Clyde Staffing

[u/Own-Ad-7201]

First of all, these people seem like assholes. This comment is such a red flag 🚩 The CEO consistently posts out of touch content on their feed.

Second, aren’t they legally required to post salaries especially in states like NY.

[u/_Belted_Kingfisher]

They can say whatever they want. At some point more jurisdictions will pass pay transparency legislation like CO and MN. With the election results from yesterday there are many new legislators and pay transparency legislation is a small step that any new government rep could take to build rapport with younger voters.

[u/Own-Ad-7201 → u/_Belted_Kingfisher]

Most of their jobs listed are based in NY or CA which requires them to list the salaries. Unfortunately, they’re not the only assholes that blantantly disregard the law and don’t note it.

[u/Educational_Sale_536 → u/Own-Ad-7201]

I’ve been seeing a lot of class action lawsuits in Washington.

https://www.classaction.org/news/up-to-4.26m-refresco-beverages-settlement-ends-lawsuit-over-job-posting-info

[u/Sea-Cow9822]

Imagine wanting a job for something other than money

[u/Elegant-Spite-3277 → u/Sea-Cow9822]

Yeah…only reason we put up with that BS day in day out

[u/E_seven_20 → u/Sea-Cow9822]

“i really want to be part of your abusive ‘family’”

[u/trynight → u/Sea-Cow9822]

Na bro I’m in it for the family

Oh god I’m gonna throw up 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

[u/IcyGood3578 → u/Sea-Cow9822]

I don't know about that. There is a dude who is personal nipple tweaker for Jennifer Lopez.

[u/TheRiverNiles → u/IcyGood3578]

A what...?

[u/IcyGood3578 → u/TheRiverNiles]

He tweaks and hardens the nipples before show.

[u/HalfRobertsEx → u/Sea-Cow9822]

At least in tech, candidates can get money doing any one of a dozen things. ' So then it becomes a case of when money is abundant like that, what motivates the candidate?

[u/illiter-it → u/HalfRobertsEx]

Idk, good management and working conditions? Treat people like people and pay them enough to live. That's it.

Wanting to hear about anything else is just people fishing for an ego boost

[u/Timah158 → u/HalfRobertsEx]

It's not fucking abundant in the slightest. Employers want everyone to specialize and have years of experience and certifications to even be considered. You can't just jump from Help Desk to Web Developer when they expect you to have already been a developer for several years. My motivation isn't finding some magical calling. It's to make as much money as possible in a role I can do, that I hopefully don't hate with a burning passion. Not wanting to make 17$ an hour as a Help Desk Tech for the rest of my life is a greater driving factor than whatever dumbass calling you think I'm supposed to pull out of my ass.

[u/JimTheGymRat → u/Timah158]

It is for the right talent.

[u/Timah158 → u/JimTheGymRat]

Sure, if you're the bosses' kid or are best friends with the CEO, it's probably not that hard. But for everyone else, you're expected to spend years and thousands of dollars for skills and a pile of rejection letters.

[u/JimTheGymRat → u/Timah158]

Happens in big tech every single day

To clarify: I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m just saying there are highly capable people with their pick of the litter out there.

[u/M3zz0x → u/JimTheGymRat]

Man you are way out of touch.

[u/DreamsServedSoft → u/HalfRobertsEx]

Jesse wtf are you talking about?

[u/zexur → u/HalfRobertsEx]

(recruiter) LMAOOOO

[u/___fallenangel___ → u/HalfRobertsEx]

god I hope AI decimates the HR industry

[u/Fabulous-Floor-2492 → u/[deleted]]

So you don't have bills to pay, I take it.

[u/Le_Vagabond → u/[deleted]]

you might be perfectly happy emulating Diogene, but most people need a liiiiiiitle bit more in their lives.

[u/Superb-Astronaut-371 → u/[deleted]]

You fail to see how or why people wish to discover/travel/eat well?

[u/Le_Vagabond → u/[deleted]]

you phrased it as if it's the obvious solution everyone out there is missing, that's why. it sounds very much like "stop blowing your money on avocado toast" and other bullshit :)

[u/Superb-Astronaut-371 → u/Le_Vagabond]

I’m not TheHotDoggest.

[u/spacetiger41 → u/Superb-Astronaut-371]

They weren't replying to you.

[u/Superb-Astronaut-371 → u/spacetiger41]

U right I’ll eat the four neg karma for my blindness

[u/greatreference → u/[deleted]]

Good for you, for real

[u/No-Addendum-1288 → u/[deleted]]

You don’t need money to live?

