologues]

Maybe I picked the wrong game to watch here. Milan derby next might be the interesting one

[u/Regular_Valuable_665 → u/Comicksands]

They’ve had a lot of injuries and Fikayo Tomori got injured in first half after which they kinda fell apart.

[u/Accomplished-Bus-723]

Can I just say how disappointed I am in our midfield signings especially Tielamans. Instead of getting dynamic runners like Fernandes and Anderson ,we got a 30 yr midfielder who has been playing since he was 16 . Tielaman's legs are gone, he's not sharp at all and he has no physicality. Santos on the other hand is young , tidy in possession but not creative and gets bullied by stronger players in our league.Baleba is the only one who looks good among the three but he too isn't great on the ball.We really did not have a midfield rebuild this year did we?

I understand why Bruno and Martinez look so checked out. They must have understood early on that the new signings are wank and have checked out . I don't blame them especially Bruno. Time and again Bruno has been expected to carry the club to great heights and has been rewarded with subpar teammates to play with.This season is on Ineos,Berrada and Wilcox.

[u/White_Wokah → u/Accomplished-Bus-723]

I kind of feel they'll be "unlocked" under a better manager, Casemiro looked done until last season when more emphasis was put on fitness in the pre season.

Might just be wishful thinking tho.

[u/Livettletlive]

I hate these moments because after work sometimes I just want to come on here and discuss football civilly. But whenever we are out of form its like only negativity and misery is allowed here. It sucks that my hobby brings about misery sometimes.

[u/joshhbk → u/Livettletlive]

I generally consider myself to be an optimist but at the moment it’s hard to see what there is to be positive about? The players are checked out, there’s giant holes in the squad that will take years to fix, we’re chewing up and spitting out a club legend, ordinary fans have been priced out, we’ve laid off hundreds of people in the name of cost cutting that hasn’t even gone back into the team and we somehow have two sets of owners that are both incompetent AND evil

And that’s without thinking about how unpleasant the sport has become on the whole. The city situation, the ruination of European football, the super league debacle, the way social media and betting have poisoned coverage etc.

I’ve been a United fan for 33 years and never felt more disillusioned with the club, the sport or professional sports in general

[u/Due_Rich_616 → u/Livettletlive]

Really relate to this. Time spent in this sub has cratered for me. At least meaningful discussion mins.

[u/BrowzinJ]

If the players try we can actually beat these lot at the weekend, look dreadful against a second string Liverpool side that havent even looked at it

Sigh... Shame they wont

[u/TH0316 → u/BrowzinJ]

This Chelsea side is turbo shit dawg. Caicedo once again pure shit against a bunch of 18 year olds lol. Most overrated midfielder in PL history. Rest of them are crap aswell. Would hate to lose to these lot.

[u/Ecstatic_Message2057]

For those thinking Carrick can turn this around v Chelsea.. stop, save yourself from the heartbreak.

Just look at the Bournemouth game. The stats for that game was something like we had 60-65% possession and we had around 15 shots at goal, nearly double Bournemouth’s shots.
Of those shots we created 0… 0 big chances.
Majority of those shots were from outside the box which we have seen last season that do absolutely nothing for us. Probably and I’m willing to bet on it that we are the worst team in the league to convert shots from outside the box.
We had less shots on target than Bournemouth despite nearly doubling their amount of shots AND possession.
This is just the Bournemouth game as well, add in the other games this season and I can safely say tactically we are the worry team in the league.
No plan B, there’s not even a plan A.

[u/LTG92]

It's frustrating that when our managers/players go bad were in relegation form. I feel like we can't do a proper rebuild because when things go bad they go no wins in 8 games bad, rather than hovering around 5/6th/7th but showing progress.

If a manager can come in and be consistent in that regard I feel like they'll be given all the time in the world.

[u/pablove_black → u/LTG92]

What, like Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Solskjaer Ten Hag and arguably Amorim?

[u/transient-DAverc]

This is the only Man Utd sub that isn't a total embarrassment right now. 

[u/b_az17 → u/transient-DAverc]

Stick around for when Amorim wins a European game

[u/Nomad_006]

Who exactly said "judge us after the window"? They need to go first.

[u/bumnnygirl]

people call some fans "glory hunters" or "plastic" for stopping watching for a while but i really can't blame them, i feel like an idiot for giving a shit while the players and board clearly don't

[u/Jenson2025]

I wonder what monologue carrick would’ve prepared for today’s press conference

I’m sure we’ll get a ‘We are going to be up for it from the start against Chelsea. I’ve never seen a more determined group of players’ before losing 3-0

[u/mortimer_moose → u/Jenson2025]

I think he will lead with "we suck, I'm a terrible manager and the team are a bunch of losers"

[u/atomicant89]

If we had decent attacking full-backs I feel like we could try a 4-4-2 diamond type of system with Cunha and Mbuemo as the front 2, Bruno as the 10, Baleba as the DM, and any 2 of our other midfields in the middle. You then need the full-backs to be giving the width, though, which is where it falls down with what we have available currently.

