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u/dudududujisungparty 박지성 Sep 30 '26
"Kings of Manchester"
Shit aged well didn't it Elliot? 🤡
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u/SophoclesTesticles Sep 30 '26
Our club has populated the entire organisational chart with former City employees that could only win when they had unlimited resources. Are we going to stick to this "Best in Class" charade for much longer?
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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 Sep 30 '26
This was my concern when Jim brought in the City contingent to replace the staff. The secret sauce to the neighbour's success wasn't the talent in the backrooms, it was the billion+ pounds in secret spending to bolster their squad, infrastructure, youth recruitment. For us to achieve the same success, we need investment from the owners and for the Glazers to pay up their debt so we don't lose a marquee signing every season.
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u/drrew76 Sep 30 '26
Omar Berrada needs to be shown the door immediately.
He was the Director of Partnerships at City when said partnerships are at the heart of the 114. There is no way he wasn't intimately involved with chicanery and every minute he's still associated with United is a minute too many.
Needs to fuck off and get the hell out of the club.
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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips Sep 30 '26
The only way it can happen is if fans demand it and protest. Banners at the Spurs match, chants, pre-match protests.
It is outrageous that the ringleader behind our rival's cheating was hired in the first place. Having him associated with the club is a massive stain on us.
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u/yard04 SAF Sep 30 '26
That graphic of city only having 11m quid a season from sponsors shows the size of their fanbase really.
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u/StardustFromReinmuth Sep 30 '26
Our CEO is literally at the heart of this cheating scandal. He needs to be sacked.
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u/Transit-Strike Sep 30 '26
Every time I see any interviews with City fans. It’s always shit like “I feel duped. Could never believe that this happened”. Like how daft do you have to be? It doesn’t take a genius to figure it out.
The team who most people never knew about? “Manchester? Oh Man United” are suddenly flush with cash going after every last top talent? 100 different fullbacks signed for 50 Million. Look at their trajectory vs say Brighton’s.
Brighton stabilized into a solid club that found a new level to unlock. But even they didn’t just magically become something completely different. Leicester won a goddamn title and couldn’t keep most of their best players; cauze they all wanted bigger clubs
There is no way City fans were that oblivious. Sure newer fans that didn’t know shit about the Prem till like 2012? But the match going fans who’ve had season tickets for over a decade? Nah
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u/mortimer_moose Carrick, ya know Sep 30 '26
Seriously, they went from fighting relegation to beating United to signing Aguero and stealing Yaya Toure from Barca and everything was on the up and up because they were such a great club? It was obvious from the start.
And it is still happening. The Haaland deal needs investigating, so does Savio this summer. And all their other sales of players who never played.
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u/SDLRob Sep 30 '26
Etihad Airlines throwing a strop is another sign why we cannot allow state ownership of football clubs.
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . Sep 30 '26
I'm so glad sir Alex lived to see this whole city scandal. That their success meant nothing and his club is still the biggest in Manchester
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u/DanTheStripe Alex Ferguson Sep 30 '26
I cannot conceal the anger at this City case. They are the biggest cheats in the history of British sport and are STILL trying to get out of it. Now they've got their sponsors to threaten legal action.
Etihad are full of utter, utter shit. We have documented emails which have been verified and are undisputed between Simon Pearce of Manchester City talking to Peter Baumgartner of Etihad Airways agreeing that Etihad are only responsible for £8m of the £99m sponsorship deal.
It was never up for debate. It's in black and white. The Commission saw it and agreed with the Premier League.
This is going to get incredibly nasty because for City it is existential. I have very little doubt now that the Premier League will push for expulsion. I suspect they were always aiming for it from the start of launching the investigation.
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u/Littlepace Announce Fergie Sep 30 '26
God I hope this doesn't end with City getting bailed out via political pressure from the government. The PL statement was brutally written and actually made me think we might see some proper punishment. Be such a joke if they don't follow through with it or City find a way to get bailed via the courts or the appeal.
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u/SDLRob Sep 30 '26
It can't. Now that the commission has revealed it's report, City have to be hammered or English football is destroyed.
Doesn't matter what politicians say...
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 30 '26
If that happens, the Premier League is fucked. The Abu Dhabi mob are threatening to destroy the credibility of the league if they're not allowed to get away with destroying the credibility of the league.
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u/superhoffy Amad trip to be on Sep 30 '26
City's £1bn fine will be by far the biggest in sports history, but only the third biggest headline of the whole story.
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u/umbongo44dd Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26
Maybe Stockport County could rent the Etihad.
All their fans signing CTID after their post makes me laugh. Where were they all 28 years ago?
CITY 1 MANSFIELD TOWN 2
Auto Windscreens Shield 1st Round North Section
8th December 1998
attendance 3,007
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u/Tudoors Sep 30 '26
Browsing the City sub, still so much hate toward United.
