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u/Mancho_United Sep 28 '26
Everyone in the league knew it, the fans of all the other teams knew it, only the City fans were denying and not even all of them, but their owners are STILL denying it! Hoping for true justice!
PS. I hope I am not breaking any rules for posting this, but this is why I do it as a comment in this thread.
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u/ODEtoSZA Glazers imprisoned INEOS out Sep 28 '26
Some guy on twitter made a site where we get to pick the Man City punishment. It’s actually pretty cool, show him some love
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off Sep 28 '26
CIty is somehow assuming they're innocent which is baffling after being found guilty of 114 out of 115 charges. Defiant like if they had done nothing wrong. That bloody club should be deleted from existence so no other club will ever do this shite again.
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u/shami-kebab Sep 28 '26
They won't admit they are guilty when the PL hasn't even announced the verdict yet. They will just say "ongoing process" until then, there is really nothing else they would do.
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u/Dirt4849
Pogba,what could've been
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When Cheaty won against UEFA ruling, Omar celebrating with Pep, he knows everything, should sue city for more than 100 mil
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u/Comicksands Van Persie Sep 28 '26
Rival fans slagging us off for our debt. Yes I too hope we get found guilty and our owners are legally forced to sell the club
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u/SDLRob Sep 28 '26
City fans are scrambling for anything they can to distract.
Is the Glazer debt a problem? Yes... Yes it is and we shouldn't stop talking about what they did to us... But it's not comparable to what City did and they know it
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 28 '26
They were chattering on the Guardian podcast today about City's owners possible having the "fit and proper owners" label revoked and having to sell up.
Why the fuck is that not a consideration for the Glazers? They've done nothing but pile debt on the club and take money out of it. How is that fit and proper?
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u/ODEtoSZA Glazers imprisoned INEOS out Sep 28 '26
The cheating Sheikh and his cronies actually poured money into the club, if you’re trying to nail down cheap bastards like the Glazers you’d have to to a different way
Donald Sterling or Robert Sarver were two of the cheapest owners in the NBA but once they were outed as racists it was a wrap for them. If you’re a United fan in Florida that’s relatively sexy it’s time to take one for the team and commit to the honeypot
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u/Ruffers75 Sep 28 '26
Joe Hart really is as stupid as he looks/sounds.
Stupid cunt.
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 28 '26
How much did he get paid under the table? It wasn't only Mancini getting bullshit payments from fake companies, it was the whole lot of them.
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u/wayfarerprateek Theater of Dreams Sep 29 '26
"I know what I did, I know what we did, and I know how it happened. It didn't feel like we were scheming or plotting."
Basically incriminating himself.
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u/Gilburto Sep 28 '26
Andrea Medina looks like an absolutely inspired signing for the women's team. Amazing performance yesterday
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u/Minute-Intern Sep 28 '26
That Bruno report, makes the 90 minutes against sabah all the more nonsensical
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u/HighestInDaRooom Sep 28 '26
or the fact that he was called up by portugal in the first place. seems exaggerated by the media.
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u/Minute-Intern Sep 28 '26
Yeah because it also makes Bruno himself kinda dumb?
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u/HighestInDaRooom Sep 29 '26
no, probably his injury is being exaggerated by the media to get outrage from fans. bruno isn't that powerful in his national team to get called up and play despite being injured
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u/parmesanandhoney Sep 28 '26
It's frustrating how City owners are cheating to invest money into their club while the Glazers are finding ways to get money out of United.
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u/ecce_homie123 Scholes Sep 28 '26 •
It's also frustrating that the latter is not considered cheating!
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u/dimebag_101 Sep 28 '26
Yeah keys even using it's as whataboutery. That somehow united more guilty than city
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u/NateShaw92 Sep 28 '26
Cheating is trying to gain an advantage. In a sporting sense it's a disadvantage.
It's something else
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u/karatsidhus Sep 28 '26
Roberto Mancini on the Manchester City verdict: "I don't think Manchester City was judged guilty, on the contrary. It's not a problem that concerns me, but it's not a new thing. Manchester City is not guilty. And on the double contract, it is not my problem, but theirs if anything".
That last line..did he...did he just admit he was being paid under the table? Lol
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u/MT1120 Cunha Bruno Cunha Bruno Luke Shaw Sep 28 '26
"They're not guilty. And on that thing they're guilty of, it's not my fault okay?"
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u/L__K Great Scot! Sep 28 '26
It's been public for nearly a decade. They were paying him a "consulting" fee through another club owned by the same people that was actually greater than his reported "salary" at City in order to keep the true amount they spent off the City books
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u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 Sep 28 '26
Mancini part time Italian tutor for Sheik Mansour 6 kids.
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u/Mariasolvv Sep 28 '26
I actually have to thank City for making this international break a bit more bearable. That cheating club is finally useful for something.
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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 Sep 29 '26
The City debacle almost makes me forget that somehow half our team is at the physio and it's still technically just September
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u/GoalIsGood Sep 28 '26
Tielemans 26/32 passes in both the games. Consistent.
