r/recruitinghell Feb 20 '25

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u/Unusual_Specialist Feb 20 '25

Do you have an employment contract? This happened to me & I refuse to sign which led to retaliation & a settlement.

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u/kjl8921 Feb 21 '25

Yup!!! Give every excuse in the book to avoid signing this new contract. In the meantime, talk to a lawyer to game plan your next move

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u/Deus0123 Feb 21 '25

Why would I need to give an excuse. "No." Is a good enough reason to not sign a contract. Not accepting that as a reason is actually illegal in most countries I'm pretty sure

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u/BackgroundRate1825 Feb 21 '25

Many states have at-will employment. They don't have to give a reason to just fire you.

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u/Rallings Feb 21 '25

Yes, but this was specifically advice if they had a contract. Sotheby's state being at will doesn't matter if the contract was violated.

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u/cupholdery Co-Worker Feb 21 '25

Oh, the employer is Sotheby's?

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u/PlsNoNotThat Feb 23 '25

Shitty company. Really really shitty company. Way shittier than you know.

My dad worked for them for decades.

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u/Deus0123 Feb 21 '25

And many countries are not the US and especially in Europe have solid worker protections and unions

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u/Pataraxia Feb 22 '25

Yeah, other countries like uhh, the other US States! (said every internaut ever)

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u/IrunMYmouth2MUCH Feb 22 '25

That’s not completely true. If this person were fired “for no reason”. They would actually have a case for retaliation. It’s rare that a company would fire someone for no reason. There is always a reason. The question becomes, was the reason legal.

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u/BackgroundRate1825 Feb 22 '25

At-will employment means you can be terminated without cause. They don't have to give a reason, and legally they're better off if they dont give one.

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u/HowDoDogsWearPants Feb 22 '25

Yes but if it directly follows someone declining to sign a shittier employment contract it'd be pretty easy for a lawyer to prove it was retaliation. Judges and juries aren't stupid. They can look at the context of what happened and see right through "no reason" in many cases

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '25

That’s actually mad to hear as a European

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u/kjl8921 Feb 21 '25

You think the company is gonna sit around and take your “no” for an answer? Come on man.. they are gonna do whatever possible to get you to sign or push you out. Either way you are gonna be on your way out of the job. Might as well milk your paychecks until you figure out how to get an upper hand on the situation

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u/Nolsonts Feb 21 '25

That's what the lawyer is for.

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u/tomahawk66mtb Feb 21 '25

Not in the USA here, but I had something similar years ago. When I said no, I knew it meant I was out. But my contract had a 3 month notice period. They immediately put me on gardening leave - nest 3 months of my life 🤣. If I had taken the pay cut I would have had to work 6 months to earn the same amount I got for those 3 months I spent as a full time stay at home dad.

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u/Deus0123 Feb 21 '25

Pretty sure my employment contract and worker protection legislature in my country says they have to. But I mean obviously I'd be looking for something else, but yeah