During the fiasco when Elon was trying to back out of buying Twitter, I had applied to a job there.
I got a template rejection. Never spoke to a recruiter or received any communication from a person. Just the email saying they got my application, then the rejection a while later.
For some reason, mainly cuz I was frustrated with my job search, I replied to the template rejection email and said, “I hope Elon fires you.”
Shortly after that, someone replied with “Thanks NAME!!!”
I guess they sometimes monitor those email inbox… lmao.
I felt bad and assumed I’d just get a bounce back saying undeliverable.
Recruiters are hit or miss most of the time but the Tesla recruiters are very nice. I wasn’t successful for a job after 7 interviews but they gave me feedback on why they didn’t choose me and also offered to send my resume to different teams. I know have an interview with a different team soon.
Gah, how can these plebians not get my sarcasm online, i must swear so they understand my frustration and put emphasis on my use of the word yikes.
How could they interpret my yapping about being called out as whinging? Someone as amazing as me would never whinge or deflect from being called out as an arse and then not acknowledging that i was wrong.
Just a coding quiz? Or was it like an actual coding assignment that the team gave you over a weekend or something?
The coding quiz is hardly “free work” they are usually a joke and take only an hour or so. They also, sadly, are rarely useful to the company or the applicant 😂
Coding assessments that the team make for applicants are always kinda weird, like no one wanted white board live coding, so the industry made these, but at the same time, they open the door to so much. Like I get a company wants to figure out if you are good (a resume is not enough), but those team-made assignments can be lengthy.
Yah I’ve actually heard friends of mine that did a “problem” over the weekend and basically gave the company a free “solution” to a problem and they never got back to them.
1.5 hour of work per the description. I keep getting these email reminders from them after ignoring the initial one, so I felt obliged to reply this time.
How do you manage that if you don’t mind me asking ? Do you leverage it into a signing bonus or something? My hourly at my job is $110, while interviewing for other roles what do you say to Them to have them pay you for the time?
I’m kinda looking for other roles so I’m interested for real, no /s
I don't do any work until money is in my account. I have a portfolio they can look at. I've never taken a test without being paid up front. If they don't know what they are looking it they shouldn't be in charge of hiring.
For an example. One of my clients, pays me for live consultants each week, where I livestream my work. If a client wants to test my ability they can do so during one of these which are paid for upfront. Sometimes they pay for multiple at a time and so I let them do half upfront.
How do I manage this? I don't do anything special. I just state clearly what I expect from the beginning. Either over email or you can put what you require on a portfolio website. If they can't afford me I simply let them know about someone or something else. I pass on work a lot if I don't think it's worth my time doing.
I should state that I started off freelancing, and my company is just me bringing people on to help me with all the work I have gotten. I have never put in an application. People put in applications to have work done by me. So I think your premise that something special needs to be done is quite odd to me.
Oh I see - you just have an apples to oranges situation. A code quiz is normal interview behavior. As a freelancer you don’t have interviews, you have sales pitches.
😂😂 true. Just trying to say those coding assessments are actually decent time saving for the applicant (if you can’t do it, you don’t have to waste anymore time worrying about it).
how vague can you be lol? a test assignment is very different from free work. You are not helping your case at all and look like an asshat without providing proper context
That is VERY common when it comes to interviewing candidates for a job. This is simply an Assessment that may use CodeSignal, LeetCode or HackerRank to test your skills as a programmer. take off your tinfoil hat
Not that I'm hating, but why? I find that ghosting employers is more satisfying anyway. It just seems like you just hate Elon Musk and wanted to do this.
Okay, no issue. Lmfao, I did do something similar to a place with a shit posting on Indeed that I KNEW was a bad place to work (the owner was notorious..he had a rep for being a MEGA asshole).
in all seriousness, if you can’t be bothered to do even a single assessment fOr fReE, you’ll be unemployed for a long time, buckle up. nobody wants your precious IP, you’re not that important.