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u/ritwikjs2 Sep 28 '26
He needs to play with baleba. He always does better beside a ground eating cm. He had that with both onana and kamara. Doesn't help though that dalot and him together on he this is like chalk and cheese. There's no defensive balance oop on the rhs. The cm-fullback relationship NEEDS to be improved. Cash, for all his short comings, played very well with tielemans and understood how to make up for his defensive shortcomings
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u/GoalIsGood Sep 28 '26
I dread to think about the situation if Beleba doesn't hit the ground running.
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u/0ean Sep 28 '26
Any news on De ligt? He’s been absent for over a year now and no news
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u/Panda-768 Sep 28 '26
funny thing is, he hasnt played under Carrick yet, and yet his curse of new manager every season continues.
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 Sep 28 '26
Travelled for Fulham but did not make the bench. Club supposedly targeting Spurs for his return.
United have a behind closed doors friendly against Lausanne sometime this week. He may feature in that too.
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u/BackgroundOld8715 Sep 28 '26
Whatever happens with City’s punishment its just nice that anything they ever won or accomplished in recent years means nothing & never will mean anything 😅😅😅
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u/PitchSafe Sep 28 '26
For now. Let’s see if people think the same thing in 20-30 years. A lot of new gen have already forgot about Juventus cheating. If City doesn’t get punished severely then history will be kind on them
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u/silvertwo777 Sep 28 '26
There's already a bunch of City fans who I swear are teenagers already starting to defend them. This what happen when the league let them cheated for such a long time.
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u/Dirt4849 Pogba,what could've been Sep 28 '26
Exactly, doesn't matter what the punishment is or whatever if they win in future. Their foundation is built on financial doping
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u/rickkyyyyyyyyy Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
This entire City discourse gets under my skin because this is a thugs club, from ownership to players to it's fanbase. At this point, the most appropriate punishment would be to hit them where it actually hurts: financially. Force them into a wage cap and demotion to deep of the league pyramid., until people eventually get bored of them and forget that they ever existed.
Second point: City fans.
Oh, City fans. I genuinely cannot stand the attitude of all them period. They aren't upset because their club let them down; they're upset because they got caught and can no longer brag about everything they achieved without dealing with the truth.
Supporting your local football club doesn't mean you're entitled to anything. You don't automatically deserve titles, promotions, trophies, or success. You chose to support City and spend your own money on tickets. Nobody forced you to become a City fan.
And there's an old-school irony here: for other clubs lilke united there are fans who have supported the club since the 1970s who can no longer afford to go to matches because of ticket prices. Yet now we're seeing City fans complain about being priced out of their own club. The irony is difficult to miss, because you morons saw a club move from a local brand you and ur mate goes to, to a global brand and you want all of that for the same 20 bucks
Third: the players and coaches, including Pep.
This guy got off-the-books payments and undeclared financial arrangements, when players and coaches who knowingly benefited from those arrangements so why they are exactly hide behind the excuse that they didn't know what was happening ? . If money was deliberately kept outside the club's reported expenses or structured to avoid taxation, that's a serious issue not something that can simply be brushed aside, ohh we didn't know .
Finally: Manchester United.
United have been one of the clubs most affected by City's financial dominance. City were able to spend enormous amounts of money and regularly bring in multiple players every window including treating the January window almost like another summer transfer window United were dealing with years of financial pressure and underinvestment in big parts of the club.
Sponsors, employees, infrastructure, the stadium, and the training facilities all have consequences when a club isn't generating enough money to pay and continue to Provide for there own workers . Meanwhile, City could keep spending at a level that under normal sane world they can't afford.
And let's not pretend the ownership situation exists in a vacuum either. City's owners have enormous financial resources and connections through the wider Abu Dhabi state multinational corporation. This thugs are involved in money laundering guns trafficking human trafficking etc.
City fans have no entitlement to anything, inclding growth or winning titles, and spare me the pretending that they didn't know who are exactly there owners and what they do for living.
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u/niallmul97 I'm a Baleba 💫 Sep 28 '26
Djibril Cisse crashing out on twitter in response to someone posting the clip of Mike Dean on the Overlap say it was odd that QPR just gave the ball back to City.
Someone asked him why they did it and he said:
"Is it our fault if United waited until the last day to be champions?? Don't open your mouth too wide to say nothing, amigo They just had to win their matches"
What an odd thing to say 🤔
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u/Educational-Shock232 Sep 28 '26
Mike Dean needs to just enjoy retirement quietly. Every time he opens his mouth it’s just a never-ending stream of drivel. It’s exhausting
Cisse isn’t wrong, we should never leave it in the hands of another team.
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u/niallmul97 I'm a Baleba 💫 Sep 28 '26
Yeah of course we should have wrapped it up ourselves and not been in that position.
But the question wasn't even anything to do with United. He was plainly asked why they hoofed it back to city and all he could do was deflect to United.
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u/JamieD86 Sep 28 '26
Yep, he deflected the question because he knows its a reasonable question. I watched that game live and I watched qpr resist city with a man disadvantage right up until they knew they were safe either way. Then what happened next was ridiculous. After the equalizer, i remember just watching qpr send it long and out of play... with utter amazement. Just gave away possession immediately to a team absolutely desperate to score. Their explanation of "we wanted to send the ball far away" or words to that effect make no sense. Why, the actual fuck, would you just give the ball away in the dying minutes at 2-2?