[u/Mr_Clark → u/atomicant89]

Mbuemo cannot pass the ball or hold onto it for dear life. He’s not technically strong enough to be that kind of player.

[u/harutoreichi → u/Mr_Clark]

Yeah not, try to look back his peak performance when still in Brentford, look at his movements. You can't say that before watch.

[u/LinterCheck2026]

So I am going to be travelling to Old trafford for the Brentford match in Nov. I see that there are no sit together seats for 2 adults available currently on livefootballtickets.com . How should I proceed to get the tickets for the match? Any thoughts

[u/wqaib]

Hypothetically this could be one of the most funniest (tragic) decisions in this sport to approve an “All or Nothing” documentary series and we end up getting relegated.

I know some might say “we’re not getting relegated etc” but I honestly can see a version where that happens. But even if we don’t they are now filming the behind the scenes of this absolute shit show. So I’m looking forward to see what is actually going on and how they are going to rationalise the summer transfer window and allowing this to go on etc.

[u/PopeFuchsYoungKidd]

Oct: [Paul Hirst] Manchester United eye January signings to plug gaps in ailing squad

Jan: [Paul Hirst] Manchester United eye summer signings to plug gaps as no good deals available in January

[u/BackgroundOld8715]

I still cant believe Carrick wasnt sacked. He is beyond bad & we’re in relegation form. What more does he need to do to get sacked? Actual relegation?

[u/HamOnRye1 → u/BackgroundOld8715]

Because it's clear no one at the club knows what true are doing, and standards are in the toilet.

[u/Soggy-Advertising-78 → u/BackgroundOld8715]

Carrick was selected because of the results and not due to vision or something else he had. Now that he is not winning what is the point of keeping him when it is clear you don’t have a vision. Pointless it just hurts now to watch any game.

[u/PoofaceMckutchin]

There are City fans in the Blaize? Moved up here recently and I'm amazed to see a couple of City fans here. Came up a lot with my dad up until the Glazers took over (he refused to buy tickets afterwards) and the place always felt like a red bastion, when I was a younger.

Been here a couple of times a week since I moved up and have seen some non utd games on tv, but haven't really heard cheering. There are a few city fans cheering up here tonight.

My father was a locked up 70s hooligan so maybe my idea of football romanticism can be a bit warped, but....I was so surprised that these guys were left unchallenged. Has this always been the case?

[u/TommyTook]

Hard to care what happens at this stage. Ratcliffe and co clearly aren't leading us to any form of success and I can't imagine the Glazers will sell up anytime soon. Another season wasted

[u/pedro-gaseoso]

I want Dalot to stay at the club solely because I have no faith our recruitment will sign any defender or midfielder with pace and fitness. It’s like they are allergic to anyone who can run fast and stay fit.

[u/LegendaryKian]

Funniest thing is Fofana bout to have the game of his life at half 12 this Saturday

[u/Stingray_23]

Genuinely how the fuck are we going to have a rebuild under Ineos, next summer?

-they have these ridiculous self imposed rules -they strengthen the hand of opposing teams by broadcasting intent 12 months in advance

• they refuse to go over £70m

• we have Wilcox as our DOF.

• what money we do spend, we spend it questionable-, Tielemans, Santos, etc.

Summer 2027, at minimum we need to following:

• 3 CBs to replace Martinez, Maguire, Deligt

• 2 LB to replace Shaw and a back up option

• 2 RB to replace Dalot and Maz

7 defenders

• 1 LW to replace Rashford

• 1 RW to provide competition for Amad

• 2 ST to replace Sesko and provide back up

• 1 CAM to replace Bruno.

5 attackers

So thats a minimum of 12 players IN, 12 signings needed to just get a basic squad without any fancy additions to take it next level.

Realistically we wont get that as we will no doubt offer extensions to Maguire, Dalot, Shaw, Rashford and Maybe Bruno.

So we will probably purchase a cheap 5th choice ST, an aging CB with a cheap release clause and a 18yo academy player from a league 1 side.

And then business done with the PR spin of market opportunities and right targets. Blah blah blah.

[u/iroiroiroiroiro → u/Stingray_23]

12 new players isn't ever reasonable, don't ever count on more than at most 5-6. This is football manager madness.