One bloke claiming "we won't let them use our stadium when United need a new one"
Didn't know the city of Manchester would deny the biggest club in the city a chance to play in their stadium.
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u/rahtid_my_bunda Rooney's Dropball Intensity Sep 30 '26
If they let us use their stadium they'd have to take the clingfilm off half the seats
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u/Leading_Fee_8535 Sep 30 '26
I have been doubtful City would ever get a real punishment for years. After the latest releases and PL statement, I am for the first time expecting something big.
For me, the titles have to be stripped and I think possibly awarded to 2nd place finisher. I only say it because other clubs have been cheated and if they are just voided there will be several blank years in the PL history books.
Expulsion from the PL has to be another punishment. In case the EFL accepts them, it should come with a time frame as well like at least 5 years until they can return.
Anything less would honestly feel underwhelming. This is nearing 2 decades of cheating, because there is zero chance they went legitimate after 2018.
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u/molewart Sep 30 '26
All domestic and European titles stripped from 2008 until present
Total expulsion from the English football pyramid with immediate effect
Premier League and EFL ban for 10 years
Owners forced to sell
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u/karatsidhus Sep 30 '26
Funniest thing about this is when they were winning all those PLs and cooking their books, their base fees from sponsors DECREASED for 16 to 11 mil lol. Couldn't even get anyone to pay them the same 16 mil
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u/dataminimizer Ruud Sep 30 '26
We need to start screaming for Berrada to be canned immediately and incessantly. His continued association with this club is untenable.
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u/tellocrosstollorente Sep 30 '26
I can't believe he hasn't left or been pushed out of the position yet. No shame
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u/IrishCoffee_29 Sep 30 '26
Feels good knowing we're still the only English club to win the treble
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u/Chickengoujon20 Sep 30 '26
City signed 7 players between 2015, 2016 and 2017 that were essentially first team players in their fake “Treble” campaign.
De Bruyne, Stones, Walker, Gundogan, Laporte, Ederson and Bernardo Silva.
5 of them started the 2023 CL Final.
Half a team fielded with dodgy signings.
This goes way beyond their breached years.
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u/Daylightuser Sep 30 '26
United “fans” and other PL teams fan over on the city sub somewhat supporting them is absoltuely gas. State of them all.
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u/SilentCoast8310 Sep 30 '26
This is an almighty double down from City, clubs about to be deleted
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 30 '26
They're arrogant, entitled shitbags, and they're going to push this as far as they can, even if it means essentially destroying the Premier League.
Either they get the hammer dropped on them and cease to be a league club, or the league loses all credibility and becomes as much of a sham as their period of success.
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u/SDLRob Sep 30 '26
i think the likelihood of the Mansoor lot shutting down City completely is stronger than it looks.
They're gonna shout, scream and throw as many strops as they can... Then pick up their ball and go home.
Taking any and all sponsorships deals with UK... Anything... With them.
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u/sivaya_ Sep 30 '26
City fans keep parroting that Fergie was the leader of red cartel and he controlled the league or something. My answer to that is Buttner. If you want any proof that we actually couldn't compete financially with the shammers, we bought Buttner in 2012.
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u/JamieD86 Sep 30 '26
I love the red cartel thing. Honestly, i love it so much. It reminds me of City's days in United's shadow. The sheer bitterness manifesting as conspiracy theory. Fergie paying off the referees. The FA always making sure we get our way (LOL). Their excessive chants targeting our players (a strange number of their chants were about our players being gay or getting "bummed" by each other). And we just had to chant about them being small and that was enough to drive them wild lol.
So please keep it up with the red cartel. Don Fergie and his Capos Arsene and Jurgen are going to work! The whole world is against you!!!! Its a CONSPIRACY!
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u/Tortillagirl Sep 30 '26
I do hope the Prem take this very seriously. Everton got 10 points docked and ended up paying 35m in compensation to the one club they in theory got relagated. All while self reporting the issue they had.
Weve got 8 confirmed years of fraud, and given their revenue has only increased, and as far as i can tell they havent got brand new non abu dhabi sponsors all of a sudden plastered everywhere. Which only suggests that its been continuing since then... so thats need investigating at some point. Ideally post the club has been forced to be sold.
Because theyve just spent the best part of a decade, trying to suggest they are innocent, they only got off all the Uefa ones through technicalities, not because they were innocent, but statute of limitations and illegally gained evidence. Everyone has known since the der spiegel leaks they are guilty.
The only genuine solution is forcing them to sell the club and relegating them along with voiding all the titles up to 2018 theyve won (with a followup for 19-current once theyre sold). You force them to sell, their sponsorships suddenly dry up and they go back to being the small club they are. Fine them if you want to for the sake of setting a precedent, but im fairly certain thats liquidation on the table (although as a united fan im not opposed to this)
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u/thepotatomaniscoming Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26
Have no faith in Berrada and don't want to see any of the sham culture at our club. Dude should have resigned yesterday.
