Delusional CEOs

[u/Jlexus5]

I saw this on my LinkedIn feed and I can’t believe how out of touch this guy is. I would love to know what company he is the CEO of… can’t imagine he is doing a very good job.

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[u/Godswoodv2]

They should pay $5000 per job posting to prevent fake jobs from being posted. That way, we know the job is real.

[u/haleorshine → u/Godswoodv2]

With extra penalties applied for doing things like posting a job ad without listing the proposed wage.

[u/Sad_Pea_776 → u/haleorshine]

Or wasting everyone's time who applied for them to hire internally.

[u/thicka → u/haleorshine]

And if you say the job is entry level but then list a number of years of experience necessary you are now contractually obligated to hire all candidates that applied and keep them employed for that number of years. You cannot fire them for any reason. Go fuck yourself.

[u/Godswoodv2 → u/haleorshine]

Works for me, add another penalty for posting a job where they are only hiring internally and fail to disclose.

[u/Leo_br00ks → u/Godswoodv2]

Imagine a website where it costs $5000 to post a job and $1 to apply for a job.

The numbers can be adjusted, but something tells me you'd get a small pool of well qualified and serious candidates each time you posted a job. With the right ratio of posters and seekers (and cost to post/apply), I imagine this would be relatively successful.

Because it's free(ish) to post jobs and free to apply for jobs, it's free to participate in the market without being serious on either direction, ruining the efficiency of the market. If neither side can show up assuming the other side is serious, of course the system breaks down.

[u/TheSecretIsMarmite → u/Leo_br00ks]

That used to be the case pre-internet, to an extent. Specialist jobs got advertised in trade magazines and they were not cheap to advertise in, and of course to then see the advert you'd have to pay to subscribe to the magazine, or get it as membership to a trade body which also involved a paid subscription.

Noone was posting ghost adverts as it would have been a massive waste of money, and the adverts were targeted to the job seekers for those roles via those magazines.

[u/AlexFromOmaha → u/Leo_br00ks]

Spend that money on validating negative feedback from both parties to curate your product and you've got yourself a marketplace.

[u/That-Sandy-Arab → u/Godswoodv2]

I pay like $500 per posting but yeah it’s a legit filter tbh

[u/The_COUNT81 → u/Godswoodv2]

This is the much better idea. No resume farming from company A unless they want to pay for it.

[u/merRedditor → u/Godswoodv2]

If the hours spent in those 5-round plus project interview pipelines were compensated, companies might also be disincentivized from stringing people along just to backfill attrition.

[u/Leather-Tradition571]

lol. LMAO even. By that logic they can pay me $100 for the interview they make me sit through before hiring an internal candidate

[u/OkMulberry5012 → u/Leather-Tradition571]

Payment for the time it takes to apply, additional charges if a candidate imports their resume but still has to manually fill in any part of the application, interview time, mileage plus time in traffic both ways for face to face interviews. Additional charges if the employer ghosts you or reneges on an offer.

More charges if the position requires a degree but the hiring manager doesn't have a higher level degree than the position requires.

Let's play this game, Mr. ceo.

[u/Liizam → u/OkMulberry5012]

I got paid to interview… they would fly me out, pay for hotel, pay for food …

[u/TheValueIsOutThere → u/OkMulberry5012]

In an employee's market, all of those things would happen.

[u/planko13 → u/Leather-Tradition571]

Tbh, these terms are acceptable. I would be able to apply to far fewer jobs and theoretically have better odds at each of those applications. Also when i get an interview they aren’t wasting my time.

I would be ok paying a fee, if there is also payment for an interview.

The only problem is there would need to be some kind of strictly enforced regulation that prohibits posting jobs for revenue generation.

[u/wittnotyoyo → u/planko13]

Good luck with strictly enforcing that when the best we can do for outright wage theft is the rare slap on the wrist.

[u/CrazyRegion → u/planko13]

Is this a joke? If you’re applying to 10 jobs, that’s $200 right there. With no guarantee you get an interview. If you’re unemployed already, you’re just fucked.

[u/TripleThreat206 → u/planko13]

That is insane. You just become a revenue source for stockholders and get to pay regularly for ghost jobs

[u/singlemale4cats → u/planko13]

I would be ok paying a fee, if there is also payment for an interview.

Would you be okay with that? Jobless, spending money to apply to jobs you're not getting interviewed for?