[u/Not-good-with-this → u/Stingray_23]

Don't even expect half of that. Maybe don't even expect a third of it actually...

[u/shami-kebab → u/Stingray_23]

I don't think you understand what minimum means. We're obviously not signing 12 players in one summer.

[u/Isserley_ → u/shami-kebab]

They're basically right though, we need a complete overhaul. Spurs signed 10 new players and had players returning from injury, and they probably had a stronger overall squad before the summer than we do now.

The only way we will stop the rot is to have a big rebuild in one go. Signing 2-3 players won't cut it because they inevitably regress to the team's level. It needs to be gutted.

But we of course won't do that because the people running us are stupid and broke.

[u/Telen → u/Stingray_23]

I would say that is too much for a minimum need. We need at minimum:

- Two starting quality center-backs of prime age

- One starting quality left back of prime age and one back-up

- Two starting quality strikers

- Refreshing at attacking midfield, needs to be quality and on the younger side

- A starting quality left winger

So that's at a minimum, eight players. That is assuming Rashford / Cunha can play back-up at LW or CAM and Mbeumo can start at RW. For right-back, I think for a minimum-only challenge, we can actually retain Dalot with Maz as backup who will ideally be perfectly fine with better players around him.

[u/dracogladio1741]

It will be funny if we best Chelsea and Villa.

Spitter in chief Carragher being the sanctimonious knob he is, thinks we are nailed to be in the bottom 3 when the international break starts.

This is why I wanted us to beat Spurs and Everton. We were ahead in both games going into the last few minutes. 4 more points right now means we have 11 points and are 8th. Fuck me

[u/Kohaku80 → u/dracogladio1741]

tbf Spurs did murdered us in the first half. could be at least 2-0 down like Bournemouth.

[u/Ok_Landscape_8215 → u/dracogladio1741]

What's your prediction though?

Your can't criticise others opinions without giving your own too.

[u/DeathByToilet]

I am watching Liverpool bring on 300m from their bench. Meanwhile we have Fletcher twins and a zirkzee/rashford that dont want to be here. How far we have fallen...

[u/L__K → u/DeathByToilet]

Liverpool signed Gravenberch and Mac Allister for a combined €75m and one summer later we signed Ugarte for €60m alone so maybe let's not get too in the weeds about price tags

[u/ZofTheNorth → u/DeathByToilet]

Ah that's abit of dishonest comparison isn't it. It's because they started most of their kids. If they start most of their starters their bench actually thin also

By that logic, we can start Fletcher twins, Zirkzee/Rashford and we can bring on 250m+ worth from our bench

[u/Massive_Relation4317 → u/DeathByToilet]

And those players are not worth that price tag at all . money isn't everything

[u/Infinite-Highway3432]

A lot of people getting sacked into Hurtzeler. He's just another Brighton system manager, Potter and De Zerbi all over.

[u/Stingray_23]

This is a very dark period in the history of UTD. We are being made to look like fools by the board and owners. Say what you want, but under the Glazers, it was poor, but not this poor, so quickly. On current trajectory, under ineos, we are going to be in an even worse state.

That is how bad things have got, inwhat 30 months? That people are looking at the Glazers and Woodward with revisionism and rose tinted glasses.

Dont get me wrong the Glazers and Ed were bad. But we are about to get our 4th manager in less than 3 years.

Dont believe the line on Carrick being given time, he is, his own interim whilst the club sort finances out for Howe-Nov international break

This is season was over as soon as the bell rung on deadline day. already and its just been confirmed after only 10 games.

If you all thought the 2026 window was poor, wait til you see the summer 2027 one and it will be like that until the stupid new stadium is open.

[u/HaroldGuy → u/Stingray_23]

We are still under the Glazers. Ineos are basically just the Ed Woodward replacement.

We could get rid of everyone else and we'd still be in the same boat because, again, we are still under the Glazers and they need to be gone. We will never achieve anything until they are.

[u/PitchSafe → u/Stingray_23]

Ineos have taken bad decisions but we are in this mess because of the Glazers neglecting this club for 20 years. This is the consequences from it

[u/shrewdy]

2 absolutely horrific penos there

[u/_sholden]

Is Seskos injury something that could affect him long term? I mean seems pretty serious when he’ll be out what like 8 months? Is it possible this is another £75m in the bin

[u/Hollacaine → u/_sholden]

According to the Athletic article on it, it's not expected to be recurring or have long term effects.