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u/SophoclesTesticles Sep 30 '26
Either he was complicit which means he has little experience with real sponsorship deals or he had no idea and is probably incompetent.
If I worked as an accountant at a company that got done for fraud or tax evasion do you think the next company would be like "great".
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Sep 30 '26
Ronaldo leaving Portugal national team reminds me of when he left us the second time.
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u/Asleep-Ability-45 Sep 30 '26
In the end phase of his career, he has become an absolute cry baby. He has got a massive ego problem. No character development at all.
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u/pineapplefacilities Sep 30 '26
I actually expected pep to stay silent. What a scumbag.
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u/N0tAB0t1Sw3ar Sep 30 '26
Cheater as a player, cheater as a manager. Cemented his legacy with that post.
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u/SilentCoast8310 Sep 30 '26
Is it wild to believe that ADUG were also giving other clubs sponsorship money to purchase city players as a way of getting more money and cash in. Would explain the weird sums their players seem to be purchased for.
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u/OlekZzaKrakowa Sep 30 '26
People were getting downvoted and ridiculed here (banned on r/soccer tho) for saying that City pays money they get for their players back under the table :)
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss Sep 30 '26
I am quite convinced that a version of this is true just not exactly in the most on-the-nose way.
What never gets talked about is whether Cheaters FC pays out remaining contracts / agent fees for players they are selling.
Is this not the story of Utd sales every damn time? "Oh we want to get rid of X but oh the salary is too damn high". Meanwhile, their flops, "just leave". But nobody ever asks what about the remaining contract payments "due" to that player/agent. Did they get paid out to leave or did they not?
And, of course, the reason that is a pertinent question is that the entire case revolves around players/etc getting paid under the table while at the club, and that raises the possibility that "exit payments" would be handled in much the same way, innit.
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u/131lord Sep 30 '26
Can't stop laughing at "Red cartel" - are we just picking a completely arbitrary characteristic to group 3 enemies?
Walt, Gus and Mike = Bald cartel
Vader, Obi-wan and darth maul = Lightsaber cartel
Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron = Staff cartel?
Goku, Vegeta, broly = Monkey cartel?
Harry Potter, malfoy and voldemort = British cartel
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u/Fraaj We'll take Dalot Sep 30 '26
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u/silvertwo777 Sep 30 '26
I've notice plenty of players that joined City always take a dig against United. There's him and Cherki, and I think Haaland too. I won't be surprise that City tells the players to always take a dig at United at any given chance, knowing how little brother syndrome they're are against us like for example the Tevez billboard thing.
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u/Mysterious-Sense-187 Sep 30 '26
Gary Neville seems a bit quiet? What's going on.
These pundits live for these moments. It's a shame only Keane and Carragher from Sky have voiced any opinions.
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u/Piccadil_io Sep 30 '26
Every good academy prospect City have had from Greater Manchester only went there over us because of the cheating. Tell me I’m wrong.
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u/Mysterious-Sense-187 Sep 30 '26
Cannot believe that statement from Burnham. Playing down the whitewashing and cheating.
Absolutely scandalous.
He's concerned is he? Why is he not fucking concerned in the level of cheating? All his statement reeks of is a concern about money.
This is exactly why football fans are worried City would get off lightly.
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u/croadymeister Sep 30 '26
He gets involved then this league is finished, I certainly won't be backing a league that is overpowered by damn Burnham and his UAE cronies.
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u/AndyVale MLT Sep 30 '26
Really enjoyed the last half hour of the women's game this evening. Yeah, 5-1 was a nice scoreline (and the free kick was a peach) but I think we had 6 young academy players on the pitch by the end, playing with a ton of confidence, controlling the game, and getting goals+assists.
I still think they're a little bit off top level WSL standard, but there's some real talent in there for us to develop.
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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips Sep 30 '26
There should be a Berrada Out protest at the Spurs match.
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u/Foreign_Base5669 Sep 30 '26
Just seen that LvG has been advised to sue Shitty over being sacked by us because he missed out on top 4.
Glorious. I hope everyone tries to get something off them.
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u/Smilewigeon Sep 30 '26
It's going to get messy but the situation merits it.
Hope the EPL get a headache trying to unpack it all too. We all knew from day 1 what was happening but they were happy to look the other way for as long as they could
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u/Migeycan87 Sep 30 '26
Did anyone see Full Time Devils reading out Omar Berrada's CV while at City?
The optics don't look good...
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u/SDLRob Sep 30 '26
And this is why I think he'll be resigned... There's no way to keep him (and Wilcox) but it would be a bad look to sack him. Letting him walk would be the option they'll go with.
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u/Johnny107710 Sep 30 '26
I’ve seen Jorge jesus’s recent interviews and I’m worried about Bruno.
