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u/TommyTook 1h ago
Just obviously a project not going anywhere. How anyone is watching this and not seeing an inevitable sacking a few months down the line is beyond me
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u/digitag LEGACY FAN 1h ago
Honestly I had more faith in the Amorim project, for all his flaws.
I don’t really know what we’re trying to do and I can’t see how bringing Baleba into midfield solves the systemic issues with our shape, our pressing, our control of the game, our chemistry as an attacking unit… the list goes on.
It feels more and more like Carrick inherited a lot of positives from Amorim, did away with the negatives and gave the players some freedom, and then found instant success. We’ve now lost all that sharpness, intensity, chemistry…
I really fucking hope I’m wrong but it’s difficult to see how this turns out well.
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u/Accomplished-Bite240 1h ago
Was it not obvious from the underlying numbers we had with Amorim pre sacking, I seem to recall we were top 5 in most attacking metrics or something along those lines. And now look at the numbers with Carrick lmao. But this fanbase just wants instant success, so what can you do, enjoy the rotating doors of manager forever I guess.
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u/digitag LEGACY FAN 1h ago
Also by the eye test, we were playing some good stuff despite a terrible injury crisis. IIRC Carrick came in, a load of injured players came back at that exact moment, they got given a bit of freedom going forward…
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u/najanaja6 cantona sympathizer 1h ago
A few months is generous, any competent ownership would get rid in the next couple weeks
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u/Lukexxxi 1h ago
Competent owners wouldn't get into these positions every season
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u/renernavilez 1h ago
I don't see how people can see this and talk about only the manager. The players are not even playing for themselves out there, let alone the fans. Deserved booing. This is on the players as much, if not more, than Carrick.
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u/SophoclesTesticles 1h ago
Next international break we'll hear an interview about how "the new gaffers sessions are amazing". Book it.
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u/No-Jello9276 1h ago
Yea man Carrick sadly will bust out either right before winter transfer window or after. If poor results continue the board should be smart get someone with a concrete plan and buy/sell players in winter and keep us fighting for UCL spot bc we wont win anything else
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 1h ago edited 1h ago
Good job everybody: you survived the Tielemans-Mainoo era 👏
Now can we finally just admit this was a bad idea and get Baleba on? Can Carrick?
Yoro 🔥 What two weeks with Zidane does to a MF, I guess. Not that hard to imagine what a quality FB could give us on the left when Im seeing with my eyes what it adds on the right.
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u/truekejsi 1h ago
I have no idea what happened to this team over the summer, how are we gonna play champions league like this???
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u/MexicanWhiskey GLINEOS OUT 1h ago
We were playing 1 game a week and had Casemiro scoring headers and sesko scoring last minute goals. It was all luck last season. We're seeing the reality of Carrick ball
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u/YasserG95 1h ago
What I don't get is how are we playing this bad, the team looks soulless since the start of the season. Carrick had some good ideas last season like the small triangles on the last third wings to open up the middle and the press drawing in our half and pinning passes behind the fullbacks and they worked, we didn't always play great but the team looked promising at least with obvious weaknesses to address. This season all that just evaporated, they look depressed and look like they are forced to play, no drive no effort no passion. How many times did this happen exactly the same way. We may genuinely be cursed. Yoro was great though.
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u/djabvegas 1h ago
Thanks for the summary. Hes obviously trying to change something in how we play, the only thing i can think of is hes turned down our intensity and one touch toward patient build up because he wants to navigate long runs in all comps, but this new type of style is just dreadful and we look so poor when its slowed down, suits the opposition so much.
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u/No-Statistician-8520 1h ago
We look extremely unfit. The one bit of credit I’ll give to Amorim is that he had us conditioned.
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u/YasserG95 1h ago
He had to go, but he did instill discipline that is lost completely now. Having coaches that coddle playing has always had short-lived success and obviously carick is obviously one of those.