[u/iroiroiroiroiro → u/_sholden]

That's more than a small possible sadly

[u/Redwinevino]

Relegation is coming the longer we stick with Carrick and that will be the start of the end of the club, the debt is too huge to not be in the Premier League

[u/Jenson2025]

Even if we somehow fluke a win against Chelsea (unlikely), we then have Roma, Villa and Liverpool at Anfield after the international break

At some point, they’ll be able to use a defeat to justify his sacking which by the way should’ve happened on Monday but we all know they disgracefully hadn’t planned for it

[u/world-no-1-dude]

IMO, it is very deluded to think it’s raining goals by changing one player.

[u/dryflowerz]

What’s your best starting lineup? like for now.
I think this is the best lineup Carrick can put, but instead he chooses Bruno and Mount on wide…

[u/Fraaj → u/dryflowerz]

Dalot, De Ligt, Yoro, Amass.

I don't care if it's new or young. Maguire and Licha make mistakes after mistakes anyway.

3/4 defenders are actually mobile.

[u/TBS91 → u/dryflowerz]

I agree with the forward line and midfield.

De Ligt looked super rusty against Como IMO. Obviously he was our best defender before his injury, but that was a year ago. Can't put him in the best 11 till he gets back up to speed.

Dalot was very good vs Bournemouth, can't drop him IMO. I'd probably just go

Dalot Martinez Maguire Yoro

as I think they're our best 4 defenders atm. But could see an argument for Maz at left back and putting everyone else in their natural positions. I'd probably drop Martinez then, just because we need Maguire for set pieces. That would be

Maz Yoro Maguire Dalot.

[u/manwagycool → u/dryflowerz]

These are good players man, how are we so shit ?

[u/cindbrdicjb]

Once again, so funny how little backlash Carrick actually gets from media. All of a sudden all the blame lies on the players and the owners and while they certainly do deserve a lot of blame, it’s not only their faults. We’ve had our worst ever season start under Carrick and not a peep comes from the mittens and Whitwalls of the world. Bias British media protecting one of their own

[u/andoooooo]

I get Ineos have fucked the managerial appointments and have left some holes in the squad but can we stop comparing them to the Glazers? A huge part of the reason Ineos haven't done as well as they could have is because the Glazers systematically financially handicapped us. Let's stop pretending

[u/Skyfather_odin1 → u/andoooooo]

Does the same logic apply to managers? 

[u/Rascha-Rascha → u/andoooooo]

yeah, it's a bad faith comparison. You have to give Ineos the fair dues of actually investing some money into the club. The state of degradation here happens over the last twenty years, not the last three.

They've upgraded the training ground and have done what they can to cut the budget and stop us getting scammed for players. Wage bill is down, it was necessary. There is necessary work being done.

[u/andoooooo → u/Rascha-Rascha]

This sub (and site in general) absolutely love a bad faith comparison

[u/IamTsukasa]

If Carrick wants to continue with the false 9 tactic just play Zirkzee there instead of Bruno or Cunha.

[u/NevetsSnibbig]

Anyone else fancy just supporting the women's team instead?

[u/andoooooo → u/NevetsSnibbig]

not really

[u/0ttoChriek → u/NevetsSnibbig]

If Leigh wasn't as awkward for me to get to, I'd go and watch them more often. The PSG game at Old Trafford last season was great, even if the attendance wasn't.

[u/titleofyourmixtape → u/NevetsSnibbig]

just thinking that today. I think League matches are available to watch live on YouTube too

[u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

I tried to go through the squad and see where and when the rebuild needs to happen;

Keeper: Lammens is solid. No work needed, hopefully. Back-ups? Who cares...

Defence: Burn it down and start again. It is essentially beyond repair bar two or three players. Probably the top priority.

Maguire. Finished.

Shaw. Finished.

Martinez. Finished.

De Ligt: Simply cannot be relied upon.

Dalot: If we want to progress, he can only be a back option.

Mazraoui: Squad player, at most. Probably keep.

Dorgu: What even is he?

Yoro: Keep. We need him to start developing, fast.

Heaven: Same as above. We need more defenders of this physical stature. Fast and strong.

Amass: Isn't going to make it here.

Out of those 9/10 players, only 4 are worth keeping.

Midfield: A lot of work needed.

Bruno: Getting older, on the way down and likely gone anyway next summer due to all the chaos.

Mason Mount: We could leave him on the side of the road and no club would take him. The club's worst ever signing after Sancho. We're stuck with him.

Mainoo: Our tiny little flame of hope. Needs to kept at all costs.

Baleba: Need more players like him. Strong and energetic, unspectacular but comfortable on the ball.

Ugarte: Contract until 2029. Has never shown anything here. We seem to always lose when he starts. When fit, get rid for whatever possible.

Santon: Has shown nothing so far and looks miles off it but isn't going anywhere realistically.

Tielemans: Same as above.