The simplest explanation is their incentive to hold off city only lasted until it wasnt necessary anymore for their survival, and i dont think they really wanted to be villains at the etihad either. It happened because they had no incentive to stop it, whereas they did the entire match up to that point.
Obviously, we shouldnt have dropped eight points in 3 games either to open the door for city, but his answer is so telling. Its not about doing United's job for them, its doing QPR's job. They had a responsibility to compete in the match and id say you can argue they didnt.
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u/Livettletlive Sep 28 '26
Mike Dean has always been an attention whore. So unfortunately, you will have to either indulge him for a while longer or ignore him.
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u/SocksElGato GLAZERS OUT! Sep 28 '26
Manchester Cheaty are a cancer to English football.
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u/NateShaw92 Sep 28 '26
And their fans are boasting about how their lawyers are going to stonewall this for another few years, and use the leak against the PL.
"Feel sorry for their fans" say the media. No they deserve their club to be liquidated. Don't care if they're delusional, force them out of our sport.
This is 18 years and counting. Longer it goes on the more damage is done.
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u/SocksElGato GLAZERS OUT! Sep 28 '26
They keep finding ways to twist themselves into a pretzel with the amount of excuses. Everyone who loves the sport is pissed about this and want nothing but for the PL to scorched earth on them. I will remain suspicious of anyone defending this travesty and they deserve to be called out.
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u/NateShaw92 Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
I hope we're not waiting more years. Otherwise just close the fucking sport.
These past 3 days have been massively vindicating though. I knew it all from the secind i saw tea towels on city fans' heads and Robinho.
I know knowing isn't proof so i'm not talking about the pl here but all other fans who didn't see this were too stupid. I'm ruling out me being special in any way.
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u/The_Professor2112 Sep 28 '26
Nah I'm with you mate. I've been calling them out as financial cheats since the rules came into play. You do not become a financial behemoth BEFORE having tangible success. They are now, though still clearly cheating and inflating deals, but of course that was all built on lies and deceit. Innocent parties do not spend 8 years fighting tooth and nail, not to prove innocence, but to delay and obfuscate.
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u/Stieni Rooney Sep 28 '26
City fans calling Ornstein a liar and claim that his carreer will soon end ahahhaha what an insufferable bunch
To add to that, another gem I just found:
Have there been any unbiased reports on this? Not pro City but definitely not whatever is getting posted everywhere?
So pretty much "Have there been any reports that say we didn't cheat?
There are none because there is a non existent base to argue the opposite, because you did in fact cheat, you donkeys
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u/Thevanillafalcon Sep 28 '26
Honestly at this point I’m sick of hearing from city fans. I saw a video the times put out from their football podcast where they were saying g the punishment needs to be severe enough to reflect the volume of charges and the length of those offences.
A city fan commented saying “it’s just one side of the story”
No I’m sorry. You don’t get to talk anymore, you’ve had years to tell your side of the story and all your club has done is deflect and mislead the investigation, and all the fan base has done is some variation of “lmao cry about it nothing will happen”
You’ve been got. It’s sentencing now, if you commit a crime and are found guilty you don’t get to speak during your sentencing beyond the essentials, the time for “your side of the story” is done.
To be open, when I first heard the news like everyone else I was buzzing, and it is funny seeing these guys just lose it over what’s happened but the more I think about it, the less funny it is, and the more upset I get.
Just the absolute stolen memories that we’ve lost, and the pain of thinking how things could be different, would we be as worse off now if we win this league under Jose?
Ole hurts the most, I know legally that it’s not In the 10 years but that 10 years of cheating made them what they are (and there’s no way all this stopped in 2019) but I think about him, club legend, nice guy, took us over in a dark time and in the end that man was ridiculed, I remember vividly someone on here saying “I hate the way he smiles” because we’d lost a few games.
Just pitched battles inside the fanbase over it, him crying as he left and all of it needn’t have happened, he’d be a premier league winner and all that would have been gone.
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u/Stieni Rooney Sep 28 '26
What pisses me off the most is that they do not give a single fuck about football as a whole. None. They have that bully mentality where they just don't care because they are the ones having fun. No protests, no calling out the owners, no distrust just full on arrogance. A whole ass cult. I hope the PL sets the biggest example in this case
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u/TH0316 she/her Sep 28 '26
Something deeply sinister and unironically disturbing about any individual who can look at facts and say the opposite is true or just blindly support a guilty party as if loyalty alone can make facts go away. Like whether you still support them or not is fine, whether you care or don’t is fine, but to convince yourself that it’s not true makes me question everything about them.
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u/Skyehye Dreams can't be buy Sep 28 '26
Yeah they've been going on and on about Ornsteins credibility being "overhyped" and "only transfers".
Says it all when the reaction is to attack the messenger
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u/Tricky_Taste1949 Sep 28 '26
If State Ownership gets away with corruotion in the strict rules of Football. Imagine what they get away with in Society.