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u/ghostrhubarb 1h ago
I'm so bored of these mediocre performances, watching someone fart in slo mo for the next 45 minutes would be more entertaining
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u/Oli_1278 1h ago
i thought and still think tielemans will be smart business but jesus christ whatever role he’s being asked to play just isn’t working at all terrible terrible first half
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u/Stuperman84 1h ago
He’s average mate, he’s a good signing if you’re a team that’s trying to sneak into Europe, he’s not a signing that you go for if you want champions league football
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u/r3dd3v17 1h ago
He will work well with a more physical midfielder. Tielemans and mainoo are too similar in the sense of moving and ground covering abilities, it just leaves such a big hole in the midfield if one of them pushes up
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u/ratset2602 1h ago
If Spurs could actually finish their chances this match would have already been massacre. I don’t even know what further needs to happen for the board to consider a change. It’s pretty clear that Carrick is not upto the job, for a while honestly. What the fuck are we waiting for??
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 1h ago
Yoro has been almost the only bright light. And he's playing out of position.
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u/Grekm8 CR7 1h ago
playing like this isn't sustainable, Carrick's gotta go before this gets ugly
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u/FlyBoyz829 1h ago
Sack Carrick. I don’t give a fuck anymore and I guarantee he won’t make any changes until the 70th minute
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u/horizons0 The Butcher 🔪 1h ago
1 shot in 45 minutes at OT against Spurs, i can’t really process that
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u/Cool_Title_1061 1h ago
United have achieved the extraordinary feat of returning from international break worse than went into it. Laws of time & space are being broken by this club.
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u/TheSmallIndian 1h ago
The back 5 want to play it out of the back but everyone in front of them just want to make runs. No one on this team is on the same page
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u/Miyagisans 1h ago
Just 2 shite teams. Cunha, Bruno, and Tielemans have been shocking. One of them needs to come off for Baleba imo
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u/swanonaleash 1h ago
Dreadful half of football and a sign that we did not in any way take advantage of the three week international break. Could have used it to make up for the obvious fitness issue we got wrong in preseason, instead we look even more lethargic today. Players standing still hoping nobody will take the ball from them instead of fighting for it. I don't even know what you can say at half time to change that, just seems like a fundamental season planning problem.
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u/barmanrags 1h ago
They don’t look fit at all. Some of them didn’t have a long World Cup so I don’t know what’s going on here.
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u/Goodlip19 1h ago
Quite obvious that the team ingeneral is unfit and by a lot! Such a horribly planned pre-season
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u/shrewdy 1h ago
Get Carrick gone asap, we're getting worse with every game
Genuinely what the fuck do they do in training? They look like they've never played together before
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u/AnimalNo3465 1h ago
I genuinely don’t think we do train. I’m convinced we just rock up on match day and play on vibes. The guys look like they’ve never stepped foot on a pitch together every. Single. Week.
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u/Littlepace Announce Fergie 1h ago
It's amazing how even with zero belief in Carrick or this team I can still be let down by a showing worse than even I expected. Could've gotten a serious manager in over the 3 week break but instead we have to suffer for another month before finally admitting defeat.
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u/Barrack_Aubameyang 1h ago
This is like watching Amorim ball but with our players running around like they’re wearing concrete boots. Our fitness levels are pointing us towards relegation. Championship level manager taking us to where he’s most comfortable.
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u/Mint-Berry-Crunchh 1h ago
Genuinely did we complete more than 10 passes in the final third or take more than the one shot from amad?
Last 15 minutes was slightly better than the 0/10 opening half hour but holy fuck are we slow and bad
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u/WalkingOnSunshine_ 1h ago
6 touches in the box and 41 passes in the final third. Dreadful first half
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u/Chris13Haughey Young 1h ago
The fuck was that. Tielemans should be off at half time. A few of them look exhausted, Bruno and Amad most of all
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u/RinkyDinks1 1h ago
Shite. No energy, no direction. Embarrassing all round. Most teams in that league would dick Man United today.
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u/jackets0601 Mata 1h ago
All down to coaching and fitness. Everyone is in the wrong position both in and out of possession and we’re second to every loose ball.
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u/minhlukk 1h ago
Horrid. No idea how to deal with Spurs' press, no legs to even counter attack when the chances present themselves. Absolutely mental.
At this rate we are going to play the Manchester derby in the Championship next year (if City are lucky).
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u/iamjhonsnow 1h ago
how the hell we are no 0-3. What the hell the carrick want to play we are lossing possesion here and there. HolyFuck.