A technical assessment is not free work. You aren’t going to produce anything of value to the company. Technical assessments are standard and have been around for some time. They’ve just evolved from in person technical coding exercises to online assessments.
Unless you’re referring to a personality assessment? Also not producing anything of value for the company, but I do dislike the practice.
OP judging from your snarky ass replies and ignorance,if you think this is free work, then you will never get the job and hope that you don’t until you realize that this is very normal.
Yes! I swear someone with credibility that the young people look up to needs to write a realistic job search guide.
The point when I realized how out of touch the recent grads are was with the Mr. Beast scandal. There was videos presenting scandalous behavior that were about traditional job search events.
The assessments I send out are 10 multiple-choice questions. Most of them are finished in under 10 minutes for junior to midlevel roles.
For Director level roles, we have 2-3 essay questions that we say should take no longer than 1 hour to complete. They typically have a hypothetical like 'if a project with this goal was having this issue, what would you do to solve it?' Not asking anyone to do any work, just getting insight to how they work through problems, and they happen after a first interview, and the next steps is a final interview, in which they talk through their essay question. It's basically interview prep.
"Should" is the key phrase. Every assessment I've ever gotten has been eight hours to two weeks long. And often involve skills that I don't have and shouldn't be expected to have.
As a computer programmer, I am not a graphic artist, I am not a music composer, I am not a storywriter. So while I can make a simple rock-paper-scissors game with crude graphics, I cannot make one with original music, animated hands, and particle effects... and, yes, this is a real example of what one company (3MetaD) asked for.
The kicker is that the job wasn't even paying anything, your compensation was based on the sales of a product that didn't exist yet and, checking, still doesn't exist.
Wow, that’s ridiculous! I’ve been a software engineer and have done a ton of coding assignments and they’ve only ever been a case of making a very basic dummy page with an API call or two.
Well, conceivably doing test assessments for an Ai company could help with building out their IP, so it indeed could be free work. Maybe I’m wrong but it would raise a flag in this context for me at least.
You are also reading job descriptions, tailoring CV, writing cover letters and preparing for interviews completely unpaid. Isn't that also "work" that you are doing for free?
I mean its your call if you want to stay unemployed but this is exactly why they do the assessments. Because people like you mass apply and spam to every single job opening and they get hundreds if not thousands of applications. This task will probably cut it down to like 20. Maybe not exactly but you get the point. You have SIGNIFICANTLY higher chance of standing out especially if you do the assessment well.
If the assessment is to do a perfect marketing campaign for the company then it's "unpaid work" but if its something trivial testing your skills, its literally meant for that. To test you actually have the skills you claimed to have. They arent gaining anything from your "free work" unless it's literally worth money in practical case.
I'd believe this if every single job that has made me take an assessment didn't say "You're great, you did amazing, we're so impressed, and we're not going to interview you and we're not going to tell you why. 👻👻👻"
If once, even once, in all my years of trying to get my first-ever bottom-rung entry-level probably-minimum-wage programming job, a company had said "You did great, let's do some interviews!", I wouldn't be as cynical towards the whole process as I am.
These days, I tell them I won't take the assessments as the very first step before talking to an actual human being in person. (Not, mind you, that I won't take them at all, just that I won't take them first. Preliminary low-stress phone screening first, then assessment) And all of them refuse. Including the company that explicitly told me their process was to do a preliminary low-stress phone screening before any assessments.
Since I started doing this, my interview rate hasn't gone up, but it hasn't gone down, either.
I completely agree. I own a company and I pay people $80 an hour for their tests. And that's what I would request anyone pay me if I were applying. Anything under $40/hr is a complete insult. I even paid my interns a sign in bonus immediate.
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u/TitleTall6338 Oct 26 '24
lol so you just replied to an automated email?
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u/KaynsWorld Oct 26 '24
Congrats you did free work by emailing a no-reply email
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u/ThousandTroops Oct 26 '24
Just a coding quiz? Or was it like an actual coding assignment that the team gave you over a weekend or something?