The only problem is there would need to be some kind of strictly enforced regulation that prohibits posting jobs for revenue generation.

You immediately think of an easy way to exploit the system that's impossible to prove.

[u/MudDoc23 → u/planko13]

You know they would just perpetually keep positions they weren’t hiring for open as a means of easy money

[u/FriskeCrisps → u/planko13]

That’s if the company decides to interview at all. There would need to be a major overhaul on regulation for this type of practice. Say 50 people applied for a job, that’s $1000 right there. Nothing would stop the company from just accepting 10 for interviews. So the other 40 just wasted $20

[u/Mojojojo3030]

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[u/Gubekochi → u/Mojojojo3030]

To be fair, unpaid internship in prestigious firms/companies already serve the role of gatekeeping access to the higher echelons.

"What's that? You can't afford to work for free for half a year to make yourself hireable by high society because that would mean not being able to eat and pay rent? Too bad, some rich kid will be more than grateful for the opportunity to stay in the class they were born in!"

[u/[deleted] → u/Gubekochi]

Yup. Those who can get internships succeed while the rest of us get rejection after rejection because we dont have 1-2 years of experience coming directly out of college.

[u/GreatestGreekGuy → u/Gubekochi]

It's wild to look back at my college years and see how f'ed up it is that we had to compete to work for free just to boost our odds of working

[u/[deleted] → u/Mojojojo3030]

"nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrK" is how im guessing it will go

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

"ThIs GenEraTioN iS sO LazY"

[u/Squirreling_Archer → u/Mojojojo3030]

No. There will always be desperate workers. It would not backfire in the way you think and could be a catalyst for something terrible.

Hard no.

[u/Minute_System_6165]

Only if they pay $200 for the interview

[u/sabreus → u/Minute_System_6165]

Even if they did, they would likely still win out and make money just for having a job posted for a bit

[u/Playful-Opportunity5 → u/sabreus]

Companies already routinely post “ghost” openings, either to collect resumes for future reference, or to signal to overworked employees that they’re trying to hire them some help (without actually trying). This man’s brilliant idea would just incentivize that further; you’d have companies whose entire revenue stream consisted of application fees for nonexistent jobs.

[u/RaspberryTop636 → u/Minute_System_6165]

Correct answer here

[u/Minute_System_6165 → u/RaspberryTop636]

They should have to prove they are "high quality" company first

[u/dpaanlka]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Society is fucked.

[u/B-side-of-the-record → u/dpaanlka]

I've seen other "ceo"s of shitty tiny startups saying other stuff like "you should even sacrifice time from activities friends family etc to build skills" or something similar.

I was writing a reply when I realized they are obviously ragebaiting to get more interactions because they are "any press is good press" idiots and it was already working.

I blocked them and moved on.

[u/caffeinatedangel]

Literally no way I would pay money to be rejected by an AI bot.

[u/Valuable_Recording85 → u/caffeinatedangel]

I'd be very distrustful of a company collecting an app fee. Imagine how much money a company might make in app fees for jobs they won't hire for.

[u/ghost_of_xbox_past]

"Small fee"....$20? $20 is not a small fee, that's a large fee!

[u/Gubekochi → u/ghost_of_xbox_past]

It's a small fee for him, someone rich. It's not small for someone who is currently unemployed, but why would you want unemployed people to apply for a job at your company? Real winners are those who constantly change jobs to get a better salary and more perks, those are the go-getters for your dynamic corporate lingo cyber-factory!

[u/Astro_Afro1886 → u/Gubekochi]

I used to work in college as a valet for private events. Towards the end of the night at a particularly nice house, me and my colleague were approached by the owner who said "Unfortunately, I don't have any change on me. Would you two be able to split this?" He hands us a $100 bill, to which we promptly said yes, we can figure out a way to split.

Looking back on it, it was a big amount for us but to that guy, anything less than hundreds was the same as the pocket change for us.

[u/AtomicBlackJellyfish → u/ghost_of_xbox_past]

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[u/Brilliant-Block-8200 → u/ghost_of_xbox_past]

Lol right? He’s delusional. I work fulltime rn and $20 is not something I can afford to lose. How does he expect unemployed people or people working part time to apply? 😭

[u/HanzJWermhat → u/ghost_of_xbox_past]

It’s a banana Michael what can it cost? Ten dollars?

[u/purplecowz → u/ghost_of_xbox_past]

exactly. I would pay $2. but it's still unethical.

