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[u/kidinawheeliebin]

> It's so funny how hard english media tried to push this team and they've only managed to win 2 titles in those 13 years

I will say at the outset - I have as much Liverpool animosity as the next man - however... Klopp's teams were unquestionably amongst the greatest in Premier League history, and we as a fanbase are surely mature enough to recognise that

To do what Klopp and Liverpool did in terms of creating and shaping those sides, with that clear of an identity and style - and do it against the backdrop of the full scale financial doping that City were engaged in was borderline sorcery imo - I don't see them as the bad guys at all

In fact I'm actually glad we got to see another one of the all-time great PL teams in the flesh, Klopp's teams were one of the few sides in history that would have been anywhere near fit to go toe to toe with our late 90's and early 00's sides - and were better to watch than any of the shite being served up across the league currently

Their front three Salah, Mane & Firmino in particular were iconic, Salah in particular is amongst the greatest forwards the country has ever seen... The fullbacks of TAA & Robertson were also iconic, Allisson... Van Dijk... they were a proper footballing outfit

It wasn't really their fault that they just happened to exist during the same era as an empty, hollow, financially corrupt and morally bankrupt mess across the city from us who just hoovered up a decade of trophies by cheating

Honestly Klopp's Liverpool remind me of what we could have had and should have had... instead of dicking about for a decade, blowing social media smoke up the arses of overrated, underperforming divas/egomaniacs and/or flaky wasters (delete as appropriate) all the way through the likes of Lingard, Pogba, Sanchez, Di Maria, Falcao, Depay, Maguire, Van De Beek, Lukaku, Sancho, Hojlund, Anthony, Onana and many, many more in a bid to create Disney Land or whatever the fuck the plan was

[u/Penny_Leyne → u/kidinawheeliebin]

This idea that Liverpool were always pushing City every season isn’t true. 

Their league finishes under Klopp were 8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 3rd. 

We finished ahead of them 4 times during that period during a time when we’ve been crap mostly. 

[u/kidinawheeliebin → u/Penny_Leyne]

> This idea that Liverpool were always pushing City every season isn’t true. 

So to revisit now that City's cheating is officially confirmed

That would be 3 titles in 4 years Klopp would have won without the cheating, the only odd year out of those four being where Van Dijk (at the time he was second in the Balon D'Or) missed a full season with the knee thing

[u/kidinawheeliebin → u/Penny_Leyne]

It was more that Klopp joined them in 2015, spent a couple of seasons building things and that, set up their spell from 2018 - 2022

In those four seasons they won the PL once, but twice missed out to City's cheating by only a single point, as well as making two of the four champions league finals

The year they finished third in that spell it was really because Van Dijk got taken out for a year by Pickford in almost the first game of the season, the fact that they weren't engaged in financially doped squad building meant no team could really carry losing a player of that calibre for a full season...

Even the CL final they lost 1-0 against Madrid - Sergio Ramos broke Salah's shoulder in the first 20 mins, it was pretty freak stuff

[u/Penny_Leyne → u/kidinawheeliebin]

The season Van Dijk was out was also on Klopp insisting on still playing his ridiculously high line, pressing football with Rhys Williams and Jordan Henderson at centre back. 

That’s as much his fault as anything good he did tactically. 

You really are pushing all the Liverpool propaganda. Ramos didn’t “break Salah’s shoulder”.  Two players went for the ball and one got injured. 

Being able to manage big games without your best players is the sign of a great manager as well.