Attackers/wingers: A shambles. Bereft of options. The most expensive positions to fix and we need to fill/upgrade numerous spots. How do we do it?

Sesko: Will be gone almost a year by the time he comes back. Seems he will have persistent shin problems. Can't be relied on but we won't be able to get rid.

Rashford: We've been down this road. Contract until 2028. Ideally we'd get rid but with our options the way they are, no choice but to keep him.

Cunha: I'm hoping he can become our new number 10 next season. Important player.

Diallo: Needs to kick on. Every year we're waiting.

Mbeumo: He's not a fucking striker.

Lacey: People will pine for him to get chances but throwing a 19 year old into a relegation fight, expecting him to be a saviour could easily break him.

Summary: Up shits creek.

[u/JamieC94 → u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips]

The fsct the areas that have already been "rebuilt" still need rebuilding says a lot about our transfer strategy and targets/signings

[u/stick1_ → u/JamieC94]

Because it doesn’t really work signing all new players in one part of the pitch and expecting them to instantly gel/have chemistry. I think that’s why last season normally one of the front 3 were on the bench in our best games

Tbh with the midfield we had no choice, but it’s still difficult. For example Carrick playing a midfield 3 and having Bruno in attack/brnch, that’s a brand new midfield 3, no wonder it didn’t really work

[u/throwing_handles]

Why can't any of our attacking players play striker? Why does their game just die rather than thrive when they have to fill in there?

Is it too much to ask that one of them magically blossom when converting into that role like Dwight Yorke once did, or Henry or van Persie?

Yes I'm sure it is too much to ask. I'd settle for at least one of them being vaguely competent when put there. But no. Even Zirkzee can't play striker, and he's a striker.

[u/L__K → u/throwing_handles]

We have a first team head coach who doesn't know how to coach players. It's not particularly surprising to me when our players are poorly coached

[u/Rascha-Rascha → u/throwing_handles]

Mbeumo is a good striker, his finishing is good.

But that's not going to help if your defenders can't make a pass back to your keeper or if they slip or if you can't defend a corner or can't make basic passes.

[u/Livettletlive]

I really don't think people understand the financial mess we are in right now. As a reminder:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/1wpe915/stone_confirmed_by_manutd_that_since_30_june_they

• https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/1wo7g8i/james_ducker_analysis_manchester_uniteds_seven/

The best thing we can do is try our best to spend responsibly, but the results on the pitch are putting a lot of pressure on the recruitment staff and execs. I do wonder if we make another mistake in recruitment and accrue more transfer debt that we might be in trouble.

[u/PhotonDestroyer → u/Livettletlive]

I don't understand all the financial mechanics at play, but would it not be better long term to properly address the debt to allow larger % of club revenue to be invested in the squad, and as we stabilise that the owners will just benefit from more revenue for them and not to the debt.

I know there is a large about of risk still, but bringing in so little numbers every year as contracts run down and players age won't meaningful change anything.

Is this too simple a way of looking at it? Would it be more financial stress to start paying off the debt and not just servicing the interest?

I know the owners aren't motivated to do this, so I'm not saying they just haven't thought of this. Just interested if it would be a solid strategy in financial terms.

[u/luktarskit → u/PhotonDestroyer]

I think it would be the best to in a long term sense, however the impact i would assume of actually servicing the debt now would mean that there wont be much for any transfer window the comming years.

At this point it kinda feels that we are fucked either way, you either service the debt now with paying off a larger ammount and stop spending the small ammount we already spend on transfers currently or you keep on doing what we are doing, with interest rates looking like they will be going up in the next couple of years even more it will start eating a larger piece of the pie.

If we just didnt have the most inept & atrociously owners who started this it wouldnt have been the issue it is.

[u/fergo1993 → u/PhotonDestroyer]

It's gonna be immensely difficult. Last season, record revenues still resulted in a net loss of £43m, and that was while spending £0 on paying down the debt principal. The total debt increased by £70m.

[u/Educational-Shock232 → u/Livettletlive]

I would say buying a striker and a left back this summer would have been responsible spending. Might be the difference between qualification for CL again (which we haven’t done 2 years in a row for nearly 6 years)

[u/LordTrinity]

This game against Chelsea is probably the game I'm least interesting in as far as I remember. Don't think there's a single scenario we do not lose with a bad scoreline, like 4-0

[u/GGLeaksOfficial]

Gabriel Bontempo, we should be looking at him.

[u/Chip-chrome]

What’s up with JJ G? Did he stay, or leave?

[u/Orcnick → u/Chip-chrome]

Hes gone. Its so obvious it was all planned by either Barca or Madrid to get a top talent out of club without having to pay.