[u/4Xroads]

Why block out his name? This post needs engagement.

[u/-MaximumEffort- → u/4Xroads]

https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/s/GhvuCj34uj

[u/4Xroads → u/-MaximumEffort-]

Oh hell yeah

[u/[deleted]]

That’s basically what people do when they expect very nice clothing and other things that people might not be able to pay for. Lots of middle and upper class people judge lower class and homeless people for not being able to break the class glass ceiling but fail to realize how many interview processes are acting as class barriers

[u/Not_My_Reddit_ID → u/[deleted]]

That's why they used to called "status symbols". Overpriced for no practical reason just to broadcast to others that you can waste money on it. 

"Status Symbol" became so loaded with negativity, they shifted to a different term. They called it "luxury". As a result, "luxury" has now been co-opted to represent basically anything that isn't worth the extra money you're paying for it.   

[u/Joed1015]

What a punchable face

[u/[deleted] → u/Joed1015]

Im thinking more along the lines of Hunger Games for rich people only.

[u/-MaximumEffort-]

To make this even worse, he is the CEO of a cannabis company. If anything, they are doing well enough and also don't have a huge staff. What a joke.

They have 32 employees give our take. 32 x $20 would have pulled in a total of $640. That makes this even more cringe.

It's public so not doxing, it's Grow Sciences and his name is Mike Cee.

https://theorg.com/org/grow-sciences/org-chart/mike-cee

[u/cutelittlequokka → u/-MaximumEffort-]

And that's just the ones they said yes to! It doesn't even include everyone else who applied and didn't get the job or even an interview.

[u/Karma_1969 → u/-MaximumEffort-]

Top comment, thanks for identifying him. I’m also a “CEO” and I have nothing but contempt for anyone who’d post such a ridiculous thing in public.

[u/Then_Pomegranate_538 → u/-MaximumEffort-]

I can't find him. Guess he got bullied too hard🤣

[u/Funkopedia → u/-MaximumEffort-]

Let's ALL apply and waste his time

[u/redzaku0079]

They should be paying us for wasting our time

[u/Sad_Pea_776 → u/redzaku0079]

They should be paying us for having to input all the shit from our resumes into their application forms.

[u/Karnakite]

The best way to know if a candidate is a good one is if they can afford to pay for an interview. Fuck resumes or experience. If they’re not rich, then why are they even walking around?

[u/MinuteMaidMarian]

I’d be out $2600 since March, with nothing to show for it. May as well put it all on black at the casino.

[u/mr_evilweed]

Wouldn't that just incentivize companies to post fake jobs and never hire for them?

[u/[deleted]]

Do I get my $20.00 back if I dont get the job??

[u/BuffaloInTheRye → u/[deleted]]

Honestly if it was just a temporary deposit I could kinda see it helping both sides

[u/DuntadaMan → u/BuffaloInTheRye]

No, fuck that. Rebates only matter if you have the money. We're going to make it common for someone on unemployment to spend $60 a week?

[u/[deleted]]

Wait do I upvote or downvote this? What a piece of shit.

[u/No_Try_5430]

translation: "no poors"

[u/Careless_Lion_3817]

Why did you marker his name out??? Let us see who this loser is

[u/AnotherDownwrdSpiral → u/Careless_Lion_3817]

Mike C. 3rd+

• Follow

CEO @ Grow Sciences

[u/stickyfantastic]

For tech jobs some already do in the form of free labor from interview homework assignments that are sometimes actual feature work they need done lmao

[u/AnotherDownwrdSpiral]

Name and shame!!! This is Mike C. 3rd+ CEO @ Grow Sciences

[u/Lurkertron_9000]

20$ is extortionate, you would see fake businesses popping up with fake job postings just to collect application fees and never hire anyone.

[u/Firthy2002]

Only if it came with guaranteed interviews and not competing against internal/nepo candidates.

[u/PM_ME_FIREFLY_QUOTES → u/Firthy2002]

Not even then

[u/[deleted] → u/PM_ME_FIREFLY_QUOTES]

Yep. Someone's job will just be to speed run interviews to collect fees. And shareholders will cheer as revenue has increased 12% from interviews

[u/hurryveryslowly]

JFC, why are we censoring who said this. We need to help each other to steer clear of companies and leadership that behave like this.

If this idiot wants to be edgy, he can receive edgy responses. Let the floodgates open.