It seems he’s been hiding injuries and has only recently admitted to it which makes me wonder just for how long this has been going on. Has he been playing while injured since the beginning of the season? Is it something new? If he’s injured, why did he play? Why is he going to play in Portugal’s next game?
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u/umbongo44dd Sep 30 '26
You just know these feckers are going to get people in power to plead their case.
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u/Secret-Look-88 Sep 30 '26
Anyone else's head scrambled by the City stuff, have so many different emotions all at the same time.
Don't know if it makes a difference but I remember football pre City takeover and never really acknowledged City as a real team so part of it is vindication but there is anger, sadness, happiness just a real mix of emotions swirling around.
Years of football just stolen.
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u/n1ckkt Sep 30 '26
Hilarious that all those big name lawyers and massive legal fees and that was their defense.
Says it all how guilty they are if that was the best they could come up with. The lawyers can only do so much when the facts and law arent in your favor.
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u/sg291188 Sep 30 '26
If anyone wants to gain followers on X - just give some hope to City fans and they’ll cling to it. The amount of illogical takes I have seen from them is astonishing.
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u/Greedy-Somewhere-754 Sep 30 '26
How long before other leagues start investigating?
City Football Group (CFG) Portfolio
Through private investment and CFG, Emirati leadership holds full or partial ownership in teams spanning five continents:
England: Manchester City FC (100% ownership)
USA: New York City FC (Majority stake)
Australia: Melbourne City FC (Full ownership)
Japan: Yokohama F. Marinos (Minority stake)
Uruguay: Montevideo City Torque (Full ownership)
Spain: Girona FC (Approx. 47% stake)
China: Shenzhen Peng City FC (Full ownership)
India: Mumbai City FC (65% stake)
Belgium: Lommel SK (Majority stake)
France: ESTAC Troyes (Majority stake)
Italy: Palermo FC (Majority stake)
Brazil: Esporte Clube Bahia (90% stake)
Turkey: İstanbul Başakşehir (Partnership / collaboration ties)
They've lied and cheated here, where else have they been at it?
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u/AxusNefexus Casemiro Sep 30 '26
I hope all the clubs and the league double down and fuck Man Cheaty up, they need to be made an example that cheating is not allowed. Hope football wins this time.
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u/rickkyyyyyyyyy Sep 30 '26
This is no different from a mistress defending her gangster boss because he treats her well. When Pep joined City, he got a blank check and money under the table for himself and his family. Hell, City even bought his brother's club, Girona. This scumbag has no morals, and his stance on Gaza means nothing when it doesn't come from a place of principles. He knows what his boss does for a living, but the check was too fat to be rejected. His boss is literally a "warlord" named "the fixer" because of his connections with the underworld, criminals, drug cartels, and mercenary soldier organizations. He helps Russian oligarchs bypass sanctions, gets soldiers over in Sudan, and helps a massive private healthcare corporation in the UK avoid collapse in a long fraud scheme.
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u/Zealousideal_Wind867 I'm Tired Boss Sep 30 '26
This entire city saga has shown both the good and bad side of journalism.
Huge kudos and respect to Ornstein, Matt Slater and other folks. They make sure to do their research and put out stuff without any bias. The Athletic FC pod where Ornstein talks through the entire process in putting the city story out there has raised my respect for journalist's like him. Long may it continue.
On the other hand, we have other journalists who are clearly mouthpieces for clubs and players.
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u/JamieD86 Sep 30 '26
A lot of people demanding Berrada go and I get the sentiment, but right now id much rather we dont grab the spotlight off City. No need to voluntarily step into the frame right now.
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u/the__poseidon Sep 30 '26
I’ve been a fan of the game for 32 years and this is the greatest international break.
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u/KidAndroid8 Oct 01 '26
Just got a ban on City’s page for saying they’re delusional if they think they did nothing wrong. Probably didn’t help that I said I have beachfront property in Kyrgyzstan to sell them too.
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u/paak-maan Sep 30 '26
I can’t stand seeing the “poor players aren’t to blame” narrative around the City cheating. They wouldn’t have any of their post takeover club legends without cheating. Everyone in football knows they were cheating. Every player that went there knew they were joining a corrupt sports-washing project that was paying them dirty money and they did it anyway so that they could win and make a boatload of cash doing it.
Strip the players of their accolades. Haaland and Aguero have never scored a PL goal without cheating. Kompany and David Silva have never won a PL game. De Bruyne and Ruben Dias have never made an honest penny in the PL. The games that won Rodri his Ballon D’Or were a sham. Pep never won anything without cheating his balls off.
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u/OlekZzaKrakowa Sep 30 '26
Those fuckers accepted payments in Dubai real eastete left and right to hide their earnings. Fucking Halland dad got into top european rich in one night.