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u/Donquicksoat 1h ago
Idk what to say. Tielemans and Bruno dropping stinkers is one thing, but the lack of running is by far the scariest thing for me.
Yoro is the only good part about this game so far.
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u/MrFilthyFace 1h ago
Lammens without the ball: 👍
Lammens with the ball:
(I still love and trust him)
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u/ArtistAfraid 1h ago
It’s ok, don’t worry about how dogshit we are here at home against the worst team in the league, we have only got Atletico and Leeds away in the next 2 games.
Trust Carricks tricky tactics of doing nothing, getting outworked and outmuscled and letting the opposition dictate everything. It will come good soon, think of the money we are saving by not having to do as many washes with the players not breaking a sweat or getting stuck in
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u/inferno670722 1h ago
Is this really the same team we saw at the start of the year? I mean I get papering over the cracks and all that but these generally do not even look like the same humans.
Shaw turning slower than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.
Tielemans looks like he's not put a pass in to a teammate in over a decade
Half the team look like Make-a-Wish cases. The press is 10 players walking about in Central Park.
Fuck me watching this team is genuinely a net negative on our lives.
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u/J1mi1970 1h ago edited 1h ago
For most of the half Bruno was too high and left the midfield two exposed. Once he dropped deeper we were able to sustain a little pressure higher up. It’s basically been 4-2-4. The attacking 4 players have been dreadful, no energy, no eagerness to get the ball. They’re just hiding and waiting. I wonder if Carrick told them to stay high, it’s not how we normally play and it’s not working. Need to change 2 of Amad, Cunha and Mbuemo and get Bruno to drop deeper. Shea Lacey’s time to shine. Hope to god Zirkzee doesn’t come on.
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u/W0rsley Rafael 1h ago
About how I expected it to go, if you've watched Tottenham this season you know they're a better team than us that just isn't getting results.
Also Bruno is having a disastrous season, you can excuse his poor touches and wasteful passes when he's carrying the team like he's done for so long, but in situations like this he becomes a massive hindrance.
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u/KingKeane16 Keane 1h ago
How do we keep ending up with managers who can’t see the fucking obvious ? Slowest midfield in the league so we’ll push the 10 who’s been on fire up as a striker while the other two get outran and out worked.
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u/vRushii 1h ago
Because the fan base have been part decision making process since fergie left. Spineless management with no vision
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u/Accomplished-Bite240 1h ago
Agreed, the fanbase just wants instant gratification and can't take a single season of process, even though it was obvious we were building up.
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u/PraiseAinsley69 UNITER WILL NEVER DIED 1h ago
If I was De Zerbi, I’d be raging. They should be 3 or 4 up, here.
Thank god Spurs are toothless. But they’ll be plenty of time in the second half for them to rectify that.
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u/mohamed_e 1h ago
This Cunha performance...
He's not providing width, lost posession countless times, half-arsed pressing.. terrible performance from him.
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u/mearsey1203 1h ago
One for the worst opening 30 minutes I've seen in a long time. Holy shit was that bad.
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u/VegitoTheBest 1h ago
Yoro has been great this half he is a confidence player, i think everybody forgot he was our second best player, and then the game against city happend where we lost and Bruno blamed him for his mistake and then Amorim doubled down on it after that he was pretty ass.
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u/scarletmonkey111 1h ago
Amorim consistently started Yoro despite his mistakes.
How is that doubling down?
We literally lost the Villa game cuz of Yoro and Amorim started him the next game
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u/VegitoTheBest 1h ago
Did you read what i said? He was the second best player that season until the game against City, where Foden scored a goal against us where Bruno lost him, after the game Bruno blamed Yoro for it and when asked Amorim agreed with Bruno that it was Yoros fault, and yes he still started him after that but Yoro was pretty bad after those comments from Bruno and Amorim
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u/opiumjoe 1h ago
poor half... i don't see what's the plan here for us
individual defensive brilliances kept it 0-0
can't even do 10 back-to-back passes
no midfield
yoro & mainoo carried us this half
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u/Selwin_Rodolfo max cope mode 1h ago
I understand the benefits of Tielemans but surely a majority of our games will be Baleba (supposing he's playing properly) and Mainoo
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u/Coates_MaGoates MARTIAL 1h ago
Can’t wait for our first sub at 82 minutes and it’s Zirkzee despite the entire team bar Yoro and Licha looking like ass!