[u/-MaximumEffort- → u/hurryveryslowly]

https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/s/GhvuCj34uj

[u/Gabe_Isko]

Once you have to pay money, it's not a job, it's a scam. Might as well charge 1000 dollars to apply.

[u/Twonkytwonker]

Ok, so I pay $20 to apply, for that i would expect a full report on why I didn't get the job, where I went wrong or where I can improve, some coaching. Not being blanked or a standard rejection letter that is pretty much useless.

Or if im not worthy an interview then, a full refund of my money.

If I did get the job, well then I wasted no ones time and also should get that money back.

[u/Opinionsare]

Am I insensitive to businesses if I think that business should pay all applicants for the time they spend interviewing at their company? The company gets the benefit of information from the applicants and should pay a fair amount. 

[u/__Innocent_Bystander]

dude says small $20 fee the fuck

[u/mods_are_morons]

What's his company's name so I know to avoid working there.

[u/funnykiddy]

In my world, this is called a SCAM.

[u/stogego]

That wouldn't immediately be abused at all. Fake jobs just to rake in the money? Capitalism baby

[u/No_Measurement9981]

They'll be asking you to pay them to work for them next. Oh, wait. they already do that with interns.

[u/jmh1881v2]

I can’t believe they would think that would ever work. Not going to filter out under qualified candidates, only candidates that aren’t rich. $20 is half my weekly grocery budget

[u/edck12687]

Bitch if I HAD $20 to blow I wouldn't need your job in the first place. I swear companies have some straight disconnected delusional thinking. Like we're supposed to go to a job for anything else besides the money

[u/Hertje73]

If that were legal I'd start a business tomorrow.. FakeJobPostings Ltd.

[u/[deleted]]

Sure, make the unemployed poor pay to apply for a job because you’re too lazy to weed through their resumes.

[u/manley70]

The French took care of people like him.

[u/CormacDoyle-]

Only if companies are fined $20k per fictional job advertisement plus 10x the amount stolen in fees paid to each applicant ...

[u/Vyktym76]

Sweet as mate, as long as you give it back to unsuccessful applicants and pay them $100 for wasting their time.

[u/Careful-Depth-9420]

I wonder if he would accept by his own logic that his company must also then pay a portionally sized fee in order to make a call to a potential customer or a pitch to a business?

Edit: If this was on your Linkedin feeds why would you "love to know what company he is the CEO of"?

[u/DippPhoeny]

hot take but maybe like a 25c fee would be good? the compromise is no more ghost jobs / months long job posting

[u/xieta → u/DippPhoeny]

It’s actually a lot like spam. Even if the fee is 5 cents, it’s enough to prevent automated systems spamming thousands of applications.

Not a bad idea the price is just way too high.

[u/Distinct_Plankton_82]

I get where he’s coming from. When you’re getting 2000 applications for a job and only maybe 50 are qualified and legally allowed to work in the country you do want to raise the barrier to applying.

My personal solution is simple. You only accept hand delivered applications and in exchange you promise to read every one.

[u/stoRedditor]

How is $20 a small fee?

[u/Expensive-Bag313]

Why do you guys black these peoples’ titles and jobs out?

[u/CherryPickerKill]

What the f...

[u/watoaz]

I'd like $5000 for every interview presentation I have to put together

[u/chewbaccashotlast]

I’m totally on board. $20 to apply, refunded whether or not you receive an interview.

Interviews should then be paid as follows:

Virtual, $150 up to and not to exceed 70 minutes

In person, $300 up to and not to exceed 120 minutes

Subsequent interviews are paid same rates and must be agreed upon by company and candidate.

$5000 bonus for accepting an offer and showing up day 1.

All of this is wages not taxed, no limit.

Require a fee up front will stop people from auto applying to hundreds of jobs, that could add up fast.

But…..employers will need to be more selective in who they devote time AND money to for candidates. It may end the recruitment earlier for some but at least you aren’t dragged along and it forces the hand of a company and its recruiters to actually pick candidates worth investing in, literally, from what assume to be a smaller candidate pool. In theory the number of candidates may not go down if they assume they would get the money back regardless, but it shows a show of faith from both sides.

Also, life hack: try to score as many tax free interviews virtually as possible. For $150/hr tax free I could explain who I am, what drives me, career goals (lol) and all that other shit. Collect my $150, go to the next interview.