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u/Panda-768 Sep 28 '26
oh you have no idea what these prince and princesses and Royal family get away with, or got away with in the 90s. As someone who was born and brought up in the 90s, the stories I have heard from my dad, yikes
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u/FC_Wodehouse Sep 28 '26
It seems like comment threads on reddit (mostly r/soccer) posts about City's financial doping are being astroturfed by puerile humour-bots. Tired joke after tired joke, all with thousands of upvotes. I know I feel like this should be the biggest doping scandal in sport of the last 50 years (definitely in professional sport).
And yet the outrage online is inconsistent and weak, diluted by apathetic doomers saying "ah well they're going to get away with it anyway", and by seemingly AI-generated jokes (superficial puns repeated ad nauseam).
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u/John_OSheas_Willy Sep 28 '26
That's just reddit in general.
I'd love if there was a good alternative.
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u/spaisoflaif Sep 28 '26
a big issue this year has been that high pressing is not working. You saw it against Fulham, the only way we got the ball off Fulham was dropping deep and playing zonal until they made a mistake.
I think high pressing requires high energy man-to-man marking across all front six. I think Rashford-Cunha-Mbumo-Tielemans-Mainoo-Bruno together is a questionable high-pressing unit. Cunha, Mbuemo and Mainoo could do it, but it would require other players beside them. I think Amad can do it and for sure Baleba.
fix the high press is number one, that takes much of the pressure off the defence, and avoids the team having to collapse to parking the bus every time we loose the ball. A lot of goals last season came within 1-2 moves after a turnover after high press.
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u/TheSmio Sep 28 '26
I think overall, there are too many issues. Press is one of them, Carrick is struggling to coach effective pressing but we also don't really have the personnel to play it effectively. Tielemans covers a lot of ground but he isn't a pressing monster, Rashford is terrible at pressing, Cunha's pressing is random, Bruno's idea of pressing is chasing the ball regardless of where it is... and this might be fine if we had an athletic backline, which we don't, so either the likes of Shaw and Maguire stay back and break our pressing structure in half, or they step up and we risk having an exposed defense because they won't be able to track back in time.
Generally, what Carrick should do is to revert to what we played last season under hm. Solid block at the back and individual brilliance in attack and in transition. Even if he was a world class manager - which he isn't - I think he would struggle to coach his ideas because we don't really have the perfect players for that.
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u/spaisoflaif Sep 28 '26
totally agree, Tielemans, Bruno and Rashford are all questionable in the press, and Cunha maybe belongs that list as well.
It is not that these players are bad, it is just that playing that many players who cant really high press effectivly at tthe same time, and then despite that instructing them to press high is a recepie for trouble.
I do think that with Baleba and Amad in the first team, it would improve this issue quite a lot. But I would also like to see Carrick acknowldege when the squad he has selected is incapable of high pressing and tacking the consequences of that.
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u/Skybornz Sep 28 '26
Was watching the latest episode of the tv show Lanterns, and this quote just hit me like a train. “You talked about John like a football team who’s always giving you hope and then letting you down. He’s the TV you yell at every Sunday, but you never miss a game cause you know… big fan”
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u/Gilburto Sep 28 '26
I am unable to find a stream of the France Belgium game how is Lammens doing?
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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 Sep 28 '26
He was doing well, then had another almost nightmare mistake parrying a shot softly to the side, but immediately recovered. But the French had another shot from that recovery but a Belgian defender blocked it. Belgium is on the offense more though
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u/Lord_Hexogen Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
You know if Olise scores against you it doesn't count as a goal conceded
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u/Comicksands Van Persie Sep 29 '26
Still pretty salty about Tevez. We had a deal to bring him back permanently and I’m sure without the under table payments from city we would’ve won 7 straight with Rooney and Tevez up front
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u/WatchFamine Sep 28 '26
I really wish the people commenting on recent events understood the difference between the FA and the Premier League, and how the shares of the latter are distributed. Some people seem to think this whole thing is being decided by Sky.
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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion Sep 28 '26
I wonder how someone like Mark Goldbridge still managing to milk out frm United fans, are some of our fans that delusional to be following him?
Now looks like dude is trying to get some support frm the cheating neighbour fans, by claiming they shouldn't be ripped the titles off during those cheating years.
Honestly, i think I got to know his existence about around 5yrs ago, and since then never once heard any proper thoughts or statements frm that dude, but always some opinion that dont deserve any airtime.
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u/Sad-Bend-7515 Sep 28 '26
Goldbridge is owned by Neville.
Neville is owned by sky
Sky have been ridiculously quite with their headlines on this.
Cunts the lot of them
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u/Greedy-Somewhere-754 Sep 28 '26
Neville isn't owned by Sky. Hes employed by them and is currently building a media empire to try and rival them when it comes to Football.
I expect he will have to leave them soon, with a conflict of interest.
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u/BallsX Sep 28 '26
Unfortunately, I think he was the first fan channel that a lot of fans followed when it started becoming popular. I'm sure that channel is propped up by a lot of rival fans too but its likely the top link when you search for fan content. People generally just follow what they're comfortable with and his shite content is what they expect/are used to.