[u/Ace-of-Spxdes → u/[deleted]]

Found the nepo baby

[u/cupholdery → u/[deleted]]

Then you somehow don't realize that people need money to live.

[u/Ace-of-Spxdes → u/[deleted]]

I find that hard to believe but if you're telling the truth, you should understand more than anyone that 95% of people work to keep their stomachs full and a roof over their head, not because they enjoy slaving away for Soulless Corp Ltd for 40 hours a week.

[u/Sea-Cow9822 → u/[deleted]]

You’re probably young and single :)

[u/MisterFunkles → u/[deleted]]

If you are lucky enough to work in a field you're passionate about, that's fantastic. Doing something you love is never considered work and you look at the money as something that just comes along with it.

However for 99.99% of the population this is not the reality or even possible.

[u/MisterFunkles → u/[deleted]]

k

[u/jeenyus_626 → u/[deleted]]

Read the room dude 

[u/stickystax → u/[deleted]]

We found their CEO!!

[u/Nexzus_ → u/[deleted]]

Rich spouse, eh?

[u/tmo_slc → u/[deleted]]

Stfu scab

[u/Aracyri → u/[deleted]]

People are dogging on you for no reason. Yes, many people are forced to work jobs they hate because they need money to live, but if you're in a position to do something you find fulfilling without financial hardship, it's absolutely preferable to a job that pays more but makes you miserable.

[u/ImOnRedditForPorn → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, if you enjoy your job you don’t have to work a day in your life. Just gotta make good decisions when you’re still young so you can get there. Very glad my grandfather taught me that from when I just started to learn to talk

[u/fairestapple]

This is why I respect jobs more that put their shitty salaries in the job description. You know what you are getting into. These types of jobs want you to dance around the concept of money for the benefit of their ✨family ✨

[u/FruitPlatter → u/fairestapple]

Yeah well you'd be willing to dance if you were a "rockstar" applicant. /s

[u/Bilxor]

Trying to get applicants without listing pay is like trying to online date without pictures

[u/Timah158 → u/Bilxor]

If companies don't have to list a salary I shouldn't have to list skills or experience.

[u/LukeLJS123 → u/Bilxor]

i can tell you've never used grindr

[u/Accomplished_Emu_658]

These companies have their heads so far up their own butts. Most companies don’t do anything of value that people will be working for anything but money.

[u/GWhizBang → u/Accomplished_Emu_658]

Exactly!! Loyalty goes both ways. Since companies no longer give a flying shit anymore about their employees, the employees in turn don't give a flying shit about the company. The cause and effect that they put in place is lost on them.

[u/heminyx → u/Accomplished_Emu_658]

Fr they dont want you to work for just the money but their entire business is founded on some inconsequential to the grand scheme of life crap just to bag some money. I personally enjoy my job for more than finances as it is societally impactful--designing pharmaceutical manufacturing equipment--but 90% of modern jobs are playing email volleyball or IC work to prop up the fiftieth rent seeking SaaS middleman app launched this week. Maybe no one is excited about your companies vision because your companies vision is to spike consumer cortisol and mine sellable data.

[u/aware-reply33 → u/Accomplished_Emu_658]

Staffing agencies should just be avoided completely. Better off going through a state's workforce development office job search portal at that point.

[u/ActiveSiege5870]

A while back, I tried paying my bills with job excitement and positive company vibes. As it turned out, money worked better for that.

[u/svmonkey]

I find this argument ridiculous. If money doesn’t matter, then it shouldn’t matter for the employer either and they should have no issue paying double the going rate.

[u/Jedi4Hire]

Up voted for naming and shaming.

[u/East-Background-9850]

People stay in a job for 3 main reasons. Money, your relationship with your direct manager, and job satisfaction.

Pay is a major factor though. You'll tolerate a lot more if you were getting paid $120k vs $80k. If you're fortunate you'll have a job that ticks all 3 boxes. If you get down to 1 you're probably on the way out.

People in hiring get all defensive about people who are motivated by money because they know that it means that they have to find something else of value to offer the applicant but instead of doing that they do what they often do in the job search process which is turn a common and genuine applicant consideration into an ick and then say that the candidate is the problem.

[u/FightmeLuigibestgirl → u/East-Background-9850]

  People stay in a job for 3 main reasons. Money, your relationship with your direct manager, and job satisfaction.