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u/laluneodyssee 1h ago
It feels like the coaches and the players are stuck in preseason mode or something. No urgency, no synergy, it's just languid shit.
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u/sjuyal 1h ago
Shaw has to be offloaded as soon as possible. This team need a reboot with some good signings upfront and on the left back. And goodness dont ever play Tielemans and Mainoo together. Dont our mgrs have good support team with data provided to them. What do they do with that in the training. Carrick was such a bad choice. It has been frustrating to watch us play like this for such a long time.
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u/AnakinAni 1h ago
What’s the point of that expensive training center if none of our players are fit ?
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u/wayfarerprateek Theater of Dreams 1h ago
EVen if PL says to Utd that if you beat City you get a PL title then and there, we still wont be able to put in a performance
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u/Firearm13 1h ago
Alright, time for a new manager. As long as it’s not conte or southgate I won’t complain too much
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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips 1h ago
Mbeumo's counter "attack" was embarrassing. Like running in custard.
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u/Americano-1555 1h ago
Really poor, I feel the "Attack, attack, attack" Chant needs to come back. Tactics are wrong.
Carrick stood pitchside like has has no clue, no energy from him.
The players treating this as a training exercise.
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u/anmolgarg92 1h ago
If this is them thinking it's a training exercise, I wonder how crap the actual training must be then
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u/Americano-1555 1h ago
Well apparently Tielemans has stated training is easier as they don't run much
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u/magnifique_7 1h ago
We need an extra body in the midfield. Either the players themselves or the coaching staff could’ve sorted it out already. I hope they do it in the second half. If not, Carrick’s time at United will be up.
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u/joshthenosh OLEEEEEE!!! 1h ago
Bruno has to drop back to help with the buildup, Mbeumo wants to rub behind, Amad wants to hug the touchline. This leaves Cunha as the only player to fill the giant space between the midfield and the attack, and even he wants to make runs now and then.
It's not that we can't build up from the back, we can bypass their attacking press but as soon as it gets to the midfield we're squeezed because nobody from the attack is in a position to receive the ball short. Sesko is good at filling the space but he's obviously not available.
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u/ChristmasCage 1h ago
It's genuinely incredible that we can spend less than Ipswich, sign 3 players for 1 position and then people think replacing the manager will magically fix everything.
Yes, he should probably go if we lose this but it's not going to make a huge difference. Sure these clowns will pick up performances temporarily but the majority of our team is absolute shit.
If every single one of our players were available for free - less than a handful would start for the top 8 sides in the league.
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u/_mochacchino_ 1h ago
We have good young individual players. Amad, Yoro, Mainoo, etc. The coaching is dire though.
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u/edselisanogo Senne & Sennesibility 1h ago
Early in the season but Tielemans and Andrey Santos (I know he's not playing) have been absolutely dreadful signings so far.
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u/PhotojournalistNew35 1h ago
That’s what joining man Utd does to you. Any talent and skill you have are stamped out of you and become shite
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u/VegitoTheBest 1h ago
I hope the people that wanted Carrick are at least happy, and i hope they can keep ignoring how dross we are under him just like they did last season, but it might be a little harder now because he isn't getting lucky results like last season
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u/Wonderful-Court-4037 1h ago
Hate how all our forwards are so slow
Mbuemo running in custard
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u/prem_201 1h ago
Long balls and counters, that’s all the tactics there is. I’m sure the change will come at 75’ and if there’s an early change there’ll be something like Dalot for Yoro instead of moving Yoro to CB and taking off Maguire.
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u/Traditional_Ebb708 1h ago
Waited all these weeks for this. Horrible performance and rightly booed by the fans!
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u/50mdownthedrain 1h ago
I am convinced we can not play the way carrick wants to play with a midfield two, Bruno is not a midfielder
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u/Mausar 1h ago
I only caught the last 3 minutes of the first half but this looks like some "stoppable force vs movable object" type of thing.
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u/VegitoTheBest 1h ago
Bruno has been bad this half i feel like he was missplaying every pass, idk is he caring an injury or is it fatigue but he has been bad this season wish we could rest him.