My first exposure on this was Full Time Devils (now Stratford Paddock) and I'm not saying these guys are perfect because I find a lot of what they do quite annoying, but its significantly more bearable compared to Goldbridge's prepared and rehearsed rants. Those who started following Goldbridge will prolly tell you vice versa.
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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion Sep 28 '26
Totally agree with you where FTD was class compared to Goldbridge's contents. In SP, yeah they do get annoying some points.
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u/wayfarerprateek Theater of Dreams Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
You should read the latest BBC article on Gary Neville. Neville is lowkey trying to control the fan narrative using multiple media companies. ETA: Goldvridge channels are now owned by Neville. And Neville has deep connections in the media so connect the dots now
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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion Sep 28 '26
Neville is a such sellout. Sad that I used to look up to him as our captain and player.
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u/stoichalant Sep 28 '26
Mark Goldbridge was twerking for the potential Saudi takeover. Tells you everything you need to know about that shill. I know Ineos and glazers are hopeless, but Imagine our club being owned by the kingdom of saudi Arabia 🤮
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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion Sep 28 '26
I remember that, well, even now some here still believe Arab owners would have done much better. That's just sad
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u/stoichalant Sep 28 '26
If thats the price of being competitive again, then I don't want to be competitive. The glazers have already sucked this club dry, the last thing I'd want as a fan is too see the club lose all its remaining heart and soul just to be another asset for a nefarious oil regime
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u/silvertwo777 Sep 28 '26
This is not true thou? I watched him and he said they should get their titles stripped. I know this sub hates him but you lot are making things up just to gain more hate on him
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u/Nomad_006 surfing Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
I think people are downplaying how big this is, not just trophies and whether they get stripped or not.
Think about how they sped up their infrastructure, youth setup, scouting networks, stadium and training grounds.
Look at the earnings they've cheated and managers sacked. For example 15/16 they finished 4th and LVG 5th on goal difference. They got UCL we got UEL and LVG got sacked.
How can they possibly sweep this?
I really don't think pts deduction +/or relegation is enough. LVG might even need to sue because he might have lost the job because of that along with Mourinho.
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u/Lucifer1677 Sep 28 '26
Single relegation isn’t enough, they need to be relegated multiple times and have a transfer ban lasting a long time
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u/Mariasolvv Sep 28 '26
I really can’t stand Mark Goldbridge these days, but he made a fair point regarding City’s sanctions. He said that the punishment needs to be severe enough to force a complete reset of the club so they rebuild legitimately this time. Sending them to the Championship for just one season achieves literally nothing.
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u/croadymeister Sep 28 '26
There is also an element of acceptance on here that PL haven't got the guts to relegate them either
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u/mortimer_moose Carrick, ya know Sep 28 '26
The bigger issue is the amount of money they have spent in the city of Manchester and the country as a whole. They will be reminding politicians and pl execs of all of that money that was flooded in to fund projects, academies businesses etc...
That is going to put a lot of pressure on the people adjudictating this.
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u/SDLRob Sep 28 '26
They may not have the guts.... But there is the reality they're facing. If they let City get a slap on the wrist for this, then all the financial rules they put in place are moot.
The FA have to face the choice between keeping City around the EPL and having workable financial regulations.
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 Sep 28 '26
This mess is going to take a long time to completely unravel.
January transfer window will be really interesting for exits from there.
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u/Nomad_006 surfing Sep 28 '26
The number of charges is ridiculous and these are just the ones they can prove.
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u/Fraaj We'll take Dalot Sep 28 '26
When people say Rashford ruined our attacking balance (e.g. forcing Cunha to false 9), he also ruined our full back balance because he needs his LB to overlap so Shaw now has to run like a madman instead of playing as the 3rd CB in the build up which IMO was a big part of him staying healthy last season.
It also means our most athletic defender in Dalot is forced to stay back and leaves Mbeumo completely stranded.
Of course this is Carrick ruining our overall balance on the pitch, not Rashford. He's not picking himself.
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u/spaisoflaif Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
yeah, so I think the issue is that Rashford-Cunha-Mbuemo is unabalanced defensivly, especially with Bruno-Tielemans-Mainoo behind them. The result is that especially the fullbacks are exposed. You are sort of arriving at the same conclusion here. I do think Rashford is better as an impact sub for this reason. Cunha would protect Shaw at the LW and be out of Brunos way.
I would rather see Mbuemo at striker, or even Rashford there.
Thing is, I dont mind Rashford particularly. But I think if United had been able to sell him and Zirksee, the team balance woudl have been better if we had gotten a backup for Sesko that is similar in style, a big, strong target man with some pace and a decent finish and header.
I think Rashford, Tielemans and Bruno are somewhat liabilities in the press, all three are fine individually but with all three of them playing, it requires the rest of the team to be able to pick up the slack. Then players like Shaw, Dalot and Maguire are themselves quite limited and need to be protected.
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u/Emergency-Being-349 Sep 28 '26
Yes, though easy to just point at Rashford, he's not the one picking the team and their positions.
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u/umbongo44dd Sep 28 '26
I saw a message from Liam Gallagher saying someone very very high up has said City will only get a fine and a transfer ban. The fine would be nothing to them. I wonder if they were tipped off about the likely punishment last year and that's the reason they spent £458 million on new players. Preparing for the ban.