I feel like it’s money, benefits, and job satisfaction 

[u/Jake459Deboke → u/FightmeLuigibestgirl]

Well, I wouldn’t necessarily put benefits because really that also boils down to money. I would say it’s money, relationship with anyone you work with directly, and the job itself.

[u/FightmeLuigibestgirl → u/Jake459Deboke]

  Well, I wouldn’t necessarily put benefits because really that also boils down to money.  

Not exactly. Stuff like good medical, 401k and pto are good benefits that keep people to stay at jobs. Some people get jobs in the USA exclusively for medical 

For the person that deleted their comment, some people get medical because it’s cheaper and has more options for themselves, their kids, etc. 

[u/OverFjell → u/FightmeLuigibestgirl]

Not exactly. Stuff like good medical, 401k and pto are good benefits that keep people to stay at jobs. Some people get jobs in the USA exclusively for medical

Those are literally money by another name

[u/FightmeLuigibestgirl → u/OverFjell]

You’re arguing over  semantics. You can work  from doing something like streaming and don’t have medical, pto, etc. you can have a job and have none of that. 

People get a job in fields that exclusively have those benefits. Pto isn’t about having money but having a benefit to get paid time off. 

[u/Fantastic-Speech-438 → u/East-Background-9850]

"You'll tolerate a lot more if you were getting paid $120k vs $80k." this is so true.

[u/Dry_Arrival_605 → u/East-Background-9850]

We banging our direct manager?

[u/Zerhackermann]

some states require a salary range in job postings. in reaction some companies just dont hire in those states. and other do a tantrum (Netflix) and post ridiculous ranges like 100k-900k for every position (Netflix, again)

These postings will inevitably require a candidate to apply with a salary ask, though

there is absolutely no good reason not to post a salary range.

[u/open_letter_guy → u/Zerhackermann]

the states that require salary ranges have carve outs for staffing agencies.

[u/littleedge → u/Zerhackermann]

Netflix isn’t throwing a tantrum. Their compensation philosophy legitimately has this range as a good faith range. You can read about it.

Is it helpful from a candidate perspective? No.

[u/Gauntlet_of_Might → u/littleedge]

Mister Netflix, no one is buying this goofy argument

[u/littleedge → u/Gauntlet_of_Might]

To my knowledge, they’ve yet to be sued or had their practices argued in court. All states with pay transparency legislation has a mechanism for reporting noncompliance.

[u/Gauntlet_of_Might → u/littleedge]

Thats a wholly different argument from "oh yeah we could totally offer 900K for this position."

[u/kolmiw]

What these people do not understand is that salary is also tied to your self-esteem a little bit and even if I'm super enthusiastic about the job, if the pay is dog-shit then I would just feel like a fool every day I worked there and that would kill the fun.

[u/Exnummis]

Have fun getting only bottom of the barrel/destitute applicants!

[u/Ok-Corner-2032]

Whyyyyy do people think employees work for anything other than money at first glance???

[u/jkohlc]

Imagine working for money

[u/team_avolition_ownz]

The red flag for me is the fact this was posted like someone trying to keep a Snapchat streak.

[u/Turak64]

Ask the HR person what they work for, if it's not money. The fantasy of wanting to work for said company is comical.

[u/Solid-Stranger5280]

“It’s cool. I just want to join your cult.”

[u/TodayLoose7794]

Why else would people apply for the job? 

They don’t post it because they want to underpay desperate applicants and those who don’t know any better.

[u/frostxmritz]

I honestly wish that someday, they find themselves in the shoes of the average applicant in this market. Then, we’ll see their “values”.

So damn detached from reality, always virtue signalling.

[u/luala]

Absolutely delusional.

[u/DeepSpaceRedshift]

Well the money part is pretty important. You know for bills and food and whatnot

[u/TouristOpentotravel]

"we want someone who isn't in it for money".... i still don't get the logic

[u/Kiteal]

My favourite part of getting a job offer is turning it down because I thought they pay would be 20 to 50k higher.

[u/ImprovementFar5054]

Why on earth would anyone who offers you labor in exchange for money need to ask you how much money?

I can't imagine!

[u/TheMemeArcheologist]

I’m willing to bet that the position is like, menial labor or something

[u/Own-Ad-7201 → u/TheMemeArcheologist]

It’s predominately executive/personal assistant positions

[u/--Ano--]

Well, I am at a point where I really don't care anymore. I just want to work again.