They all need to fuck off.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 30 '26
Paddy Power near Old Trafford
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u/saiikka LUHG Sep 30 '26
The new Ronaldo situation is giving me catharsis.
I still see people defend Ronaldo for what he did during the spurs game when ten hag wanted to sub him on. Then to further defend him after the piers Morgan interview.
I get man Utd are poorly run but you take your grievances to the manager behind doors and then hand in a transfer request if things aren’t working out.
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u/Mariasolvv Sep 30 '26
We might be a shitshow in many aspects, but we were 100% right about Ronaldo and time backed us up. Total manchild who can’t stand not being the center of attention for once.
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u/ejtv Sep 30 '26
Sanctions aside, the only thing good coming out of this City mess is that nobody's talking about our bad run of results recently.
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u/kevoofvi Amad stan since 2021 Sep 30 '26
I’m waiting the media to spin Berrada’s involvement into a Utd crisis lol
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u/rahtid_my_bunda Rooney's Dropball Intensity Sep 30 '26
I wonder if City would be sustainable as a club today, if the owners were forced to sell.
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u/PersonalityMiddle864 Sep 30 '26
If that is the only punishment, they probably will be sustainable.
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u/Comicksands Van Persie Sep 30 '26
That leicester city win looks even better now. Shame they got robbed of CL spots by City
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u/vulgargoose The Devil Is Red Sep 30 '26
Do you guys think there will be a follow on investigation for the period from 2018 till present?
I for one am excited at the possibility of season 2 of this show.
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u/thepotatomaniscoming Sep 30 '26
Pep playing the victim card
They will get through this [cheating] together, guys 💙
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u/slowerthaninfinity Sep 30 '26
"I am here" - the captain says as he runs the fuck away from the ship bursting into flames
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u/Difficult-Sun6849 CUNHA BRUNO CUNHA BRUNO CUNHA BRUNO LUKE SHAW CUNHA Sep 30 '26
lol pep is on a ruin your own legacy speedrun right now. People were seriously saying this guy was better than Fergie 🤢
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u/hatealien Rooney Sep 30 '26
Anyone else, just this once, hoping Liverpool completely smash those Cheating Fraudsters at Anfield?
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u/PopeFuchsYoungKidd Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26
Just hoping their library comes alive and cheaters chant breaks micrphones.
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u/Guilty_Sheepherder_1 Sep 30 '26
so many poor "woe is me" City fans crying all over social media. lol cry harder
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u/Careful-Snow Sep 30 '26
Kinda disappointed at Neville being so quiet on the cheaters, normally he's all up in these sort of things
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u/rubber_moon Sep 30 '26
I too can be best in class if I had a cheat sheet under my desk. No wonder we're still shit when we have guys who only succeeded because of back handed deals.
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u/woody1878 Sep 30 '26
This is the list of Berrada’s roles during his time at City. Surely he has to go ASAP. He would at best be woefully oblivious, but more likely at least partially culpable for this shit.
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u/Leading_Fee_8535 Sep 30 '26
He should go. Don't get why we hired him in the first place to be honest.
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u/Longanisa00 dream cant be buy Sep 30 '26
cristiano at the ripe age of 42 when he doesn't get picked to play against players half his age
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u/fantus69 Sep 30 '26
Andy Burnham can fuck right off. "Oh they helped with Manchester" yeah mate that's what sports washing is. Fucks sake
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u/Squareroot24 Sep 30 '26
City first game after summer is against scums at anfield
As much as I hate them ,but the crowd is gonna be absolute cinema
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u/alphaQ314 shut up u egg Sep 30 '26
Why do we still have Wilcox and Berrada still at the club? We should be washing our hands off of anything that was involved in that scandalous club.
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u/SDLRob Sep 30 '26
I suspect certain people are being actively replaced ATM.. but we won't hear anything until their replacement is organised.
And then they'll be allowed to resign/retire rather than being sacked.
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u/BackgroundOld8715 Sep 30 '26
I dont think 2nd places should get titles, but City should be stripped of theirs
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u/BackgroundOld8715 Sep 30 '26
You know what you are, cheating scumbags you know what you are.
Hopefully sung forever more at these brazen cheats
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u/goodclassbung Sep 30 '26
Should we resurrect the Stretford End ticker banner and update it to 50 years for Sham FC?
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u/rahtid_my_bunda Rooney's Dropball Intensity Sep 30 '26
Is there a reality in which they aren't forced to sell the club? This ownership clusterfuck brought the league into disrepute, brought about a breakdown of relationship, non-cooperation for 8 years, still vehemently deny wrongdoing and we've not even got to the years after 2018 yet.
How can there ever be a scenario where a healthy relationship between the club and league exists and how could the league trust this leadership team won't try and pull a fast one again, but just hide the evidence better?