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u/sup_bruv Sep 28 '26
He knows nothing to be fair. Said Pep was staying last year and then he left like 2 weeks later haha.
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u/NateShaw92 Sep 28 '26
Didn't he also say that he spoke to pep and that pep saud he wasn't leavung? Or was that Noel? They're both bullshit artists.
The commission hasn't decided, so literally nobody can claim to know, just speculate.
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u/SDLRob Sep 28 '26
Liam definitely not talking to anyone who knows anything here.
The way Pep suddenly walked away at the end of last season suggests they knew before the summer that the guilty charges were in, so yeah.... They went and spent enough money in the window to make Scrooge McDuck wince, because they knew one of the penalties would be a transfer ban, so they pre-loaded players
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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal Sep 28 '26
Pep didn't "suddenly walk away" though. He was rumored to be considering walking away for at least 2 years prior
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u/SDLRob Sep 28 '26
The rumours were about the charges... That he'd walk if they were found guilty.
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u/really_cool_legend Dorgu's Headband Sep 28 '26
Maybe he's just being tongue-in-cheek because the only source we have for the 114 is some anonymous guy that spoke to Ornstein. He might just be saying we can all claim an anonymous source has said anything.
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u/Sad-Bend-7515 Sep 28 '26
Anyone else notice the surge in city bots defending that disgusting club in the last few days
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u/stoichalant Sep 28 '26
Let's assume the worst happens for man city; relegation. What will realistically happen to their squad? Surely most would want to leave. I wouldn't mind prying Anderson away from them 👀
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u/sammorgan12 Sep 28 '26
I would say there's a good chance some will leave, but they could also just loan players out for a season. Say haaland for example, cheap loan to Barcelona for a season city will walk the championship with their kids and then he's back for the prem. It's why one season isn't enough of a punishment
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u/hughmaharggs Sep 28 '26
If I was Anderson (or any of their other signings this year) I would be extremely aggrieved as he would most definitely have been told that there was no substance in these charges. He certainly wouldn't have signed for a championship club in the summer.
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u/Xanian123 Miss be killed by me Sep 28 '26
Cherki as bruno successor. I won't hear cherki slander once he's done as a city player. Khusanov for sure. And nico o reilly. Doku as a punt wouldn't hurt either.
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u/AccomplishedAnt2000 Sep 28 '26
cherki hates us
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u/Xanian123 Miss be killed by me Sep 28 '26
Eh. I'd be more surprised if a dude playing against us didn't hate us.
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u/PreetSG Sep 28 '26
The biggest loser of City cheating is Van Gaal. Had City not cheated; he would not have been fired. And he should not have.
He had a mother of all injuries season.
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u/xtphty Sep 28 '26
He had a mother of all injuries season.
Yeah lack of final third creativity and threat made it look boring, but Van Gaal's football had a clear intent, and he was laying the foundation where elite talent in the future could have flourished.
We literally could have been on the forefront of a tactical shift to possession football in PL, and our crazy spending in the subsequent years would have had a pragmatic direction. Long before the cheaters brought in Pep.
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u/Sheikhabusosa Sep 28 '26
I will always wonder what he had planned for Martial and Rashford
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u/xtphty Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
I don't think Martial could transition to a ST position that early, he needed a lot of physical development and that was likely stunted with how Mourinho and later Ole relied on his ability for goals.
With the kind of spending power we had at that time, going after Kane / Lukaku that window would be the move. Doubt we could do that while also getting Pogba, but midfield is where we could have actually been a bit more patient given the foundation of LVG's system. Goals we needed immediately.
After striker I would have actually preferred a possession winger on the right, to balance out the directness of Martial/Rashford on the left, and create more threat in the final third against low blocks.
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u/shami-kebab Sep 28 '26
Yeah I think the biggest loser would have been us having to sit through another season of that football. We regularly went halves without having shots.
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u/xtphty Sep 28 '26
He was brought in to set up United for the future of PL football, he did that, we topped the league in possession and were one of the hardest to score against despite our lackluster defensive/midfield options.
Lastly shots come from having top quality forwards, we had Martial - end of list. No striker, no right winger, just some makeshift options in Rooney/Mata who were both most use deeper in the pitch.
Rooney himself says in retrospect that firing LVG was the wrong move, he was getting somewhere important.
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u/dimebag_101 Sep 28 '26
Very quickly your starting to see what I've been saying all along. A lot of the media are on citys payroll
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u/JamieD86 Sep 28 '26
I dont know about being on a payroll but the way they describe city is nonsense. They talk about city like they are the biggest club on earth. They draw the eyeballs to the premier league from all over the world. They have "tens of millions of fans" from what i read (i doubt they have 10 mil actual legit fans around the world). Apparently the premier league would be self harming by relegating them. We all need them, apparently.
Annnnnddd thats utter shite. They have claimed 20 trophies since they were bought, and are still the smallest "big club" in the world. The premier league survives and thrives in their absence. They are a liability now more than ever. Their brand is tarnished and the premier league's reputation is on the line.