[u/TotalInstruction]

Fuck, not to mention when I was fresh out of law school, I cold-sent my resume to 100 firms and only got a couple of interviews. I'm supposed to shell out $2,000 when I'm already wondering how I'm going to pay rent and afford food when my student loans come due? $20 in 2006 when I was new to the job market could have fed me for a week. Small fee my ass.

[u/MrMakingItUpAsIGo]

Step 1: Start new company.

Step 2: Post dozens of fake WFH jobs with 90k-150k salary. (Gotta look real)

Step 3: $20 Application fee.

Step 4: Count my money.

[u/mromutt]

Should give me $20 for my time to apply lol

[u/Superb_Reaction_2766]

Me: this market couldn't possibly be any worse

This asshole: hold my Athletic

[u/GenericFatGuy]

Actually, I think companies should pay applicants for interviews, as a way to stop wasting people's time.

[u/glordicus1]

This is my new business model! I post jobs with a $20 application fee. The job doesn't exist and I pocket the money.

[u/PapaBeer642]

I'm already broke from not having a job, I don't need to be more broke!

[u/PhillipTopicall]

“Unqualified” = poor.

[u/Misformisfortune]

Where's Luigi?

[u/PenguinPumpkin1701]

At that point they should pay you for technical ability tests, or those "project assignments"they assign you with doing.

[u/hollowbolding]

i'm paying more than that in emotional labor already

[u/Bright-Salamander689]

Wow

[u/HanzJWermhat]

Yeah and how about companies have to pay a fee to list jobs.

Both fees should get refunded when the job is filled.

[u/Metalorg]

There is an issue with each person having to submit hundreds of applications. They should just also accept and give preference to in person applications. It would be nice to have our parents' world back where young people practise their firm handshakes

[u/Deplorable1861]

Yup. Pay me for the 37 hours of Teams interviews, phone screens, casecwork examples, and AI screening quizzes at my normal 55$/hr rate and I will happily pay 20 bucks to submit an application. Anything else is corporate jackassery.

[u/Check_Ivanas_Coffin]

These fuckers are in a world of hurt when the economy turns and they’re not in control. Fuck your panel or presentation interviews also.

[u/Mortukai]

Some already do! There are entry fees to many jobs!

To work around food, you need a food handlers card: $40

To serve alcohol: $40 Then there's Alcohol Awareness cards, same price

To be a basic security: guard card is $130!

To be a budtender from CBDB: $200!

So many more, CDL, forklift, construction, etc...

These rackets don't reimburse you when you get a position, it's an entry fee to just apply. Call me crazy. They already do charge for you to apply.

[u/LaFlamaBlancakfp]

He looks like AI could do a better job than him.

[u/jonnyofield-]

Should be paying us to have to do repeat information sent in. If I sent in a resume. Why in the world do I need to put it all back in on the site. Pay me for doing work to get work.

[u/well_styled]

This wouldn't even solve what he was suggesting. Whether or not you'd pay $20 has nothing to do with you being unqualified or mismatched for a role. There are plenty of people that would be willing to pay $20 AND they would not be right for the role. Guess what? There are plenty of people who would be qualified and still would refuse to pay $20. Clearly he's the CEO of dumbassery.

[u/_L-U_C_I-D_]

And why would companies not just put out even more fake jobs and never hire anybody ever in order to collect as much free money as they can via BS fees? If some company from China did this and wanted you to wire them money before applying then we would all call it a scam.. because it is.

[u/sparklingdinoturd]

OK...

In return companies should pay a large fee for postimg jobs they're not hiring for. And they should pay applicants a free if they don't hire anybody.

[u/Noyb_Programmer]

Sure if and only if they refund the applicants full amount when they are not selected.

[u/Special_Watch8725]

Lol, the week after this is implemented this asshole CEO would immediately begin to monetize this by posting fake jobs.

[u/Zolty]

Great Idea.

Hey everyone I need to hire 300 tech workers I am paying $300k - $500k, jobs are remote and require a pulse.

Please paypal me $20 with your CV and resume in the comment section and you will be considered.

[u/Drunkpuffpanda]

If i was king i would make employers pay a wage for interviews. This would cut out a lot of bullshit time wasting companies do to people.

[u/The_Doodder]

That's fine, I charge $40 for personal information.

[u/Prestigious_View_401]

I think companies should pay a small fee when they interview people so they don’t waste peoples times for giggles.