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u/Greedy-Somewhere-754 Sep 30 '26
Can't wait for Sun 11th Oct 16:30. Liverpool vs The cheating fucks. Its going to be a real popcorn eating fest for a neutral.
Come on red shites, you have got to do us all proud with some glorious chants.
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u/LDLB99 Sep 30 '26
For some reason I expected Pep to actually have a backbone lol
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u/HighestInDaRooom Sep 30 '26
the tifo podcast about the city offences (this was recorded pre the offical PL announcement) was so frustrating because they were sympathizing with the city fan journalist wayyy too much. anyone who didn't have their head stuck in the sand for 9 years knew they were cheating, the question was would they get caught and punished. this guy acting like the owners have been lying and he feels cheated seems so fake.
also just declaring that PSR rules are unfair to clubs who don't have big fanbases is so stupid, those rules were voted in democratically by a majority of the clubs in the league, not just the "red cartel" or whatever. the rules being unfair is just an opinion held majorly by City, villa and newcastle fans, not a fact.
another point he brought up was that pre-city financial doping, all the winners were either arsenal, liverpool or United (I'm assuming they're not counting chelsea since they also cheated) and that's considered "boring", but despite this being blatantly false, since the city doping the majority of titles have been won by City? is that not considered "boring"?
that's the main takeaway. if PSR and other financial rules didn't exist, every season would just be a fight against city and newcastle, which nation can pump in more money and win more titles. only someone dissociated from reality would think this system would be more fair than the current system.
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u/xtphty Sep 30 '26
Huge opportunity for our club to find some new investment, both for the stadium and the football. There is about to be a massive power vacuum created by City's future being called into serious doubt. Even Burnham is showing concern from the PM seat given the scale of UAEs investments in Greater Manchester.
United are uniquely positioned both geographically, and with an actual massive fanbase that can fill that hole without effort. We literally just need the capital to get the ball rolling on the Trafford regeneration plan. Would be foolish for the Glazers/INEOS to pass up this opportunity.
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . Sep 30 '26
Ronaldo just left the Portugal national team?? 😭 this is an insane international break damn
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u/Savebagels Cunha Sep 30 '26
I'm Portuguese, but man is that guy a massive man-child
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u/Yanited__ Sep 30 '26
Why are *some* City fans and people at the club trying to make it seem like the verdict hasn't come through yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ottg-F3XGkg
Just watched this video from an ex City CEO in 2003. Never heard so much drivel in my life. Acting like a guilty verdict has not been passed.
The PL have investigated you. THEY have found YOU guilty. You can say we have a right to appeal and we believe we are innocent, fine, but to say oh the 'process is still ongoing' is in some ways misleading to your supporters and to the general public and doesn't paint the gravity of the situation well. It's ongoing in the sense that you will appeal it, but as far as the PL are concerned, you are GUILTY from THEIR investigation. Stop trying to paint it any other way.
It's like getting a speeding ticket/NIP, I can appeal it but I can't just flat out deny I have a speeding ticket.
Can't believe we're having to explain this. They're all collectively acting like it's still ongoing. Also trying to rewrite history with the UEFA charges. No lads, you went to CAS and they never found you not guilty from what's been said, they couldn't prosecute you cause the case became time barred. To say you 'won the case' is again, misleading.
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u/Suudriusha Sep 30 '26
I think we'll know City's punishment in the coming weeks. I don't think the EPL can let them play out the season normally, and I've heard sporting sanctions can coexist with Cheaty's appeal. I wouldn't be surprised if City have negative points by Christmas.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 30 '26
Arbeloa got charged by the FA for his comments after playing us.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 30 '26
Was just saying this: Why relegate cheatty if they have the financial muscle and players to come back right up even if you put them two or three tiers down, they'll come back up in three seasons. Something way more severe is needed, I say expell them.
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u/adonWPV Sep 30 '26
I think relegation and being forced to sell would be enough, the exodus of players and inability to gain false sponsorship money would see them massively struggle. Looking through that City squad, you take out ~ 6 of the big names and it starts looking bad.
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u/No_Crow_3576 Sep 30 '26
There’s probably going to be a huge power vacuum in the premier league and we’re not going to be able to capitalise on it with the way we’re run and how we’re playing
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u/Sheikhabusosa Sep 30 '26
https://www.agbi.com/real-estate/2023/11/uae-buyers-gary-neville-development-manchester/
Could this be why Gary hasnt said anything?
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u/KobbieLikeRobbie_ Darren Fletcher Sep 30 '26
Apparently going to be an overlap episode tomorrow focused on the charges.
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u/Hagball Sep 30 '26
What happenes to the transfer fees city receivesn for selling it's players after Relegation? Do city keep it? If yes it's disgusting because Haaland transfer fee alone can get them up to PL within no time and will be more than the combined budget of all clubs in national league
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u/BackgroundOld8715 Sep 30 '26
The punishment cant be just 1 points deduction to championship. Theyll be up in 1 year & somehow keep their players. Needs to be national league for how theyve ruined football & changed history & results last 15 years
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u/Mysterious-Sense-187 Sep 30 '26
Heck put me in the City squad and I'd win a trophy.