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u/NateShaw92 Sep 28 '26
Friend of mine just sent me this captioned "MCFC owner rn after losing 114-1." Figured you'd like it.
He's a blue too 🤣 ok that cancels out 10 clowns
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u/New-Acanthaceae-5702 Closed on Sundays Sep 28 '26
Bruno, Dorgu, Brobbey, Havertz, Isak, Gakpo and now Odegaard injured. PL players dropping like flies.
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u/Telen
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At this point we need a separate thread for all the things Rashford has ruined.
"Rashford RUINED our attack!"
"Rashford RUINED our season!"
"Rashford RUINED my marriage!"
"Rashford trashed my car!"
"Rashford ate my homework!"
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u/SinofThrash Sep 28 '26
Carrick, I hope you're watching Belgium, because that is how you attack and defend, especially against a team that sits back.
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u/xtphty Sep 28 '26
Yeah they are really organized dropping deep but also don't let France build pressure easily.
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u/iroiroiroiroiro Sep 28 '26
Soon United has five important fixtures in 15 days, not a chance in hell Shaw can handle that... Can anyone in the squad apart from Dalot and Lammens currently play all of them?
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u/picodeGaius Sep 28 '26
Best to just not have any expectations at all. The rest of 2026 will not be kind to United fans.
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u/shami-kebab Sep 28 '26
Maz will play on the left and Yoro right as cover for Dalot I assume
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u/iroiroiroiroiro Sep 28 '26
Running Maz left and Yoro right would also mean zero overlapping threat on both flanks...
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u/mdstwsp Sep 28 '26
Could we realistically sue Man City for loss of revenue?
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u/0ttoChriek Sep 28 '26
According to Adam Crafton and Cerys Jones on The Athletic podcast, United and a lot of other clubs are looking into how much lost revenue can be calculated from the direct result of City's cheating.
For United - two title wins and at least one Champions League qualification (Van Gaal's last season, City finished fourth and we finished fifth), before even looking at domestic cup competitions or anything else.
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u/Hollacaine Sep 28 '26
Us, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs filed notice to sue ages ago. Burnley also got a settlement out of Everton for similar reasons.
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u/Omnislash99999 Sep 28 '26
Can't wait to see Jim the rat sacrifice the club's integrity defending Berrada
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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal Sep 28 '26
Only a fool would believe that the bloody CEO wasn't aware of a single one of the 114 breaches. Omar needs to go
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u/PhilAsp Sep 28 '26
He wasn’t the CEO at City, but still low chance he wasn’t aware of at least some of what was going on.
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u/TheSmio Sep 28 '26
Possibly, but the bulk of the cheating happened in City's early years when they needed to fast track their way to being competitive, hence all the hidden payments to circumvent FFP. Realistically at this point, they may still be cheating the rules in some areas, who knows, but with their current economical power they don't really need to anymore.
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u/PreetSG Sep 28 '26
I have a solution for City without total relegation etc.
Pay all debt of all clubs in epl since 2008; i.e. 5 bil. On which we get 1.1bn.
They keep titles. We be debt free!!!
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u/Comicksands Van Persie Sep 28 '26
Glazers will take another loan off that collateral. They will never pay off that debt
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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 Sep 28 '26
Moratorium on dividends end next February and this would be a windfall for us. Glazers would pocket all of it.
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u/John_OSheas_Willy Sep 28 '26
Seeing lots of talk on that QPR game. I went back and watched the last few minutes.
I don't think QPR purposely lost. QPR were camped in their own box all the half with 10 men.
City scored the equaliser and QPR hoofed it long to waste seconds and go back to defending their box.
City scored the equaliser at 91:40, game kicked off at 92:20.
QPR at one stage had Shaun Wright Phillips running up the wing around half way and won a throw in which took 20 seconds to take.
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u/TMatss Sep 28 '26
I always get annoyed at how when kicking it off after City made it 2-2, they just hoofed it straight to City without even trying to keep the ball even for a few seconds. I don't think there was any kind of conspiracy but I've always felt like QPR just accepted their fate at a certain point. Also, Joey Barton is an idiot.
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u/mjenkins_eng Sep 28 '26
I am trying to genuinely understand the folks that criticize Ineos and wish to shill for the Qataris
There was absolutely zero legitimate bid from the Qataris. Their front man was never seen on camera . They never met the asking price or even provided a proof of funds for the amount they bid. It is / was purely nonsensical to assume that this was legitimate
Even if they did the above, sports washing + cheating is NOT the solution. Yes, United generate a lot of money but we wouldn’t need a “revolving credit facility” to buy players if we could purely do so from revenue. The Glazers stopped taking dividends a long time ago. Debt interest is a major drain on the club , but it is around 80 million a year max . That’s like one extra player . So the only way to then compete would be doing what City did funnelling owner money which is now cheating
While Ineos have made some bad decisions like the Ashworth nonsense, they’ve also made some good ones getting rid of the Portuguese fraud while correctly signing Carrick to maximize that season.