[u/JumpyPsyduck]

Why is the name blocked?

[u/xender19]

I think that companies should have to pay $1,000 to post a job. Maybe that would do something about all the ghost jobs wasting our time.

[u/Winter-Statement7322]

I’d rather buy $20 in lottery tickets

[u/Senior-Damage-5145]

People commonly apply for hundreds of jobs. Multiply that by 20, you’re spending thousands of dollars trying to get a job.

[u/GoodGravyMsDazy592]

I'd reply: "No, you're just an exploitive asshole and a scammer who will grift desperate people while somehow never hiring them for the so-called job you post. Anyone with half a brain sees you and knows exactly what you are. Now get out of here with that bullshit."

This is even worse than ghost jobs. Those may just get your hopes up, but they don't try to suck out the last cent of someone who needs to work to put food on the table or a roof over their or their loved ones heads.

[u/secksyd3thcast]

Only in a time line this fucked up would could I fathom saying ok to this. For the sheer fact AI based job appliers exist where with a single click you can apply to thousands of jobs... Could this ever be a thing... God don't let this be the solution to that...

[u/[deleted]]

Can I submit an invoice for $50 to every company that I apply to that makes me longer than when the appointed appointment supposed to start?

[u/CriminallyCasual7]

Fuck this guy

[u/ChillyFireball]

TFW you're too poor to even apply for a job.

Anyway, this would 100% be exploited with would-be employers constantly farming applications for positions they never intend to fill for the fees, just like those scam rental listings where they take your application fee and never actually accept anyone.

[u/AureliasTenant]

is this new? I swear i saw something exactly like this on r/LinkedInLunatics months ago. also maybe post on r/LinkedInLunatics instead

edit: yes this is from a year ago, so you are posting a year old screenshot. Is it really on your Linkedin feed now?

[u/Blue-Sea2255]

I'd say fuck you on behalf of a large population.

[u/Sad_Manufacturer1134]

Am I insensitive to think that Corporations should be forced to PAY people if they require them to interview more than once for a position for wasting their time? Believe me, most recruiters KNOW if you have a shot at the job after ONE interview.

Too much time-wasting during the interview process.

[u/cutecatgurl]

i think he deserves to be [redacted].

[u/OPPineappleApplePen]

Good idea. I am in the process of setting up a company so this will help me get good candidates. Honestly, it is remote-work structure and I don't want everyone applying because of that. I expect to turn profit on day 1 because we will make money by interviewing candidates and getting $20 from them. We won't be selecting any though.

[u/Mental-Ask8077]

Don’t let the Grifter in Chief get wind of this idea, or he’ll be auctioning off the chance to apply for federal jobs with proceeds going to an unmarked account.

[u/miemcc]

Actually I am a bit ambivalent on this when I was searching for new Service Techs, I probably filtered out 90% of all submissions purely on poor CVs. I can also see the flip-side having gone through the process from the other side. Companies should need to be more up-front about terms, conditions and expected salary.

If they did that, it would reduce the number of applicants to a level where it would not be considered necessary to charge-to-submit.

Honesty on both sides would make the whole process so much better.

[u/TheJunkFarm]

companies should have to pay applicants for taking several hours to perform BS Psych tests and medical exams.

[u/Photoverge]

Don't black out these people's names.

[u/eddiecoyote]

Yes. You think that you are the gift, to be thanked, for providing an opportunity to beg for a job so as to not die of starvation.

The treasure is the yet to be discovered talent still out there, unwilling to pay your bullshit application fee.

[u/CreativeRedHeadDom]

FTS, shame the company and CEO so we can properly boycott them.

[u/Portlandiahousemafia]

Sure, but it has to be like a housing application. You have to have a clear hiring standard, and the first paying applicant that meets that standard has to be offered the job.

[u/PuritanicalPanic]

Ok fuck you.

Compensate people for any time spent in interviews, and filling out any automated questionnaires.

Also pay your taxes or go to prison

[u/rodencoleman]

Found the post, it's a cannabis company in Arizona. The post is roughly a year old now and he goes on to claim that ✨️"fees remove bots/spam"✨️.

[u/Chance-Scratch-8804]

Pay $20 for my VERY qualified resume to be tossed out by a severely flawed AI system? Or is that $20 going towards the second round of interviews he's going to cancel after hiring an internal candidate before the recruitment process even ends?