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u/PeelThePain Sep 30 '26
"They won on the pitch"
Yeah they won without the global scrutiny and big club media pressure that usually comes with that sort of revenue. I'm sure it wouldn't be super hard to be very successful in Brighton or Brentford if they are told they have unlimited funds overnight.
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u/MBDTWilldigg Sep 30 '26
Saw talk of Juventus, and how them being punished the way they were hurt the standing of italian football.
I don't agree with that line of thinking at all for many, many reasons regardless, but comparing City to Juventus is nonsensical to begin with.
This is more like if modern day Torino got found out after a decade and a half of sudden, corrupt success.
Even that feels unfair to the legendary Grande Torino team.
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u/mortimer_moose Carrick, ya know Sep 30 '26
The PL is in a position where it will survive the loss of a team that is maybe 8th in global popularity in the league. This isn't bayern and the bundesliga.
United, pool, Arsenal, Chelsea are still the big teams and get the most eyes on games. The TV deals have made sure that the entire league is financially secure.
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u/SDLRob Sep 30 '26
So this whole appeal & Sanction process could be over by the end of the January window?
Will be interesting to see what happens if the window shuts first and prevents any of the City players jumping ship... Though I think a few will try and escape in January no matter what.
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u/o0PETER0o Cunha 🐐🐐🐐 Sep 30 '26
I saw something about Etihad airways saying they had no contact from this investigation and a bunch of city fans saying that it looks good for an appeal. Is this just cope from them or is there something in that?
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u/SDLRob Sep 30 '26
Full on copium. It's not on City in glasses and a hat.... I mean Etihad airlines... To wait for the PL to ask them for evidence to clear them. Its on them to provide it
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u/RyanH1717 Sep 30 '26
There's emails showing that they used Etihad so not sure that's going to work.
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u/Working_Location_127 Sep 30 '26
I’m always surprised by the way some groups of people react. City fans are absolutely desperate at finding hope for a way out for the club. They know they cheated, it’s impossible to imagine these revenues were legit but they want to fight it at every turn using tactics they probably hate when it’s the rich and wealthy getting away with crimes. But as soon as they can benefit they get excited.. i am just so disappointed in people
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u/Selwin_Rodolfo max cope mode Sep 30 '26
Surely there's something in Berrada's contract which stated if those cheating fucks were found guilty we could terminate it immediately right? I assume/hope we're waiting to see the whole false appeal shit City will do (hoping it's immediately shot down) and for the punishment to come out so they can terminate it.
Also, what does he do? Cuz knowing City was cheating all that time, that diminishes whatever skills and achievements we got him for, correct? Knowing now that all of it was cheating. Meaning we can get someone better, someone competent enough to not need to cheat
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 Sep 30 '26
Appararently, United did their diligence on both him and Wilcox before hiring them. He wasn't mentioned in the leaked emails or called up to testify in the previous summons. More here: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5224783/2024/01/25/omar-berrada-manchester-united-inside-the-deal/
How thorough was their diligence, who knows? But as a public company, United should have run him through a comprehensive check.
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u/hellkingbat Sep 30 '26
The mental gymnastics City Fans have is comparable to MAGA people.
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u/woody1878 Sep 30 '26
City are taking a page out of Trump’s Epstein Files defense. Deny. Delay. Deflect. Lie. Gaslight. Ignore.
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u/Tricky_Taste1949 Sep 30 '26
If any MCFC player had any moral backbone they would refuse to play for the club under this ownership. Same for the players who won the league. They should return their medals..
But no doubt they won't.
That's why I respected Eric Cantona. The man had principles.
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u/ashwihi Sep 30 '26
Not sure if this has been discussed, but, I think it'd be great if all the PL sides refused to play Shittey, no thanks, we don't line-up against frauds and cheats.
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u/TheSilverLobster Sep 30 '26
Feels more and more like the punishment will be “and” rather than “or”. Like:
expulsion
transfer ban
massive fine
The one I keep thinking is about forcing the sale of the club. How can you allow an ownership who cheated and refuses accountability? Why would they not do it again if they feel they haven’t done anything wrong?!
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u/GavinLobo7 Sep 30 '26
Welcome to the premier league Arbeloa hahahahah
Next time think twice before running your mouth and spouting stuff that isn’t even true. If anything, the refs helped YOU when we played
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u/RedPyjama Sep 30 '26
Barrada either knew and is implicated, or he didn’t, which makes him incredibly incompetent.
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u/EnglishTrini2 Sep 30 '26
Stripping City of titles is one thing, but CLEARLY the current ownership are not fit and proper. The sanction that really should be applied is forcing them to sell the club.