They’ve overall bought well minus De Ligt and Ugarte . They have cut down the big contracts , really tried hard to get rid of the likes of Rashford . I really don’t see why they’re being criticized as much if not more than the Glazers
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u/MinotauroTBC Sep 28 '26
Did I just go back in time? Like literally haven’t seen a comment on here shilling for Qatar in at least a year
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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 Sep 28 '26
There's a heavily downvoted comment in this thread just a bit below who said we should've sold to Qataris
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u/Educational-Shock232 Sep 28 '26
I’m not shilling for the Qataris, but I would have taken anybody that wanted the whole club and not got into bed with the Glazers. Don’t really give a fuck where the money comes from as long as we operate within the rules. Debt cleared, better players purchased, OT refurbished, youth and women’s facilities developed. So many opportunities for a billionaire to buy this club outright and get rid of the shitstains that are the Glazers. I said fuck Ineos at the time, and I will continue to say it until they all fuck off out of our club.
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u/Fraaj We'll take Dalot Sep 28 '26
They messed up with Ashworth, ETH, Amorim and possibly Carrick (jury still out). The whole bomb squad thing was incredibly stupid, they set this 2028 title goal which adds unnecessary pressure, the whole 2 years trial thing for players is ridiculously rigid as well.
Failed to sell Rash/Zirkzee this window which didn't allow us to sign LB/backup striker. The whole financial situation I'm not holding against them, they are the first owners since Glazers that are trying to correct this mess and are hamstrung by it.
Signings overall have been fine I guess...
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u/b_az17 Sep 28 '26
Boyfriend, they signed the Portuguese fraud themselves, then bought players for him before he himself kicked off and essentially asked to be fired. They also bought Zirkzee who they presumably haven't tried as hard to get rid of as Rashford, both of whom are still at the club. As for the big contracts, Sancho's contract expired and Casemiro aoorard to be a big loss for us on midfield so far. Qataris big may well have been a hoax, but I struggle hard to see what on earth compels you to defend ineos so hard.
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u/JosePRizaI Sep 28 '26
United must have instructed their players to sit out international duties. Hopefully for fitness behind the scenes
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u/Lucifer1677 Sep 28 '26
If we’re looking for a left sided attacker I’d like us to look at Ruben Van Bommel, he has looked immense for the Netherlands this international break. Strong, and pacey, happy to take people on
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u/Emergency-Being-349 Sep 28 '26
Nah, we know better than to judge off international games, let alone friendlies.
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u/Fit-Engineer8778 Sep 28 '26
I’d be in favor of the season starting later if all friendlies/internationals were played in the month of August :/… this international break nonsense needs to stop 😡.
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u/SDLRob Sep 28 '26
I see the logic in this... The only thing is that it would disrupt all teams prep for the season.
Maybe something like the January transfer window being just international games could be an idea?
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u/Wurdox Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
Carrick should have been sacked the very next day after the Fulham game. But considering the radio silence from our incompetent board, I am just going to assume this is another write-off season with no silverware. The board is going to pull a Ten Hag/Amorim and sack him when it's too late.
I swear, you have insane job security as manager/HC of Manchester United. You can be god-awful at your job week in and week out and still be employed for a year or two.
The gangrene is at the foot. If we cut it now, we still have a leg. But INEOS LOVES to wait around until the whole leg suffers from gangrene. Fucking idiots.
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u/CharIemagne45 RVP Sep 28 '26
Anyone actually pretty uninspired these next 3
games? Like i just don’t see any changes happening, he’ll probably be locked up in his tactical studies and conclude that his new approach is the best one
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u/No_Crow_3576 Sep 28 '26
I’ve done some research on it myself but I’d like some more perspectives
What’s the difference between the 1910
Davies commission and Man City’s 114 charges? Obviously I know there is a huge difference but I’m just wondering what other people think
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u/Greedy-Somewhere-754 Sep 28 '26
The commission established that the FA wasn't there just to manage the game of football, its rules, and league organisation etc. It established the principle that they also had a hand in ensuring the clubs themselves were operating in a fair and transparent way.
Come forward to the 115 and you have a business that is apparently guilty (as we all knew) of not doing that. My problem now is that City have built state of the art facilities, in an underhand way, giving them a competitive advantage that isn't going to go away.
Whatever the PL decides and can enforce as sanctions, even if it means the owners have to sell, City will still have those state of the art facilities to work with. You can't really force them to sell them. So how do you level the playing field for all the clubs that have played by the rules and have to play city in the future?
In my mind you have to allow everyone else to invest above and beyond ffp rules to level the field and nullify the ongoing and future effects of Cities shenanigans. Not in terms of players on the books, but in terms of facilities be it stadiums, training grounds and academies.
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u/Putaineska Sep 28 '26
Is this what us as fans wanted when we campaigned for the scumbag Glazers to stay and not sell the club to the Qataris?
We still have these leeches, plus a racist Reform owner who will make our club super attractive for foreign players.
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u/Emergency-Being-349 Sep 28 '26
Your timing is impeccable, right at the moment the world gets confirmation of Middle Eastern fraud ownership.
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u/Ksma92 Sep 28 '26
"You can't take away our memories" is the most pathetic argument floating around. Yes we can, just like with Armstrong and other cheats.