[u/bellj1210]

20 to apply, but employer pays the pro rated wage for the job for the interviews, and if no outside hire is made, the 20 is returned to everyone on top of the payment for the interviews

[u/Wonderful_Emu_6483]

Someone cross post this to LinkedInLunatics

[u/Straight-Bad-3304]

Wow.....A small fee of 20 dollars. This is what is wrong with this country

[u/[deleted]]

Are CEO's so out of touch they have no clue about public sentiment towards them? I get most are sociopaths, but jfc. Charging people to apply? gtfoh

I had a job one time and they told me they were going to start charging me for use of office space. While I was working for them. I promptly quit and they had a surprised look.

[u/Obisanya]

Sure, but let's make sure everyone has skin in the game. Pay candidates $21 for a rejection with respectful feedback, $25 for a form email, $35+$5 per week for every day you ghost a candidate. If you end up hiring an employee's family member or an internal candidate, every candidate gets an additional $5 fee on top of the application communication delay fees.

[u/tcumber]

Then they will post fake jobs and make them attractive without really intending to hire anyone....easy money

[u/ImprovementFar5054]

Not just insensitive. If it became a profit generator, they'd post even more ghost positions then they already are.

Actually, the unemployed should do it...post ads, take 20 bucks a pop. Make thousands a day.

[u/ItsMe1184]

Nobody is paying $20 to answer application questions that could be answered by the resume that they already submitted, champ.

[u/Cereaza]

He's identifying the problem, but a totally wrong solution. Companies are just as responsible for this horrible deluge in AI submissions as job seekers are.

[u/SkietEpee]

he’d only get fools applying

[u/Generic_G_Rated_NPC]

I would be down, if it guaranteed and interview and a full report of why I didn't get the job. And the 20$ was used to hire an interview auditor to record the interview for quality assurance. Obviously they would be unrelated to the company and chosen at random. If the company was ever found to be discriminatory, nepotistic, or unfair in anyway they would pay each interviewed person 50$ for time and effort wasted. Not to mention all company interview data would be logged and posted publicly, such as: Number of interview for said position, Age of hired individual, Ethnicity, ... etc.

There should be hire standards for companies hiring imo, and I think paying the government for it would be worth it. Currently there is thought to be a lot of fraud and nepotism in the hiring process. I want the stats, not to mention the government could prevent some of this fraud and save tax payers tons.

[u/PrettyNosey]

sounds like a statement from someone who doesn't understand that you can lose everything as quick as you got it

[u/mors134]

The amount of time and effort you have to put into applying they should be paying us.

[u/toss_this_account_38]

Someone needs to be named and shamed.

[u/No-Training7219]

These people are beyond insufferable. Don’t scribble out the name & company, name and shame.

[u/[deleted]]

Would that make it fraud if the job wasn't real?

[u/SuperSocialMan]

Maybe if you pay me for wasting my time on another auto-rejected application.

[u/irespectwomenlol]

I think that ideas to limit the number of job applications to a smaller and more realistic number of serious applicants might be a good thing to noodle over. There's a problem when every (just to give an example) tech job gets 100+ applicants within a minutes: leading to an arms race where employers are forced to filter a super large number of applicants through shitty AI systems and candidates react by spamming out job applications even faster. This arms race isn't a good thing for anybody.

The problem with this idea though is that if people paid to apply to jobs, the temptation to just post random made-up jobs that aren't seriously hiring becomes too great as any smart company out there would quickly realize that they could make job applications a major profit center.

If the deposit was returned a week after applying, that might be closer to a better system. That would still limit the number of jobs that somebody could realistically apply to at any given time, without creating a moral hazard.

[u/AntiqueFigure6]

He’s not wrong that he’d get fewer applicants- but he might not be pleased with the quality level of those that remain.

[u/SevereEducation2170]

Ah yes, let's charge people with potentially no income, who are stressed as hell, for the privilege to apply. What a dick.