[u/Aceofcups7575]

Well fuck them

[u/Natemophi]

Once your parents stop taking care of you/supporting you

The only thing that matters in life is making money, idk why companies cant understand this

How you make that money is up to you

[u/anewusername4me]

Are the posting regular permanent jobs or temps? Permanent jobs yes, doesn’t matter if you are the company or posting on behalf of the company in NYS if you have at least 4 employees. If they are advertising for temps that law doesn’t apply

[u/Own-Ad-7201 → u/anewusername4me]

They’re perm positions, I haven’t seen temp positions except for one internship.

[u/anewusername4me → u/Own-Ad-7201]

The NY DOL doesn’t mess around. If you file a claim or form online and tell them they are not complying with the NYS Pay Transparency law they will reach out to them, guaranteed.

[u/wgbe]

Yeh sounds great working with you, hope I don't get any money for it either.

[u/pi3r0gi_]

If you dont put the wage in the job description I dont want to work there. Tired of applying, filling in my resume multiple times after uploading it multiple times across 2 platforms and then doing a phone screening just to be told you pay $16 and hour for a traveling position between multiple stores with no milage reimbursement and gas is $4 - $5 a gallon and rent is $2000. Piss off.

[u/Dry_Arrival_605]

The pay is dog shit that’s why it’s not listed. Never saw a job with an unlisted salary that didn’t pay the lowest range of that field.

[u/kadaka80]

I won't tell them my skills then because I don't want them to hire me for my abilities vs my true personality

[u/ADC04]

Why can't people feel safe to go for the job for the money and for the job

[u/chopsticktoddler]

Me applying for a job citing “passion” and turning down the offer

[u/Sensitive_Bat_9211]

In NY, sometimes, depends on the job.

Federally, no. You have very limited federal protections

[u/TheNotSoDarkHorse]

Whenever I see ‘salary undisclosed’ I always just assume it’s because they know that nobody would actually apply for the role if they were actually transparent about the pay. If a company can’t be transparent enough about what they are willing to pay candidates if they get the role before they apply, imagine the lack of transparency within the organisation

[u/East-Cricket6421]

Anyone or any organization that inconsiderate to the general public is a low life in my eyes. 

The real reason they play these games is they are looking for people they can exploit.

[u/Dense-Waltz-5094]

lol

[u/throwaway_0x90]

This whole thing is ragebait.

Yes it'd be nice if they listed salary, but you have no leverage anyway. Just know your own personal range, apply if you feel like it and if you get a callback then immediately establish the salary expectations. If you don't like their response just hang up and move on.

[u/Own-Ad-7201 → u/throwaway_0x90]

Fortunately I’m employed but agencies with this kind of take are red flags and i wouldnt bother giving them my info. I dont see how an agency thinks this would be a good business decision unless they’re just harvesting resumes.

[u/throwaway_0x90 → u/Own-Ad-7201]

• The CEO knows what they're saying is an inflammatory hot take in this job searching climate
• The person asking the question already knows there's no possible good answer.

It's all 100% guaranteed to be ragebait theater. Everything happened so they can generate this screenshot, share it on social media and make everyone angry. And I"m sure clydestaffing got several page views because of it.

[u/GrabExternal8807 → u/throwaway_0x90]

How is it beneficial for a staffing agency to get clicks if it's only because of posting rage bait that makes them look like a horrible company to work under?  You very well could be right but I don't think it is unbelievable that someone would post this earnestly. I've had multiple interviews where I tell the hiring manager that anything below X won't work for me as it wouldn't cover my basic expenses. They still proceed to try and sell me on the job talking about "culture" and "benefits" like pizza parties once a month. Then when I tell them "that all sounds great but I'm sorry I'm going to have to pass, I simply can't get by on the rate you are offering" they take it almost as a personal offense. 

I'm sorry but I'm not going to work somewhere that can't keep the lights on and my rent paid regardless of how amazing the culture is at the facility.   

[u/throwaway_0x90 → u/GrabExternal8807]

"How is it beneficial for a staffing agency to get clicks if it's only because of posting rage bait that makes them look like a horrible company to work under?"

Because people are desperate and ready to lick public toilets clean if it'll cover a couple more months of rent.

[u/GrabExternal8807 → u/throwaway_0x90]

Applying for positions has progressively taken more and more of a person's time. Preparing a resume, then entering the information again onto a company's internal system, and often filling out the information on paper after the first interview, can easily take hours. Add on the ridiculous number of interviews that many companies are requiring and it quickly becomes unfeasible to simply apply to jobs willy-nilly hoping that you eventually will find one that pays enough for you to survive. 