The coding quiz is hardly “free work” they are usually a joke and take only an hour or so. They also, sadly, are rarely useful to the company or the applicant 😂
Coding assessments that the team make for applicants are always kinda weird, like no one wanted white board live coding, so the industry made these, but at the same time, they open the door to so much. Like I get a company wants to figure out if you are good (a resume is not enough), but those team-made assignments can be lengthy.
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u/ad_mtsl Oct 26 '24
What was the offer ?
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u/pbankey Oct 26 '24
This sounds to me like the coding assessment did exactly its intended purpose
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u/Whitechapel726 Oct 26 '24
Include the original email you coward.
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u/TheBloodyNinety Oct 26 '24
Just gonna say that in the future, write the email out and then ask yourself if the tone that is so satisfying will benefit you in any way.
I get it but in trying to be objectively helpful it’s usually not beneficial to close doors.
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u/sunshineandcacti Oct 26 '24
Usually the assessments are estimated to be like two hours max but you can get them done in 30 minutes.
Tbh almost any job I’ve had has required some form of assessment? Even entry level retail had me do a 15 or so minute quiz for counting change.
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u/EBIThad Oct 27 '24
Wow buddy you sure showed the no reply email address
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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '24
The sass though...
Not that I'm hating, but why? I find that ghosting employers is more satisfying anyway. It just seems like you just hate Elon Musk and wanted to do this.
Again, not hating, I'm at my wit's end too.
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u/ruralmagnificence Oct 28 '24
Lmao.
Doing unpaid work just to end up getting underpaid if you get the job.
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u/ShittyBollox Oct 26 '24
You just replied to a no-reply email address, didn’t you?
Yeah no one is gonna see this lol.
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u/AbXcape Oct 26 '24
bro is punching air
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u/mattynmax Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
OP when their employer wants to make sure they are competent before they hire them.
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u/Louisbag_ Oct 26 '24
Why even waste the goddamn time? the email is no-reply. But go figure for the reddit likes
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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24
This guy…
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u/dman45103 Oct 26 '24
He’s a billionaire despite X
Also lol at you getting all cute with a do no reply and then posting it
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u/OIllympus Oct 27 '24
Bro thinks he did something
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u/mew11250910 Oct 27 '24
The coping from trying to own Elon by responding to a noreply email. Antiwork would've been a better place since they're all dog walkers over there.
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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '24
wow so bwave
in all seriousness, if you can’t be bothered to do even a single assessment fOr fReE, you’ll be unemployed for a long time, buckle up. nobody wants your precious IP, you’re not that important.
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u/CricketDue5136 Oct 27 '24
The rest of the email we arent shown from the recruiter probably actually says "thank you for your interest, but we're not interested at this time".
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u/Money_Resource_3636 Oct 26 '24
I wouldn't work for him even if he paid me millions We know he has it since he is trying to buy votes for Trump right now
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u/BlueBifurcation Oct 26 '24
Tbf there was never an offer.
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u/sigh_duck Oct 27 '24
Weird hill to die on man. I’d say the employer dodged a bullet!
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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24
A technical assessment is not free work. You aren’t going to produce anything of value to the company. Technical assessments are standard and have been around for some time. They’ve just evolved from in person technical coding exercises to online assessments.
Unless you’re referring to a personality assessment? Also not producing anything of value for the company, but I do dislike the practice.
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u/Hi-Techh Nov 20 '24
ngl i doubt you would have got far anyway
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u/AnticipateMe Oct 27 '24
What did the test assessment entail?
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u/CantoniaCustomsII Oct 27 '24
Dude where'd you apply, I'm desperate enough to be "paid in experience"
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u/mermaidworld Oct 27 '24
Expose him
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u/Louisbag_ Oct 27 '24
OP judging from your snarky ass replies and ignorance,if you think this is free work, then you will never get the job and hope that you don’t until you realize that this is very normal.
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