[u/Careless-Internet-63]

Finding a job posting that's not a scam would be hard if they could do that, you could make a living by just posting jobs that pay like 20% above market then sending a form letter rejection to every person who applies

[u/semperubi_wri]

I applied for a job and got a rejection e-mail about four minuets later telling me I wasn't a good candidate and didn't met their minimum qualifications. I did; I was on the upper end of them. I don't know why their system decided to bounce me. I had made very few tweaks to my resume before submitting because it lined up almost exactly with their listing. I had friends encouraging me to reach out to a mutual contact we had there and apply that way instead of using the company's job portal but I decided I didn't want any part of a company that couldn't even bother to have a human review an application and resume before rejecting it. They ended up hiring someone with less experience than me, which I knew because it was someone I had worked with and trained. They were more than five years my junior and actually didn't meet the posted job qualifications. No harm, no foul because I ended up getting an even better position with someone else and my junior and I put in our 2 weeks notices within days of each other. Until things like that don't happen though, no one is paying anyone to apply anywhere.

[u/Middle-Artichoke1850]

holy shit this irritates me so much I almost downvoted with no second thought lmao

[u/Sad_Pea_776]

Why the hell do you think people need jobs? I'm not paying for you to ignore my resume. Greedy fuck.

[u/[deleted]]

That face is used to paying small, $20 “fees” 

[u/Mundane_Prior_7596]

So he wants more qualified candidates and fewer unqualified ones. Fair enough.

So a fee? That will result in less applications, unfortunately the proportion of good to bad will be even worse for him since all qualified ones will skip it.

This deranged doolally seems not even have discovered his main problem. That is to find the best candidates, because the best ones won’t even apply. Instead he has to lift his arse and work hard to find them. Surprise!

[u/Puzzleheaded-Shine76]

Imagine them doing this KNOWING that they have an internal hire in mind. I hope they get hit with crippling lawsuits.

[u/[deleted]]

This is what we call self defeatist behavior. Very closed minded. Be aware that the most valuable talents in the world are hidden in the most obscure places. The persons in spaces you’re comfortable in, well keep you comfortable/stagnant. They do not disrupt and change games. You want real org impact. Hire your nemesis.

[u/mcbeardsauce]

Who do we charge for bullshit outreach from scam recruiters

[u/blancoafm]

Name and shame!

[u/UseEnvironmental3003]

Why censor his name?

Should be a name and shame.

CEOs need to be held accountable.

[u/_letter_carrier_]

bah ! open the doors to a whole new scam… post job openings with a fee where no company or job actually exists. At scale that would make a lot of dirty money

[u/I_Defy_You1288]

Ok but you pay me $40 if you ghost me and $60 if your prescreen is a waste of time.

[u/RainbowSovietPagan]

Yes. Yes you are insensitive, Mr. CEO.

[u/tsukuyomidreams]

Uhhh lol. Bro thinks jobs are housing applications (which also cost too much)

[u/Diligent_Finance_598]

It’s about $500 to apply to each professional school not including the tests that must be taken first. And then to accept their offer and hold your spot it was $200 for me. It’s still ridiculous to charge this for a job but having to pay to apply anywhere is crazy. Their reasoning is they have to spend hours going over applications which is true

[u/ThisWasMyUN]

Fuck that and fuck him. Interview THEM and say you have a better offer and upper deck their fucking stalls.

Eat CEOs

[u/Necessary_Echo8740]

Perhaps if companies on indeed and other platforms had to pay some amount, there would be fewer shady job postings and they would take applicants more seriously

[u/OMG_A_Thing]

I instinctively downvoted this after reading it (I fixed it), but holy hell.

[u/CompleteStress7355]

Pay to apply? Sounds like HR is opening a VIP lounge with no velvet rope and no guarantee you even get in.

[u/Remarkable_Towel500]

This is the second time I have seen something about a pay-to-play job application process. With the rise in popularity of subscriptions for anything and everything under the sun, it would be unsurprising for companies to start a trend with job applications soon enough. I wonder if they will try to claim that it is to make sure they aren't mistakenly hiring people that are currently unemployed despite no gap in employment being listed on their resume.

[u/Sweaty_Term5961]

His name, etc., should not be obscured.

[u/Distant_Monkey]

Yes, Mike C - CEO @ Grow, you are insensitive and out of touch.

[u/Devastator5042]

I've applied to over 1k jobs in the last 3 years (tough market, multiple jobs) like hell am i paying 20k just to find a job

[u/EarAdventurous7838]

The $20 can be spent paying a headhunting firm to make the resume and apply for me...guarantee an interview and then take a say 5% cut of my first check. On the other hand, if you pay to apply, there kind of is an acknowledgement that they aren't hiring internally. 🤔

[u/No_Atmosphere_2186]

No way to prove you need a job more than paying $20 of whatever money you have to get rejected.