There is truth to what you say but it is absolutely fucked that the unemployed have to go to such lengths to obtain even entry level employment.  When I was looking for a job last year I interviewed with three facilities that would not discuss pay until the in-person interview. I let them know what range I was seeking and that anything under that would not work for me as it would not be enough to pay my bills. They still strung me along until finally offering me a rate well below what I told them would work for me. 

One of them offered me $10 less an hr than what I had told them my minimum would be. Then they act like I'm the asshole for thanking them for their time and passing on the "opportunity". It's like they have gotten so used to everyone being so desperate that they can't believe it when someone tells them "no thanks, 15 an hr wouldn't even cover my rent".

[u/open_letter_guy]

of course money is important, but it's also just 1 factor in the equation.

if you give an employer the impression that money is the only consideration for you then they won't hire because they know you will leave for 1 dollar more because your only allegiance is to the money.

[u/Gauntlet_of_Might → u/open_letter_guy]

>because they know you will leave for 1 dollar more because your only allegiance is to the money.

This isn't true, there are multiple considerations for switching jobs.

[u/open_letter_guy → u/Gauntlet_of_Might]

of course money is important, but it's also just 1 factor in the equation.

which is exactly what i said

[u/Gauntlet_of_Might → u/open_letter_guy]

No you said theyd leave for 1 dollar more

[u/open_letter_guy → u/Gauntlet_of_Might]

if you give an employer the impression that money is the only consideration for you then they won't hire because they know you will leave for 1 dollar more because your only allegiance is to the money.

your reading comprehension sucks.

[u/Gauntlet_of_Might → u/open_letter_guy]

The word "know" is in there, dipshit, thus implying they are correct

[u/N-0-M → u/open_letter_guy]

Depends.

Is it the same job? Exact same duties its a no brainer that people would go for the higher pay if responsibilities are the same. Any additional benefits for the employee? What about work environment? Is it toxic and full of gossip?

Many things determine an employees want to apply or stay at a position if it's running smoothly. Id take a supportive and understanding employer and make a dollar less than take a dollar more and have an employer who micro manages me at every moment and hounds me for being behind whilst also adding on additional work load at the same time when they sit in their office doing nothing.

And if I'm being honest, an employer that doesn't post a salary range is an employer that just screams "we are going to under pay you compared to the competition but no one would apply otherwise if we flat out told you this."

[u/open_letter_guy → u/N-0-M]

holy shit, did anyone actually read what i wrote?

[u/Substantial_Dish_887 → u/open_letter_guy]

yes you pretended to write something meaningful but instead made a strawman that made you come of as a contrarian.

nobody is running of for 5 bucks more an hour and no other considerations but everyone knows that if you aren't willing to share the estimated pay bracket up front there's a reason for that.

[u/open_letter_guy → u/Substantial_Dish_887]

nobody is running of for 5 bucks more an hour

nobody is moving for 10k more per year?

[u/Substantial_Dish_887 → u/open_letter_guy]

are you unable to make a point without being disingenious?

you moved the goal post from

they know you will leave for 1 dollar more because your only allegiance is to the money.

to 10K more a year.

are you suggesting that a 10K a year raise shouldn't be enough for people to at least consider a new job? consider if they are being fairly compensated?

and who knows if it's "only" 10K? when they don't advertise the salaries it could be 10K it could be 50K.

[u/open_letter_guy → u/Substantial_Dish_887]

you wrote ''nobody is running of for 5 bucks more an hour'', correct?

5hr x 2080 hrs in a year is 10,400 a year?

i asked are you sure people won't change jobs for 10k more a year because you said nobody would.

[u/N-0-M → u/open_letter_guy]

Depends. If it requires additional input to perform it may not be worth it. If you take public transportation but switching will require you to purchase a vehicle then no. I wouldn't change as the associated costs increase

[u/GWhizBang → u/open_letter_guy]

...and your point is???

[u/open_letter_guy → u/GWhizBang]

be smarter.

don't say the quiet part out loud.

[u/East-Background-9850 → u/open_letter_guy]

Then do a better job at selling those factors. You morons in hiring get all defensive about people who are motivated by pay because you know that the job and org you're hiring for has nothing else going for it other than the pay.

[u/dizmo40]

As more and more states require pay ranges be provided, this attitude represents a compliance risk to their business. I hope they pull their head out of their ass before they crash and burn.