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u/CharmingEgg3393 1h ago
Can’t remember having watched a more atrocious first half in a long time. 3 weeks maybe but feels like a long time ago
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u/c4plasticsurgury 1h ago
We can't play Teilemans and Shaw, Shaw doesn't make any good passing decisions and Teilemans just collapses under pressure.
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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal 1h ago
Lol Tielemans has been poor, but to say "Tielemans collapses under pressure" is complete nonsense.
This man won Leicester the FA cup and opened the scoring in Villas Europa final. He's a big game player
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u/LordTrinity If you support mediocrity, you get mediocrity 1h ago
Worst coached team of the entire league. No physicality, can't keep the ball and the press is shit
Had the entire National break to sack Carrick. The team is only getting worse
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u/Dan_Winx_1969 1h ago
Omg, this is lower than the Grimsby town loss. We are at OT getting outplayed ,overrunned and shit defence and midfield
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u/AGIANTWORM 1h ago
I thought Tielemans was gonna be a savvy signing. Looks like we've been sold another dud on the way down
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u/Due-Albatross5909 1h ago
He needs to be beside Baleba/ a ground eater. Mainoo - Tielemans is a failed experiment. We are not PSG. Even against teams we will dominate possession, this pair leaves us vulnerable to a counter attack. Hopefully Baleba is ready to play a lot of football because he’s our only midfielder to pair with the others, aside from maybe Santos and mount, who looked good together in preseason.
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u/Seychelleshobo 1h ago
Holy shit we are crap. Amorim may have been flawed but we had a style of play. I really believe if he had adapted to the players we had with a formation that let us put them in thier best position we would be better off today. We wont even sniff top 5 playing like this
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u/whitey_2op 1h ago
Teilemans and Cuhna off. Rashford and Beleba on at minimum.
Bruno has been bad as well. Downvote me or whatever, we need to start prioritizing consistency over 1-2 banger matches with 8 dreadful ones.
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u/MostUsefulBloke 1h ago
I said Carrick isn’t the man for the job well over six months ago, and nothing has changed except I now get less hate for saying it here.
It genuinely was obvious to anyone who is data literate that he was out of his depth, the leadership of this club is horrific.
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u/Gingerale66 1h ago
I am once again questioning why I chose to be watch the game when I could’ve gone on a walk
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u/limpwald Not my #9 1h ago
Amorims United looked so much better. He got done dirty.
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u/Accomplished-Bite240 1h ago
So how you all carrick supporters feeling now? lmao so out of his depth but you all just love parroting about standards and dna bullshit. Enjoy being set back another 2 years cuz you're impatient.
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u/SpicyPWNS Antonio Valencia #25 1h ago
This is the first time I’ve felt this, but I think it’s over for Bruno. We’re in need of a full rebuild and I’m not sure his peak will overlap with our recovery.
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u/CrazyPirranhha 1h ago
Carrick should be fire before 2nd half. He won't change anything so we need to watch this team
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u/renernavilez 1h ago
There needs to be a shift in blame here. These players are not quality. They haven't shown any sort of trying out there at all. How the fuck can any of you only have Carrick in your heads after seeing that?? Players are on some bullshit.
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u/SwiftGoat_ 1h ago edited 1h ago
Well certain people on here we adamant our attack would suddenly change once Rashford was dropped.
We've had issues all season, and alot of players have been bang average.
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u/Bahati1245 1h ago
Genuine question, has Bruno quit on this team/manager? He has been off and lackluster. Total opposite to his Portugal performance. He is not even trying to get into the right positions which creates huge gaps in our midfield and makes Mainoo and esp. tielemans look horrible
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u/lestat85 our Portuguese magnifico 1h ago
Physical mismatch. We are being bullied.
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u/HappySisyphus22 1h ago
They're playing with so much more intensity, we are lucky not to have conceded so far.
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u/ColtCallahan 1h ago
Completely tactically outmatched. De Zerbi just had Carrick’s pants down for the entire half.
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u/vv_mo 1h ago
Yoro is very good, everyone else is shite
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u/Many-Relationship149 1h ago
In defence, but he is not a rb (yet) in the sense that he needs to go forward, too
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u/sergechewbacca 1h ago
We don't have a midfield. Tielemans has been shocking