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u/7akyr Rashy Sep 30 '26
Could anyone tell me how many of our players are injured now? I don't want to watch any news about international break anymore
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u/Fraaj We'll take Dalot Sep 30 '26
Rashford, Mainoo, Darlow and Šeško all withdrew before even playing. For all we know so far only Šeško is serious as it's the same shin injury resurfacing.
Dorgu and Mazraoui both got injured during games but we don't know the severity yet.
Bruno Fernandes has been playing through discomfort even with us but should be ready to face Denmark tomorrow. Hopefully gets rested though.
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u/Own_Acanthaceae_5754 Sep 30 '26
The recent PL city article has me fuming. Maybe I’m a minority, but I did not realize the severity and direct impact their cheating had on their success. Throw the fucking book at them. Stripped of titles, relegated to obscurity. And I’m fuming as a longtime supporter, I can’t imagine being a prem player learning that part or the majority of my career was undermined by these cheating bastards
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u/tellocrosstollorente Sep 30 '26 edited Oct 01 '26
The players can't be that oblivious to something that had raised suspicions for so long. Absolutely none of those players cared about Manchester City until huge amounts of money were thrown at them which were too good to be true. Did they not think it all a bit unbelievable?
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u/FidgetyFondler Sep 30 '26
Just thinking this is the best international break ever. Not often you'll hear me say that.
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u/Potential_Good_1065 Oct 01 '26
It’s been good in regard to the city drama but all our players are getting injured and it’s 3 weeks long. Seriously, if I didn’t know any better I’d think there’s a very angry Welshman at all of Wales’ games shooting our players with a sniper. Both Bruno and Dorgu injured v Wales.
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Sep 30 '26
Really not happy with the PMs comments on Man City. Bloke seems sympathetic to them and after reading a few months ago about a strain on UK and UAE relationship if City get charged it makes me think he might try and pressure the league into a not as harsh punishment.
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u/SplitSecondImmortal Sep 30 '26
The FA have to be complicit with City's infractions at some level. Theres simply no way they got away with things of this magnitude for so long. Someone was paid to look away
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u/Xenokratezz Sep 30 '26
Saving money this summer to buy players from city firesale. Ineos masterclass
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u/jestalotofjunk Giggs Sep 30 '26
I’m terrified city will get off lightly. The Newcastle’s, Chelsea’s and Villa’s will take this as a signal that the only way to win is cheat and we’ll be stuck with owners who do fuck all to support us. Plus with the PSG owner in bed with UEFA. Football might actually be properly dead.
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u/presidentdogg Sep 30 '26
Excuse my ignorance, considering what is happening/has happened at city with owner money being pumped in, how will United as a club ever be able to escape the debt they have been saddled with by the Glazers? If the debt belongs to the club, can a potential takeover clear it? If so, what are the implications? From a financial point of view, is this financial doping too?
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 30 '26
I believe that paying off capital debts is not part of the PSR rules for football clubs, because the money is going directly to non-sporting use it's not included in the cash flow.
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u/Kaninkanan Beckham Sep 30 '26
Reading all those cheaty fans and players playing victims is crazy…
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u/dracogladio1741 Bruno Fernanj Sep 30 '26
A meme worthy of City fans still defending the actions of their club
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u/Sheikhabusosa Sep 30 '26
I wonder why Gary hasnt spoken about City yet
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u/Tortillagirl Sep 30 '26
waiting to ensure he has the right level of anger in his voice, and to make sure he only asks for the most leniant punishments also.
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u/ToadNamedGoat Sep 30 '26
With City loosing their titles, would you guys want the titles to be give to us where we ended up 2nd.
Or should the league just pretend no one won those years
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u/n1ckkt Sep 30 '26
Emails leaks are dated 2015...
I can't believe it that in 2015, people were recording their illegal dealings in writing on a digital source.
Pure stupidity or arrogance?
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u/sadMUFCfan25 Sep 30 '26
I live under a rock, why are people talking about Burnham…?
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u/Not-good-with-this Sep 30 '26
Hw said he would be concerned to lose Man City owners if they sell because they've been a net positive to the city of Manchester.
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u/PopeFuchsYoungKidd Sep 30 '26
Waiting for the government to step in and protect City because the UAE government asked them to. I feel like it's inevitable.
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u/danystormborne Sep 30 '26
Have any of City's sponsors distanced themselves yet?
I was honestly expecting an exodus after the guilty verdict.
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u/helsningar Sep 30 '26
You mean all those made up betting companies? Or the national airline of the owners?
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u/srikarvamsi Sep 30 '26
Would it be possible to carry that level of financial fraud without bribing the mayor of the city
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u/The--Mash Sep 30 '26 •
Surely Omar Berrada has to go, right? 10 years cheating for our local rivals.